Hawaii’s elevated rail hit by huge cost overruns, delays – and Penang wants elevated LRT?

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From an initial estimate of US$4.6bn to the current estimate of US$6.7bn (RM27.3bn) and counting – a huge cost overrun for Hawaii’s 20-mile (32.2km) elevated rail system.

The RM27.3bn price tag works out to a staggering RM847m/km and, when completed, it could be the most expensive transit system on a per capita basis in US history. And the Penang government wants an elevated LRT system.

The Penang state government’s project delivery partner, SRS Consortium, tells us that elevated LRT can be built in Penang for RM220m/km.

Penang and Hawaii have some similarities: never far from the sea, a tourist destination; a laid-back atmosphere (fast vanishing in Penang!); an almost similar population size with diverse cultural heritage; and a reliance on cars and to a less extent, buses.

So check out the New York Times’ list of concerns in a feature Hawaii struggles to keep rail project from becoming a boondoggle (white elephant):

KAPOLEI, Hawaii — From the start — when Honolulu officials began talking about building a 20-mile elevated train line near the southern coast of Oahu — there were concerns. How much would it cost? What would it do to the character of a state that has long celebrated its natural beauty and isolation? Can an island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean handle the kind of ambitious public works project one would associate with urban centers like Boston and New York?

The verdict?

“It’s a disaster. In my view, we are worse than how we expected,” said Panos D. Prevedouros, a professor of civil engineering at the University of Hawaii, who has twice run for mayor opposing the project. “We were saying at the beginning we would be lucky if it could be done for $6.4 billion, and people thought we were close to lunacy. We are sitting here today, and we are now computing about $7.1 billion cost.”

“We have become numb to these numbers,” Mr. Prevedouros said. “But it’s very dear for a small place like us, with only like 400,000 taxpayers.”

Over here… already, the figure for the Penang airport area to Komtar elevated LRT appears to have soared. Last year, press reports mentioned a figure of RM4.5bn for a 17.5km light rail route. But like Hawaii’s rising project estimates, the estimated cost mentioned these days for Penang’s 24km elevated LRT (phase 1) has jumped to RM6.2bn (including land acquisition costs). That works out to RM356m/km – or RM220m/km (excluding land acquisition costs).

In the video on Hawaii above, an expert recommends buses and trams along certain corridors for Hawaii as a viable alternative. That’s exactly what Penang’s initial consultants Halcrow (to whom the state government paid over RM3m) recommended.

For the 17.4km airport to Weld Quay route, Halcrow had recommended  a modern tram system – shared at street level along a certain stretch, with a segregated lane along another stretches and elevated along yet other stretches.

This is the Halcrow alignment:

Halcrow-tram-airport-to-Weld-Quay

This would have cost:
– RM40m/km for a 7.0km street-level stretch,
– RM50m/km for 3.7km of segregated lanes at street level, and
– RM80m/km for 6.7km elevated stretches,

So the bill for Penang works out to be around RM1bn. Too cheap for us-lah! (By comparison, the just completed Kaohsiung street-level light rail system, elevated along certain stretches, in Taiwan works out to RM90m/km.)

Enter SRS Consortium with their proposal for an elevated LRT for a cool RM6.2bn. How nice… so now we can reclaim more land…

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LGE tak boleh
LGE tak boleh
22 May 2016 6.31pm

Gamuda is the concessionaire for KESAS, LDP, SPRINT, SPLASH and SMART tunnel.

Why not SRS Consortium in which Gamuda is the leading partner proposed to be the concessionaire of the LRT? Because they see it is not financially viable to operate the LRT, hence choose to be paid from the sale of reclaimed land?

tunglang
22 May 2016 5.04pm

Dr Hilmi: We don’t need a third bridge https://sg.news.yahoo.com/dr-hilmi-dont-third-bridge-103104374.html BALIK PULAU: A proposed third bridge to replace the undersea tunnel is unnecessary as traffic flow on the second bridge is still low. Balik Pulau Member of Parliament, Datuk Seri Dr Hilmi Yahaya said the second bridge connecting Batu Maung on the island and Batu Kawan on the mainland was under-utilised as currently the bridge had only 40 per cent traffic volume. “We do not need a third bridge as the population of our state is low with approximately 700,000 people living on the island and one million on the mainland,”… Read more »

tunglang
23 May 2016 7.45am
Reply to  tunglang

Not even the sea tunnel which will cost more substantially than a bridge.
An accountant politician would have done his homework more carefully than to go Lone Ranger.

