ART: A better fit for Penang

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By Rosli Khan and Anil Netto

The population of Penang Island, standing at around 800,000, is simply too small to justify an elevated light rail transit (LRT) system, which is typically meant for cities with over three million people.

Even when factoring in the daily arrivals of business travellers and tourists at the airport, the demand is likely to fall short.

It doesn’t come close to the daily population of two million mentioned by Penang state executive councillor Zairil Khir Johari in his recent interview with Astro Awani. The population of the entire state, including vast parts of mainland Penang outside the LRT catchment pool, is just 1.7 million. Full article on Aliran website

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luca
luca
13 Jun 2024 2.55pm

Penang LRT thoroughly analysed – five reasons why the state government is all aboard the elevated LRT system.

https://thesun.my/opinion-news/penang-lrt-study-thoroughly-analysed-LB12571569

XiaoPeng
XiaoPeng
15 Jun 2024 10.13am
Reply to  luca

Need to hear from both sides ART vs LRT.
Penangites will be thankful for LRT once RON95 subsidy is removed down the road.

A Rakyat 8
16 Jun 2024 11.09am
Reply to  XiaoPeng

The opinion of Dr. Rosli Khan – Partner and Managing Director , MDS Traffic Planners & Consultants vs the opinion of Zairil khir johari – state exco for infrastrusture , transport and digital, Penang.

” Consider This: Penang LRT — Stay the Course or Switch Tracks? ”

Rani
Rani
19 Jun 2024 10.34am
Reply to  luca

Federal government pays for it. What’s there to complain?

luca
luca
11 Jun 2024 10.03pm

Simon Mohan, the singer of Indian ethnicity who used to sing in Chinese and even released an album in Mandarin in the 1990s, has passed away. RIP Simon.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2024/06/11/indian-crooner-of-chinese-songs-simon-mohan-dies

luca
luca
16 Jun 2024 8.52am

Container fish farm (Aqualita) in Tampines Singapore:
https://youtube.com/watch?si=0sLyB27CV9VRcq2V&v=uLQWPvy43z0&feature=youtu.be
It breeds Jade Perch, high in Omega-3 oil.

A Rakyat 8
20 Jun 2024 1.33pm

“Malaysia stands firm against pressure on China ties: Anwar” By Qistina Sallehuddin dd June 20, 2024 @ 1:04pm

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2024/06/1065946/malaysia-stands-firm-against-pressure-china-ties-anwar

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Yes, all this is good. And they will cement this with the below. DAP, MCA and Gerakan do not have to lift a finger. How nIce.

“Malaysia, China to jointly nominate lion dance for Unesco Cultural Heritage List” dd Wednesday, 19 Jun 2024 7:13 PM MYT

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2024/06/19/malaysia-china-to-jointly-nominate-lion-dance-for-unesco-cultural-heritage-list/140508

A Rakyat 8
20 Jun 2024 1.33pm

Meantime, over at South China Sea, Philippines is the sole Asean country standing up and battling against the big bully. The other Asean countries, do they care?

” Chinese sailors wield sticks, axe in disputed sea clash with Philippines’
By AFP – June 20, 2024 @ 12:45pm

https://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2024/06/1065934/chinese-sailors-wield-sticks-axe-disputed-sea-clash-philippines

A Rakyat 8
18 Jun 2024 9.13pm

“Recently, there have been numerous updates and water projects being implemented in the Southern districts of mainland Malaysia.”

Should read as ” the southern districts of mainland Penang”

A Rakyat 8
17 Jun 2024 7.17pm

“Perak-Penang water transfer scheme a priority for government, says Anwar” dd  16 Jun 2024 12:34PM https://www.thevibes.com/articles/news/102419/perak-penang-water-transfer-scheme-a-priority-for-government-says-anwar ======== Recently, there have been numerous updates and water projects being implemented in the Southern districts of mainland Malaysia. This sudden surge of attention towards resolving water issues in the area has raised questions – could it be due to the upcoming Sungai Bakap by-election?  The locals have been voicing their concerns about this issue for years but very little news on the progress if was any. This seems to be a typical Barisan Nasional election strategy, where important issues are only highlighted and implemented… Read more »

shriek
shriek
19 Jun 2024 6.11pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 8

RAYKAT – you are a senior as you claimed. you can have instant maggie, coffee but not water. You are real clueless about water supply. A scheme may cost thousands to millions.rm and take years to plan and construct. You happy if they build a big tangki or pumping station if front of your house or to evit you to build the pipeline?

