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Ric Francis

I would like to point out that my service are free as I do it as a public service on behalf of Lions Clubs of Penang. Only costs I receive is my Transport and accomadation.
Ric Francis

Ong Eu Soon

Read my full article on Penang Transit -Route Networking Visibility & TOD at http://eusoon.blogspot.com/2010/12/penang-transit-ridership-and-route.html

reflections

Hey, Eu Soon, it’s plain to all and sundry that no matter how many times you hijack Anil’s blog to promote your own website, few if any will bother to read your blog.

With your type of public behaviour, you cannot expect anyone to take you seriously.

Have some self-respect. Stop promoting your website here.

moo_t

Just skirmish your blog. Oh dear. There is plenties of info, but lack of clear idea and numbers. I see tons of jargon, but see nothing that make my eye pop. If you can’t build an simple sample model, with numbers to support it, I don’t see a reason that PTC should pay attention. E.g. When talk about the bus fleet, I will deploy open source Enterprise resource planning (ERP) system(ERP such as SAP are insane), enact SOP for each operations to maintain consistency , create feedback forms/mechanism for all crucial task and timed them. At the end of the… Read more »

Ric Francis

I agree as I am always available to speak at forums but just was not asked. As I have years of experience in Tramways and are well known in Penang,
I just sent to Chairman of Transport Forum the latest in Technical information which would solve the Heritage area as well as Airport service from Georgetown. To those who do not like overhead tramway wires this solves all that. Buses can not carry as many as 160 people, low floor transport disable friendly,fast LRT. LIKE 100 km an hour,
Ric Francis
Tramway Engineer
Vice-President Perth Electric Tramway

tunglang

The last time the they bought how many thousands of buses from China, utilised some but left 1,000 in the yard. That time, Penang was asking for more buses, but Rapid KL didn’t act on the request immediately. Imagine how the unused buses turn rusty and depreciated without the economic benefits of usage. What kind of … mentality are these goons running the public transport system. And to purchase these buses at the princely sum of RM500 millions is utterly flushing the taxpayers’ money down the drain. This time, they want to upgrade the transport system with ‘gaya’ without proper… Read more »

Ong Eu Soon

Public participation and consultation is important for monitoring the progress of any public related project in name of Competency, Accountability and Transparency.

Ong Eu Soon

Penang transit problem can only be solved by Penangites. Not foreigners will be able to provide you any solution. Zero KPI spent millions of ringgit engaging foreign consultant to draw up transport master plans for Penang. 4 plans in total, but none can see the light of the day. Why? Because whatever solutions listed in those plan are basically unrealistic without taking into consideration the federal state relationship, funding, and the route networking topology. Now LGe want to consolidate and recompile the 4 master plans. I just can’t wait for him to publish it. I can tell you without mistake… Read more »

kingkong

Ah Soon Khor

Agree with you that public participation and debate is required sop that ideas can be generated.

What surprise me is how you condemn the CHEAP Minister and how friendly he goes with the developer. But now you want our CHEAP Minister to be empat sekawan and kawan baik2 with the developers to built transit stations into their development due to Penang land constraints. Now “twist and shout” and rock and roll?

Inquisitive

Anil,

You got it right in your observation on this Ong Eu Soon’s manner. The way he shouted when he disagreed with other people viewpoints, came across as that of a thug.

Perhaps if he can be more civil, there will be no need for him to highlight his blog website whenever he writes on this blog.

Then perhaps more people will read his blog.

moo_t

wandererAUS : Shanghai method are pretty “urrggh , no thanks”, you never know how much their pour to build up the transport system,and they can’t tell you whether it is sustainable or not.

Sydney experience is possible because Australia not runs BN.

wandererAUS

Sorry, typo error..

…UMNO Melayu with “Ketuanan brains” to draw out a master plan!

