Penang Forum 5 proposed action plan

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This is the eight-point plan of action agreed by the Penang Forum steering committee and then presented to the Penang Forum 5 participants on 4 August 2012.

The plan of action was read out at the forum by Penang Forum steering committee member Lim Kah Cheng, a former MPPP Councillor.

(These are not resolutions adopted by the participants of Penang Forum 5, as erroneously reported in the media.)

  1. More dialogue with government agencies besides local authorities.
  2. Review Penang Structure Plan (SP) and Draft Local Plan(LP) as they are already dated.
  3. Review the high density policy.
  4. Stop new hillsite developments and improve mechanism to monitor existing ones.
  5. Hold more public consultations on major projects and review the procedure for objections
  6. Expand the composition of SPEAD and ensure the independence of consultants of impact assessments
  7. Resolve problems in maintenance of high rise buildings
  8. Call on state government to claim back control of reclaimed land, Penang port and ferry operations

Proposed Action Plan (.pdf file)

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Kometenmelodie

Anil,

Why “plan of action” instead of resolutions as usual ? Is this so not to upset the Cheap Minister ?

BTW, why sign petition to protets privatization of Penang Ports but no petition to stop hill-slopes development, selling of state land,mega projects, etc ???

Kometenmelodie

I hear a deafening silence…..

Buttock Brainy

It is serious to read Anil, but fun to read its comments…. penangites are funny lots.

tunglang

More like pasar malam!
Serious accusations, but also gila scream for substantiation!
Better dig my ears now, otherwise still ringing in the ears in the dead of silent night!

ong eu soon

Anil,
If you think that you have defeated me, you just defeat yourself. So you willing to die for a fool who will not give you a damn. I really don’t understand! If you find that I am a pain in your butt. Then I will stop visiting your blog, let you win and make sure lgE will not be defeated! What a fool!

ong eu soon

At 4.45pm, I sent you the following comment informed you about the mistake ong eu soon says: 9 August 2012 at 4.45pm Oop! Sorry! This project is also not inside the heritage enclave or buffer zone. Ignore this comment! At 7.13pm, you pretend that you didn’t know and posted the following comment: Anil Netto says: 9 August 2012 at 7.13pm Are you sure this is in the Unesco area? Anil, the principles that you hold dear now you throw it into the drain just because you take side protecting the stupid CM and ignore real issues affecting the people. You… Read more »

Gerakan K

Duh, anil = LGE !!!

We need recorded fact (eg AG report) in order to know the truth !!!

Moral of this issue: Never trust anyone even though he is your idol/demigod !!! Check the FACT !!!

Gerakan K

Anil maybe wanted to contest in Penang as ADUN or MP ??? I can’t think any reason for anil bias and exceptional ‘close one eye’ reporting towards DAP.

Hello, anil. Declare your intention now. Do you want to contest under DAP in Penang ???

Yang

GK, I think you are a lousy whistle blower just like the pornstar son accountant turn valuer. Checking to see whether Anil is DAP or PR so his blog will be censored. Wow that is a bad thing to do as Anil only wants the truth and to Let justice flow like a mighty river

Sze Tho

No one needs to do anything. You are pretty good at making a fool out of yourself….all on your own.

🙂

Ong Eu Soon

It seem like George Town’s heritage status may be in jeopardy again. With a 30 storey hospital and a 20 to 25 storeys low cost housing scheme coming up in the heritage enclave, no one seem to bother about the heritage listing any more. Property price in the heritage zone of George Town has gone up 5 fold as with the trends of Unesco World Heritage Sites. Now with delisting of heritage status, will the property bubble start to burst?

tunglang

It is way out of the designated core & buffer heritage zones. But that does not mean every bungalow worth preserving for its historical values is ripe for the raping aka Madam Pykett.

ong eu soon

Oop! Sorry! Mistake

ong eu soon

Anil,
you received my subsequent comment informing about the mistake and still purposely pretend you don’t know. Shame on you! Now your true color really show!

Sze Tho

Next time, check your facts before shooting off your big mouth. Habitually writing nonsense and belatedly apologising , yet you want to complain about others?

Ong Eu Soon

Is Lim Guan Eng going to compensate Victoria Specialist Hospital for scaling down the height as well? Or compensate the developer for abandoning the project? Lim Guan Eng suddenly transforming himself to be Santa Claus even before X’mas. He is not giving out gift but our money! Hundreds of millions of ringgit in compensation?

Ong Eu Soon

Lim Guan Eng’s new pet projec, a 30-storey building comprising six-storey hospital, five-storey car park and 19-storey hotel, located at Jalan Zainal Abidin. It seem like Lim Guan Eng is ready to do away with the heritage listing. How can you build a 30-storey building in the heritage enclave?