Didi & Friends
Didi & Friends
22 May 2016 11.21am

Penang Transport Master Plan, 1MDB Fiasco etc tend to irritate our minds such that many just feel Let It Be…
like this video says it all :

Tonight we want to re-energise our mind with true kung fu kick of Bruce Lee (+ many readers favourite Nora Miao) on 8TV (astro 708) at 10pm. Anil do tune in at least you get to know why Nora was and is still so famous with Penang Lang ! 🙂

Jive
Jive
23 May 2016 10.55am
Reply to  Anil Netto

Last night 10pm a tough decision whether to watch TV3’s Singh Is King or 8TV’s Fist of Fury. Ended watching the kung full kick also to take note of who Nora Miso is.
Bruce Lee a true legend!

gk ong
gk ong
23 May 2016 2.22pm
Reply to  Jive

Tonite is for local nusantara hero Sarjan Hassan 10pm on TV2.

tunglang
23 May 2016 10.12pm
Reply to  Anil Netto

Anil, here’s the lovely, innocent-looking Nora Miao of the 70s.
Bruce Lee and Nora Miao

Note: the 70s style of courting an innocent Chinese girl is very, very different from today’s.
Now, it’s the other way round!

David Loman
David Loman
24 May 2016 8.20am
Reply to  tunglang

Unfortunately in real life Bruce Lee succumbed to Betty Ting Pei and died on her bed.

zoro
zoro
20 May 2016 10.14pm

how about singland? no over run? more than 0.5M malaisi like pg lang work there
tech no logy transfer back to kg. maybe can potong cost

Monique OY
Monique OY
20 May 2016 7.41pm

What’s the point of achieving heritage status n u ve bridges all flying above you…

zoro
zoro
21 May 2016 8.55am
Reply to  Monique OY

you mean whole island is heritage zone include airport?

gk ong
gk ong
21 May 2016 12.39pm
Reply to  Monique OY

You should say heritage zones should not have motorised vehicles, only bicycles and trishaws.

Syamil
Syamil
21 May 2016 1.17pm
Reply to  Monique OY

You cannot make such comment if you drive car.
By definition of heritage there should be no car at all.

Jive
Jive
21 May 2016 10.24pm
Reply to  Syamil

Monique
LESS cars then no need new bridges all over.
Penang Forumers should pro less cars on island and most if their concerns can genuinely resolved!

David Loman
David Loman
22 May 2016 9.43am
Reply to  Syamil

What a potentially car-less suburb in Germany could look like:
http://www.fastcoexist.com/3059264/this-new-car-free-neighborhood-redesigns-suburbia

khalidkarim
20 May 2016 3.06pm

same modus operandi as in MRT…initially mooted as RM40B for 151km ie RM264m/km.Now it will be RM700m/km.Beware of PDPs..

zoro
zoro
20 May 2016 10.49pm
Reply to  khalidkarim

u mean this happen in klang valley mrt. federal gomen allow project delivery to make claims?

Monique OY
Monique OY
20 May 2016 3.37pm

We have a recalcitrant leader…

tunglang
20 May 2016 10.50pm
Reply to  Monique OY

Recalcitrant due to overt-worshipping that blinds the minds of worshippers.
Be prepared for knee-jerks from Jerks of Komtar Tower’s See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil of Reverent Niao Kong!!!

Syamil
Syamil
21 May 2016 1.18pm
Reply to  tunglang

You prefer Gerakan e a where time stood still with no development on the island?

tunglang
22 May 2016 5.02pm
Reply to  Syamil

You still worshipping (with joss sticks)?
Read properly what others have to say!

zoro
zoro
23 May 2016 9.45pm
Reply to  Syamil

syamil ~ no worries join your party of worshippers. oops not komtar but worshippers of gelakan. sori if worshippers are persecuted

zoro
zoro
21 May 2016 1.17pm
Reply to  Monique OY

worshippers are always persecuted by haters. no freedom to worship. persecutors 110% right. watch for karma

Johan Khun Pana
Johan Khun Pana
20 May 2016 3.12pm

Not related to the above topic .
Just want to say that http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/ is blocked and
sakmongkol.blogspot.com (ak47) is not accessible or removed.
What and where else i can read? Utusan?

David Loman
David Loman
20 May 2016 5.39pm

You can install this app on your iPhone/iPad:
https://news360.com/m/
Then set your preference for Malaysian news where those articles from the inaccessible sites are reproduced.