Ong Eu Soon

You claimed that you are not racist. Why try to turn a transit issue into a racial issue?

wandererAUS

moo_t

Perhaps, I should have made myself clearer. I was thinking of International consultants with reputable credentials. Two cities have crossed my mind when I wrote my comments, Shanghai and Perth, where I reside. In shanghai it took them less than 3 years, the streets and the transport system were transformed. In Perth, in a smaller scale, we were able to have the train and bus combination system which runs efficiently.
Hey moo-t, why don’t you ask Gerakan K to approach some of the UMNO… with “Ketuanan brains” to draw out a master plan!

moo_t

wandererAUS : What kind of “public transport system specialists” you are talking about? Some incumbent in the public transport sector that have “years of experience” but failed to delivered? Planning bus route are NEVER rocket science. It is mix of vision, management,execution and social responsibilities. Malaysia so call “public transport system specialists” are only good “technicians”. Are Rapid Penang “specialist”? They just make me ROFL. A successful transport company, are NOT AFRAID to publish their cost, they will SHOUT it out : the cost/trips, cost/km, maintenance per/km, cost/bus, cost/passenger, fuel /bus. Which route is making more and why. Instead of… Read more »

wandererAUS

Lt me recall a popular saying, “Empty vessel makes the loudest noise!”
I rather be seen and not heard if I had a peabrain… What say you, Anil.

wandererAUS

It is pointless to have a Public transport in Penang forum without having knowledgeable public transport system specialists present. It appeared, we could hear only the voice of a “Smart ….” ….just good in shouting irrelevant remarks and contributing no solutions! Perhaps, We should have a look at how Hong Kong did it. Maybe, swallow our pride and pay specialist consultants to come out with several proposals before laying out to the public for debate…definitely, we do not need a loud mouth pain in the … to be part the team!!

Gerakan K

Everyday the politicians like LGE, LKS, etc talk talk talk and talk how to capture Putrajaya.

CAT lah. Middle Malaysia lah. Next GE lah. Whatever lah.

If all of you are serious enough,

just implement 6 sigma initiative in the public transport system.

Let the DMAIC data of 6 sigma available public and we know where the public transport sucks.

Bring in 6 sigma consultants in the forum next time.

Ong Eu Soon

What 6 sigma ? What is wrong with your head?

Gerakan K

Standard response from third world corporate managers or owners.

6 sigma is the way of work for world class corporation.

6 sigma is not for the people or organization that talk talk talk and talk only.

Mat Sempoi

Unfortunately those BN flers are the rejects from the 6-Sigma!!!

Ong Eu Soon

From the revelation of the forum, the Penang Bridge Express Shuttle Transit will turn out to be a big failure. Both RapidPenang and The state government still unable to comprehend the ideas of having a transit station that is as big as the Tapah Service and Rest areas of North South Expressway. The transit suppose to act as a drop off and pick up point, so that feeder buses can pick up commuters to ferry them to their destination in the fastest way. If the shuttle bus that ply across the bridge is used to send commuters to their respective… Read more »

kingkong

If you have land and transit stations but no UMNO FEDERAL Government Rapid buses coming, you as a developer will be building another Putrajaya white elephant. In many countries like Australia, the buses and land transport authority belongs to the state government. here we talk like the hen and duck because there are hens and ducks – State government to faciliate into transit stations but buses belong to UMNO Rapidbuses. To start, it is up to the bus companies to DEMAND what they want just as the public demands over head bridge or traffic crossings. Otherwise building but no UMNO… Read more »

Ong Eu Soon

Look at the massive traffic jam at Komtar. The drop off and pick up points at Komtar is an example of bad design. It is inadequate to cater for vehicles waiting to pick up passengers. Most private vehicles will simply park at the road side near the drop off and pick up points of Komtar. Vehicles will simply stop as the driver wish disregard for other. After the opening of 1st Avenue the problem become more acute. 1st Avenue is another example where the shopping mall fails to provide any drop off and pick up point, a bad example for… Read more »

Ong Eu Soon

Penang already have 200 new buses on the road. With another 200 on the way, will it solve the traffic woes? The answer is a clear and unmistakably NO! If a commuter don’t know how to make bus interchange in the most efficient and effective manner, bus ridership forever will not be able to improve significantly. If a commuter don’t know where to find a drop off and pick up point, no way will the commuters opt for public bus transit. If you don’t not have common sense, please don’t blame me for making fun out of you in the… Read more »

Ong Eu Soon

A hub-and-spoke distribution paradigm is a system of connections arranged like a chariot wheel, in which all traffic moves along spokes connected to the hub at the center. If you review the LRT system, it use a daisy chain distribution paradigm. It is a system of connections arranged in such a way that all traffic moves in serial from one transit station to another without a central hub. Drawbacks of hub-and-spoke distribution paradigm. Because the model is centralized, day-to-day operations may be relatively inflexible. Changes at the hub, or even in a single route, could have unexpected consequences throughout the… Read more »

kingkong

Ah Soon Khor Public Transport is not just solved by building Transit Station. It calls for holistic approach. Not only routes and facilities but also pricing, congestion and timing. Even in western country the government found that only POOR person uses the public transport and rich uses cars. If they want to use cars to pick up passengers in Komtar or Starhill or Pavilion Shopping, why must the public pay the rich UMNO/Gerakan for their comfort? In Sydney, one buys weekly travel and can make multi trips as much as he can. But in Perth one has to pay for… Read more »