Yang

Ong Eu Soon,
I think you have gone out of your mind or just don`t know what you are talking. Is the areas around Zainal Abidin within the heritage enclave ???

ong eu soon

Oop. Sorry! Mistake

Sze Tho

Your posts are all filled with nonsense. Listening to a nut job like you would be the mistake.

🙂

bigjoe

Why nothing on the Evidence Act?

Ong Eu Soon

List of Low Cost Housing in the hall of shame SP Chelliah housing density: 1320 units/6.9 acres= 191 units per acre Halaman Kenaga housing density: 712 units/4.31 acres=165 units/acre Koay Jetty housing density: 2315 units/14.0 acres = 165.4 units/acre OR 2304 units/ 4 blocks) = 576 units/block Rifle Range flat’s density : 3888 units/41.2 acres = 94.37 units/acre OR 3888 units / 9 blocks = 432 units/block Macallum Street Ghaut density : 4500 units/ 60 acres = 75 units/acre Density is higher than usual – at 191 units/acre, compared with the MPPP’s normal density of 30 units/acre. Exceptional circumstances allowance… Read more »

tunglang

Ah Soon Kor. Being a poor or low middle income earner in Penang Island nowadays is not like 30 years ago. Inflation has caught up much faster than one can upgrade his income level. In order to live on the expensive island, one (mentioned above) has to downshift his lifestyle, has less material comforts/Bing Chui things, buy less senseless insurance policies & to live in simplicity. That way, the higher density & smaller units will be more acceptable since one own less luxury things & possibly no debts thro’ senseless financial commitments. This takes into account one has a job… Read more »

Super Senior

Seberang Prai is still PENANG.

if you find the island is too dense for your comfort, you can always choose to live in Prai and still call yourself a Penangite.

ong eu soon

Shame on all the journalists who can’t do a proper investigative reporting!

Sze Tho

Hehehe…..with all the ranting, you still don’t realise it.
You are the joke here Ah Soon. Please go get a life. You’re just getting more pathetic.

ong eu soon

This is mother of all jokes! Ha ha ha hee hee hee 😎

ong eu soon

I seriously suspect that the announcement by Lim Guan Eng that the state government has set aside a 2.8ha piece of land in Jalan S. P. Chelliah here for two affordable housing projects with a total of 1,320 units is an instinctive reaction without consulting any architect or engineer.

ong eu soon

It seem like Lim Guan Eng also very confuse about low cost flat with low medium cost flat. Guan Eng seem to be more interested in building low medium cost flat so that he can maximise profit for the state government!

ong eu soon

1,320 units of between 700sq ft and 1,000sq ft each in four blocks of 20 to 25 storeys at Jalan SP Chelliah. Oh my god! They forget about the height limit of heritage listing again! No wonder my calculation can’t squeeze into 5 storey height. What kind of stupidity is this? Still want to argu with me that Lim Guan Eng is the most incompetent CM we ever have? So are we going to compensate the developer for scaling down the low cost flats too?

ong eu soon

Oop! Sorry! This project is also not inside the heritage enclave or buffer zone. Ignore this comment!

ong eu soon

Read about Hong Kong’s High-Density Housing & Cramped Living Conditions at
http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/pictures/hong-kong-high-density-housing-cramped-living-conditions.html

So this what we want to emulate from Hong Kong!
Myth
High-density housing is affordable housing; affordable
housing is high-density housing.
Fact
Not all high density housing is affordable to low-income families. RM72,500 with the most outrageous density of 190 units per acre for low cost flat is hardly affordable at all.

Phua Kai Lit

Continuing to reclaim land when adverse climate change (global warming) is predicted to result in significant rise in sea levels does not make sense.

Better to make plans and take action to deal with the challenge of
rising sea levels.

tunglang

Who is listening?
Life is cheap in Penang Island & coastal Seberang Prai!
Just try driving along the coastal highway of FTZ during high tide to drive your car like wave surfing on the road!
So, someone is going to blame God or nature for this inevitable rise of sea level & living standard!

ong eu soon

Low Cost Housing: Who is a big fat liar? The revelations by the Auditor General (AG) in his 2010 Report that Lim Guan Eng’s administration failed to build even a single low-cost house since taking over the state government came as a huge shock to many Penangites and Malaysians. After the shocking revelations, Lim Guan Eng in denying the accusations that the Penang Pakatan Rakyat (PR) government has never launched affordable housing projects for the poor, revealing that a total of 11,596 medium- and low-cost units have been approved since 2008. Who is a big fat liar, find out for… Read more »

Sze Tho

hello, idiot. Penang built low cost housing THRU PDC, not directly.

ong eu soon

Brain damaged ah? Where on the statistic show which and which developers doing what? You forget to take your pil ah?

Sze Tho

Hello, pay attention. It has been answered many times during the state assembly and also thru the media. Are you selectively dumb and blind too?