A Rakyat 8
20 Jun 2024 1.43pm
Reply to  shriek

I definitely wouldn’t want you to be the MP or a State assembly man or both in my constitution or district. A man with a thousand excuses.

A Rakyat 8
17 Jun 2024 7.17pm

For example, the Penang PIA expansion project seems to be stagnant with no recent updates.

It appears that progress and updates only occurs when a member of parliament transitions followed by a call for a by-election, prompting state and federal authorities to come together and flood the Rakyat with information and implementation on whatever projects that otherwise seems, lost or forgotten.

Old BN habits are hard to change, isn’t it?

shriek
shriek
19 Jun 2024 6.13pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 8

Rakyat, you should be happy – no concrete jungle, noise and dust pollution

A Rakyat 8
16 Jun 2024 5.07pm

” Khalid says MCA, a loser should not fight for Kota Lama seat”   By FocusM dd  27 mins ago. https://focusmalaysia.my/khalid-says-mca-a-loser-should-not-fight-for-kota-lama-seat/ ======== Why is Amanah so worked up about? Why call MCA a loser? MCA’s education program and university provides education for thousands of young Malaysians, in addition to MCA’s other programs. Tell us Rakyat, what has Amanah done so far? If MCA wants to contest in Kota Lama, it is their prerogative. It is their money they will use to contest the seat, not Amanah’s money. If MCA loses, they will lose their own money. So, why is Amanah so bothered? Amanah… Read more »

shriek
shriek
19 Jun 2024 6.14pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 8

Rakyat 8 – Now talk about Kelantan and Chinatown kota lama – Isnt it senget or try again to justify yourself?

A Rakyat 8
16 Jun 2024 11.30am

“Anthony Loke: Cabinet agrees to approve development proposal for Penang Mutiara LRT Line project, set to begin this year”  By Anis Zalani dd Friday, 29 Mar 2024 3:40 PM MYT

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2024/03/29/anthony-loke-cabinet-agrees-to-approve-development-proposal-for-penang-mutiara-lrt-line-project-set-to-begin-this-year/126187

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Should the Penang Exco for Transport be giving statements to changes to LRT specifications since the LRT project has been taken over by the Federal government and has appointed MRT Corp as the project developer and asset owner.

“He also added that the government has appointed MRT Corp as the project developer and asset owner.”   What does this statement mean?

A Rakyat 8
15 Jun 2024 11.06am

“TNB’s landmark monopole transmission towers parallel with Penang Bridge to be completed in November” By Opalyn Mok dd Friday, 14 Jun 2024 3:02 PM MYT https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2024/06/14/tnbs-landmark-monopole-transmission-towers-parallel-with-penang-bridge-to-be-completed-in-november/139746 ======== ” The primary objective of this monopole transmission tower project is to strengthen the island’s power supply via overhead line transmission” >>> Island now propagated as an island of concrete, brick and mortar factories. To support these factories, have to bring in more and more foreign workers, have to build more dormitories to house them, have to divert precious clean water to factories until some parts of the state can’t get regular supply of clean water.  In addition,… Read more »

shriek
shriek
16 Jun 2024 7.26pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 8

rakyat – now from rain harvest, you senget to electricity. You very shiok now? You spend many hours on computer and internet? They dont need electricity to run? Why dont you install solar panels or wind mill in your house? BTW, they look very beautiful?

A Rakyat 8
18 Jun 2024 9.30pm
Reply to  shriek

Yes, I can senget from rainwater harvesting to renewable energy to transportation, etc etc etc. How is this a problem to you?

A Rakyat 8
15 Jun 2024 11.06am

Then go on to blame our Rakyat for water wastage and raise the water rates. 40% of the processed clean water goes to waste due to poor maintenance by water agencies. ( CAP silent on this but busy on targeted subsidies ) “It will boost foreign direct investments and the state’s economy,”  >>> What about the limited land and water? Maybe reclaim more land from the sea and beg for more water from neighboring states? Is it sustainable? For how long? “Once completed, the project will enhance the island’s power supply and is set to emerge as a new tourist attraction, adding vibrancy and a… Read more »

shriek
shriek
16 Jun 2024 7.33pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 8