Ong Eu Soon

The forum is a total disgrace for public transit advocates. It failed to address the fundamental question about interconnectivity. Penang bus transit system still using the old route networking topology which is a hub based with the jetty act as the one and only central hub since the 60s. Komtar only act as an additional transit station. In total, we only have 4 transit stations left. The other 2, one is at Sungai Nibong and the other at Balik Pulau after zero KPI dismantled all the other bus terminals. If you expect the bus system to run the way it… Read more »

Ong Eu Soon

Friend, I am not shouting at all,my voice volume already can deafen your ears. I never agree to go public to debate or to discuss public issues. As it always turn out to be manipulated by some stupid idiots. Why can’t the state government or Penang Forum provide a platform or venue to discuss public issues? If you can’t stand my writing, I don’t think you can stand when I speak out with a loud and clear voice. The only problem is that you have been shocked by my strong and commanding voice. In western world, the smart politicians in… Read more »

Ong Eu Soon

Even my writing is putting off a lot of people not a few people. The reason why I spoke in that manner is to force the partisan advocates to show their true colors. No matter how I spoke those sycophant supporters and advocates will refuse to listen when they contribute nothing except making noise on irrelevant issues.
Prior to 308 whenever I utter anything in the same manner I received loud applauds. As it is seem as anti-BN everyone seem to enjoy it. Why the different now?

kingkong

Anil

The main question who control the public transport and the decision. The FEDERAL GERAKAN/UMNO Government of the State Government. If it is the FEDERAL Government, then what does the State Government.

In Perth, Transit Stations only a few places like Fremantle Main railway Station. The trains stop along various stations but the bus are timed 5 minutes later so that the passengers just have to wait for a short time. Same as the return trip. Bus arrive a few minutes earlier. The bus stops are just outside the train station

kingkong

Ah Soon Khor It is still an idea. whether it works, it still depends on other human factors. Sinkapore LKY was asking a transport consult for the island transportation. This consultant suggested using BUSES only. But the Government went for MRT and they did it with good price like your price of $40M for the tramways because it was built during the recession. Anyway,LKY proposed the CBD and restricted area. there are your transit stations where people can park their cars outside the CBD to avoid paying to enter the CBD (restricted area) . Ah Soon Khor. What happen to… Read more »

moo_t

http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/capt2-2/Article/index_html

From the news, it seems the TRUTH is, a RENT SEEKING policies is needed to force ferries user to use water taxis, in order to make the services viable.

Oh dear, Malaysia federal government are never lack of such rent seeking s*cker.

moo_t

I am skeptic about the “water taxis”. Again, federal and the organisation that run the “water taxis” without feasible report. Nor with the water taxis investment and maintenance fees. It seems federal government keep pop up with all these idea of siphoning state money.

ColourBlind

A suggestion to add on the ‘water taxi’ idea although it is more of the tourism idea. I strongly feel that we should have a ‘cruise/boat-tour attraction’ around the island and also the Butterworth side. Not privately chartered tour or posh cruise ship type, but round-the-clock boat ride with drop on/off points at several jetties to allow tourists having full view of the island and across. Can borrow the idea from the Imperial Chengho Cruise in Singapore or something less posh but affordable. It is really a waste to rob tourists off the opportunity to see our beautiful island and… Read more »

moo_t

Imagine Penang is a big cooperate. How Penang going to move the people around with most cost effective and most efficient way. Penang government MUST constraint and exhaust rapid penang to the last detail and force them to thinks. Subsidies are only “variable adjustment” to the public transport system, it should not be the main incentive. thats why i suggest to scrutinize EVERY bit of details of rapid penang operation and cost. Any organisation that FAILED to provide the details, has a ignorance tendency in COST control. And it also lead to mis-management, wastage. Running a transport system is no… Read more »

Idris

We must move away from the notion that every household must buy car. BN has deprived us good public trasnportation as it want you to buy Proton to enrich the cronies!!!