All this recycled nonsense from you is to cover up your failure to prove your previous allegations .
Funny how you can be so loud and brave here, yet no courage to face the public and state gov at the forum, huh?

Cheapshot like you are only good for talking.

Ong Eu Soon

190 units per acre and you can’t build with higher plot ratio. You end up use all the land. At least in prison, you still have a big compound for green space. Pudu Prison has a land size of 22 acres. it was designed to house 600 inmates. The space per prison is 4046.86×22/600 or 148m2 compare to 7.0 m2 for the low cost housing project at Jalan SP Chelliah. I don’t have the data on the site coverage of Pudu Prison, assuming it is 70% , then the Pudu prison has 0.3×148 or 44.4 m2 of green space per… Read more »

kingkong

How can you equate prisoners and us? Where can prisoners go? Can they go here and there freely us? They go mad if confined to 4 hours but we can go anywhere. Those poor has to work more than 8 hours and transport must be convenient in order to spend less money and time. In the city, they have many places to window shop, cuci mata – Ah Lian, Aminahs, Ah Bengs to see. Prisoner not even a pin up.

ong eu soon

One of the reader who read my article on the big ghetto for low cost housing in the making, commented that even the jail is not so crowded and enjoyed better green space than the so called free man.

Kevin

Let us not exaggerate things to such an extent. Have you been to a prison before? If that commenter indeed feels that way he should invited to live there.

Yang

He likes to exaggerate otherwise he will go amuck again. Most probably he has and cell for himself only and do you know what it means. Hardcore.

ong eu soon

At the heart of George Town along Jalan SP Chelliah, the state government plans to build 4 blocks of low cost housing with total 1,320 units on a 6.9 acre plot of land. This give a development density of 1320/6.9 or 191 units per acre which is far beyond the maximum density of 87 unit per acre as planned by the authority. The World Health Organization (WHO), in its concern for public health, produced a document on the subject stating that every city should have a minimum of 9 m2 of green space per person. An optimal amount would sit… Read more »

Ong Eu Soon

The question here is you don’t even have the knowledge to do the calculation and analysis. Only after completed or highlighted by other will you know that something is wrong. One of the reason why I spend my effort on your blog is to educated certain readers of your blog who are influential enough to do something.

Sze Tho

Your calculations are based on a simplistic assumption. Parks and open spaces can be located on an adjacent plot. Not necessarily on every single acre, silly fellow. In urban areas and city centres, land values are sky high. Singapore and Hong Kong are prime examples. They have high density by building high. But they also have plenty of public parks, open spaces and landscaping in the vicinity. Only an idiot / bean counter like you will take it literally and calculate population vs space ratio and declare it as insufficient. Did you have the sense to consider the availability of… Read more »

Penang Kia

You say until you’re so good, just go talk directly to the state government. What for you 9 peh 9 bu here.

I just hope that the state government will turn Penang into a better city,

kingkong

WHO are just run by westerners with plenty of garden in their backside. Just look at Bangkok, HK and macau, how many greens do they have? By having people in the city, it brings LIFE and SOUL. Even transport and makan is convenient. Even Perth wanted trading on Sundays now. In Down Under Shops used to close at 5pm, half day on Saturdays and sunday – holi day. They are dead city after 5pm and it is even not safe to walk as there is no people at all. But now changes and local govenment wanted the city to be… Read more »

ong eu soon

RM72,500 is the starting price for the most outrageous density. This is the so called low cost housing scheme which is not affordable to the poor! Wonder who want to buy this low cost flat at this exorbitant price and density!

Sze Tho

72,000 is exorbitant to you? Which century are you from?
Or have you been stuck in a hole somewhere with no access to current affairs.

Cement prices, steel, labour costs have risen steadily and will continue to do so. Not to mention the cost of land!

Who is going to build and sell houses for less than that? Are you going to provide huge amounts of subsidies? And who is gonna foot the bill?

Please use your brain for once, Ah Soon. People are not gonna buy your nonsense anymore.

Yang

Ong is still living in the 60s

Sze Tho

Ah Soon, It is truly amazing how you can pluck a snippet from WHO guidelines and run amok with it. Idiot.

Open spaces, parks need not be right in situ. It would suffice if they are parks or open spaces within a short walk.

For someone who claims to be smart, you can’t see beyond your own narrow interpretation?

Lord Jim

After the excellent Penang Forum Proposal, we shall have a Malaysia Forum to create awareness and implement action plans towards : 1) inept, impotent, incompetent and impossibly regime-biased as ever Umno/BN-owned or dominated mainstream media. 2) the 1st quarter of 2012 recorded a RM470 billion debt – highest in the nations’ history. 3) Irresponsible and inept fiscal spending, hefty leakage in government spending due to rampant corruption, cronyism and wasteful spending. 4) RM325 billions of hard-earned Petronas money was used by the government since 2007 and this is an annual average of about RM81 billion. The people are not informed… Read more »

Gerakan K

Oh I see, Penang Forum is Anti-BN movement according to your interpretation ???