Rakyat 8, you forgot you live in kampongs, slums and you have to line up in the public tap to get water. You also take bath there or enjoy the scene. Water consumption per head is low and every drop is precious at that time. The jamban is bucket with no flushing water. As we develop water consumption increases. Now you just pressed button … or push the handle …

A Rakyat 8
18 Jun 2024 9.34pm
Reply to  shriek

So, what are you trying to say? What is your point here?

shriek
shriek
20 Jun 2024 7.07pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 8

clueless? water consumption per person has gone up. every can fly and can have water for drinking, cooking, bathing, washing cars, clothes, flushing just with a push of button or turn the handle. when you are 80 years ago, if you are not rich, you have to do your job in a public tap and share with everyone

A Rakyat 8
12 Jun 2024 3.05pm

“Ramasamy comes to the defence of Penang state EXCO Zairil; ticks off Anthony Loke as “rude and abrasive”  https://focusmalaysia.my/ramasamy-comes-to-the-defence-of-penang-state-exco-zaril-ticks-off-anthony-loke-as-rude-and-abrasive/ ======== >>> Don’t see anything wrong with what MOT/Anthony Loke has said. He was being polite and was showing courtesy when he made the statement ( “The Penang exco, WITH DUE RESPECT, has no locus standi to announce the specifications of the project,”).    He was only right to say that the Penang exco does not have the authority or proper standing to announce any changes to the specifications of the project since the Federal government has taken over LRT project and has officially decided to… Read more »

shriek
shriek
14 Jun 2024 8.10pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 8

Rakyat 8, Who are the end users? Ministers, VIPs, Putrajaya residents? $$ comes from Ministers, VIPs? LRT is built where? In their homes? Who is clueless?

A Rakyat 8
16 Jun 2024 10.08am
Reply to  shriek

Clueless is you.

LRT was initiated during Ex CM time and was officially launched on August 12, 2017.

But now under the current CM, LRT is the under the control of MOF. How did that happen? Or, why did that happen? And what is Penang State role in the LRT project now? 

Believe, to avoid having contradictory statements and confusion, MOT told the local Exco to stop giving statement. What is wrong with that? 

shriek
shriek
17 Jun 2024 6.29pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 8

Rakyat who is clueless? Who initiate the LRT? Who hijack the project? Did Federal made a transport study in the first place? The state asked Federal to garantee the loan but refuse, Federal appointed HK MRT -why no tender and you cluess and no kbkb? Powers are all centralised. Why you keep quiet, clueless and dont ask Federal to take responsibility of Water Supply too? .

A Rakyat 8
12 Jun 2024 3.04pm

” Putrajaya, not state, will decide on Penang LRT, says Loke ”
Predeep Nambiar dd 11 Jun 2024, 03:40 PM

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2024/06/11/putrajaya-not-state-will-decide-on-penang-lrt-says-loke/

“Federal gov’t takes over Penang LRT Mutiara Line project from state gov’t – Anthony Loke”  
dd 2024-03-29

https://www.malaysiachinainsight.com/2024/03/29/federal-govt-takes-over-penang-lrt-mutiara-line-project-from-state-govt-anthony-loke/

shriek
shriek
16 Jun 2024 7.38pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 8

Rakyat, even you tear your attap house and build new one, there must be public consultation and display in the newspapers to see any objections. Even you remarried or newly married, the MC will ask any objection. You want to be Augustine – say everything is irrelevant?

A Rakyat 8
12 Jun 2024 1.41pm

” Penang’s LRT decision, the result of comprehensive evaluation ” by Joshua Woo ( assemblyman for Pulau Tikus and director of the Penang Infrastructure Corporation) dd 11 Jun 2024, 12:21 PM

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2024/06/11/penangs-lrt-decision-the-result-of-comprehensive-evaluation/

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A rebuttal on why the state wants to use LRT instead of ART and other rail modes of transport.

Meantime, MOT / AL has also informed ( sounded to ) the state that Penang LRT is federally owned, not state-owned. Therefore, any changes to the LRT project plan will be initiated by the federal government and not the state.

Additionally, I suppose funding must also be coming from the Federal government.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2024/05/29/penang-mrt-corp-explore-low-to-medium-capacity-lrt-system/

shriek
shriek
14 Jun 2024 8.14pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 8

KL MRT is how many Billions? Where federal gomen gets the $$$? It is easy for Federal to borrow than state. To pay, Malaysians all pay. If State, Penang Kias pays. Who is clueless?