Yang

Penang Forum is not anti BN. Its for the people to speak out the truth. You can do it there but with your lies and deceit you know you will be p…ed off just like that tow truck woman.

Sze Tho

You are a slow learner as usual. Read the post again if you can’t comprehend lah, kawan.

Gerakan K

BODOH !!! BODOH !!! BODOH !!! Stupid !!! Stupid !!! Stupid !!! DUN Penang sudah nak dibubarkan beberapa bulan lagi. Apa yang disebut dalam perhimpunan ini hanya berfungsi sebagai CHEAP PUBLICITY !!! Sila menang dan jadi gomen dulu baru nak sebut apa-apa rancangan masa depan !!! Lagipun perkara yang disebut hanya omong-omong kosong dan tidak mungkin boleh menjadi kenyataan. Ini serupa dengan janji Kg Buah Pala (musnah akhirnya), janji negara kebajikan (menjadi PAS hudud akhirnya), tol percuma, degree percuma dan lain-lain lagi !!! Janji-janji forum yang terdahulu sudah ditunaikan kah ??? Sila jangan tipu diri sendiri. PAS Hudud sudah semakin… Read more »

Andrew I
Yang

Ya GK betul betul bodoh dan mana bola MCA, Gelakan MIC

Andrew I

Di dalam sungai.

Yang

Yes now we know who are the real stupid guy. Not just stupid but also boo hoot. Ah Cheap Kor can chose the GE when he like so can LGE/Khalid PR. Its no more like before when you can do what you like. PR is ready for the GE anytime unlike the boo hood PM who keep on postponing and … buy off the people.. A moronic comments from GK or a moron always in a denial mode when the PR has a consensus and repeatedly saying that there will be no hudud. Even if there is one, it is… Read more »

Gerakan K

Young: “And worst still they may team up with extremist to implement Hudud for ALL”

Who is that extremist ??? I’m glad that you have admitted P*S is extremist.

Come on guys, deep in your heart you know who is the real extremist. Don’t just because ABU you have to accept pas hudud.

That is stupid move. After ABU you will have ABPH (anything but pas hudud)

You cannot cure illness with poison because you will end up will more cancers !!!

Wakeup Yang, join me support BN for hududless Malaysia !!!

Andrew I

Join you to become hootless? Where is your sex legend? Everyone knows he has hoot except when it comes to denying he is a closet hudud supporter.

Then he goes around challenging DAP to state their stance on hudud. What a joke.

Join us and support Pakatan for a fairer and moral Malaysia.

Yang

GK. You have always been a … twister just like the pornstar and his son, and naturally including AMMO and Cheap Kor. Since when did I say PAS was an extremist. Dont jump to conclusion. LIAR. PAS has concern for the non Muslim thats why they advocate hudud for Muslim only UMNO wanted hudud for Non Muslim. It show that they have no concern for the Non Muslim welfare except to continue to stay in power by whatever means. With AMMO BN now showing 513 film, thuggery and violence and inciting racist comments. These are the traits from BN &… Read more »

Lord Jim

Greed, self-interest and the lack of a sense of responsibility and duty, abuse of the judiciary, the civil service, the police and for the blatant use of race and religion for political gains, Umnoputras have become a corrupt, arrogant and irresponsible dominant group which thinks itself entitled to political power – political power that they then use and abuse for personal gain at the expense of our nation and to the detriment of our people. We see the spectacles of Umnoputras & sidekicks arrogantly striding down the corridors of power within Putrajaya busy in their deal-making to secure projects to… Read more »

Lord Jim

1 point action plan from Malaysian Forum : Get Rid of BN !

tan tanjong bungah

Hi semua, Hudud sama ada ala Pas atau ala UMNO mestilah dipersetujui oleh sekurang-kurangnya 2/3 ahli parlimen supaya dapat diluluskan sebarang pindaan artikel perlembagaan negara! Jika betul-betul itu dapat dilakukan, sama ada suka tak suka, ini ialah cara demokrasi berparlimen! Perkara pokok bagi pengundi menimbangkan ialah antara Hudud Pas bagi muslim sahaja ATAU Hudud UMNO Baru bagi semua orang, tak kira agama, dalam Malaysia! Jika orang bukan Islam juga tertakluk kepada hudud Islam ala UMNO Baru, saya hairan sebabnya Gerakan, MCA, PPP, komponen parti BN yang lain, MEMBISU sahaja, tak buat sebarang bantahan tentang niat UMNO Baru itu!! “Biar MACC… Read more »

Sze Tho

In all likelihood , PR will retain Penang and LGE will have 2nd term as CM.

So Gk, time to wake up and smell the coffee. Siapa yg bodoh sekarang?