A Rakyat 8
16 Jun 2024 11.57am
Reply to  shriek

Yes, all Malaysians pay.  But clueless along with gullible voters like you voted for this government. So, why this silly complain about them when they are doing their job which the clueless along with gullible voters want?

If Penang kias want to pay for it and want state to do the LRT project, why let Federal government take over the project? Are you clueless to understand this?

shriek
shriek
17 Jun 2024 6.33pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 8

Rakyat 8 you want to pay for it or not? You can initiate it. You gather and form a party.

A Rakyat 8
11 Jun 2024 7.02pm

“Putrajaya, not state, will decide on Penang LRT, says Loke” by Predeep Nambiar dd 11 Jun 2024, 03:40 PM

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2024/06/11/putrajaya-not-state-will-decide-on-penang-lrt-says-loke/

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>>> Question is, why is the federal and state government so hung up on using LRT for Penang state.  What is their reason?

 In Johor, they have decided to do away with LRT saying it is too expensive and are looking into ART .

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2024/05/07/official-johor-preparing-autonomous-transit-proposal-for-putrajaya/132899

shriek
shriek
14 Jun 2024 8.15pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 8

who is clueless? Penang is not Johor and Johor is not Penang.

luca
luca
16 Jun 2024 7.57am
Reply to  shriek

Johor’s Iskandar Malaysia Bus Rapid Transit (IMBRT) planned in 2016 has been cancelled as it is unable to tackle traffic congestion issues in Johor – about 25% or 13.79km of the IMBRT route had to be shared with other vehicles on the road.

shriek
shriek
17 Jun 2024 6.35pm
Reply to  luca

Iskandar is a new town – not jalan Terbau or Wong Ah Fook.

Mike
Mike
18 Jun 2024 11.20pm
Reply to  shriek

Shriek so familiar with JB’s Jln Wong Ah Fook. Must be going there to exchange Singapore dollar for Ringgit.
May be Shriek can give a guided tour for Rakyat at Ah Fook to appreciate the wonders there.

A Rakyat 8
20 Jun 2024 2.00pm
Reply to  Mike

Its alright, Mike. I can get a guided tour from YouTube. With Shriek guided tour and explanation, I might just get all confused and end up not knowing anything.

luca
luca
19 Jun 2024 8.05am
Reply to  shriek

Iskandar Johor has 5 flagship zones:
Flagship A: Johor Bahru City Center.
Flagship B : Nusajaya.
Flagship C : Western Gate Development.
Flagship D : Eastern Gate Development.
Flagship E : Senai – Skudai

Jln Tebrau and Wong Ah Food are in flagship zone A.

A Rakyat 8
16 Jun 2024 12.05pm
Reply to  shriek

Clueless comment ? Definitely, ” Penang is not Johor and Johor is not Penang”. But what has this got to do with the subject on hand ? Can you elaborate ?

A Rakyat 8
11 Jun 2024 7.01pm

>>> In Cyberjaya, they are also looking into ART transportation.

https://www.therakyatpost.com/news/malaysia/2021/09/02/cyberjaya-is-testing-new-art-line-could-it-be-the-future-of-malaysias-public-transport/

“Local governments in Johor Bahru and Kuching, Sarawak have also shown interest in the ART system, and it is also said to come recommended by the Transport Ministry’s Road Transport Department (JPJ) as a viable means of public transit.”

shriek
shriek
14 Jun 2024 8.18pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 8

Who is clueless as to what is LRT and ART? Same as rain harvesting. As harvesting, a container is required to hold what is harvested. Yet not willing to buy a tangki to contain the rainwater

A Rakyat 8
16 Jun 2024 1.09pm
Reply to  shriek

Clueless as usual. LRT and ART transportation, that is what we are discussing here, now…. Rain water harvesting already mentioned – better to factor in housing design. How difficult is that to do?

Know how to talk, talk talk only. Renewable energy already mentioned in 2008 in this blog, only now want to talk about implementing. That is how very slow this state is, in its thinking.

No.1 in cluelessly overdeveloping the tiny island, un-holistically.

shriek
shriek
18 Jun 2024 6.06pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 8

yes, they are transport. Bull cart and bechah orso transport. But you want something suitable for Penang. Penang is not Johor. Talking about bad appearance for mono pole. What about Solar panels, wind mills and foremost, you spend so much time on net that TNB has to relay cables to your house. Next and when you are going to bring out about portable power storage?