Malaysia’s stagnant population: This changes everything!

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A major new item broke recently with little public comment: The population of a couple of key Malaysian cities is declining while the national population is plateauing. This trend will have a profound impact on development planning.

The Department of Statistics tells us that the total population of Malaysia in 2022 inched up to 32.7 million from 32.6 million in 2021, for an annual population growth of only 0.2%. It pins the blame for the decline in population growth rate on the “the lower number of non-citizens from 2.6 million (2021) to 2.4 million (2022)”.

That masks the key factor behind this falling growth rate: the total fertility rate in Malaysia has plunged from 6.7 births per woman in her lifetime in 1957 to just 1.7 in 2021 – below the population replacement rate of 2.1. Full article on Aliran website

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Shriek
Shriek
10 Jan 2023 11.03am

Al pha 888, Population decline due to MCA Dumno. Very difficult to become rakyat until you are few more year to see your maker. Orso mother with overseas father has no right as her children born cannot become one. Recently one with African father because of misbehave have difficulties to extend his visa.

Shriek
Shriek
6 Jan 2023 8.13pm

All pha 888, why the population is declining? Under MCA Dumno, people are moving south and increase in the last 10 years

luca
luca
8 Jan 2023 1.50pm
Reply to  Shriek

Go to any ‘New Village’ today you will think it is ‘Old Age/Senior Village’ as the young ones have mostly headed south to earn $S. Young resources not economically active in Malaysia but contributing to CPF not EPF.

Yoges
Yoges
16 Jan 2023 4.48pm
Reply to  luca

Michelle Yeo became famous in Hong Kong and USA, not with Finas support. Now Malaysia is trying the claim credit for her Golden Globe success?

PCH
PCH
16 Jan 2023 9.55pm
Reply to  Shriek

Dismantle the cronied food cartels.
Also grow more edible food in sunny tropical almost natural disaster free Bolehland.
Reduce the supply chain from sources to end users (get rid of cartels of middlemen)

Brocky
Brocky
7 Jan 2023 3.43pm

B40 could not cope with high cost of living. What’s the point have having more population if the B40 continues to have many children at the expense of better quality of life?

Derga
Derga
8 Jan 2023 10.41am
Reply to  Brocky

Last time long ago B40 lived in rural area working on agricultural sector needing big family members to provide manual labour. Today B40 in urban area working for meagre salary yet still producing many offsprings (mostly received little education) that would grow up the repeat the vicious cycle.

luca
luca
8 Jan 2023 1.56pm
Reply to  Derga

B40 and their big family members provides votes in exchange for subsidies and handouts. The less educated and the poorer they are, the easier to manipulate them for votes. Politicians have been capitalising on this – sad but true – feeding them with ‘subsidy opium’ in the name of bantuan Rakyat.

Shriek
Shriek
11 Jan 2023 6.14pm

Al pha 888, Even your MCA tai lo in I poh send her daughter over the sea and gain frame in winning the the best acting award in emas dunia. Not only drop in population but orso in talents and skills

luca
luca
8 Jan 2023 12.44pm

Population stagnant but property development will never be stagnant to sustain cash flow else companies may go bust. Simple business reality, just wait for massive property advertisements and fairs closer to Chinese New Year.

To adapt to this reality, one must think of how to improve income via skills upgrading for better paying jobs, or venture into business as YouTuber or influencer. Kpkb is not a solution.

Ong Goo Kang
Ong Goo Kang
6 Jan 2023 6.18pm

The statistics are to justify import of more foreign workers.

No need to have high population, more important to have quality and productive workforce.

But Malaysia want big population to boost home consumption and GDP?

Yoges
Yoges
7 Jan 2023 11.19am
Reply to  Ong Goo Kang

To have quality workforce must remove irrelevant outdated courses and the corresponding professors from local universities. Promote TVET education for skills upgrading relevant to industry. Ensure meritocracy in admission criteria to prevent further brain drain to Singapore.

Derga
Derga
8 Jan 2023 10.38am
Reply to  Yoges

Young brain drain, yet the failure of Talentcorp is giving big money to bring home Old retiring age obsolete talents home with big money. Wrong approach the new government must address.

PanTaDuDu
PanTaDuDu
9 Jan 2023 12.59pm
Reply to  Derga

Talent Corp is unbridled idiocy in action.

One the one hand, you keep nourishing racist and bigoted policies and actions which continually drive away talent and simultaneously spend billions trying to get them back.

In other words, spook non-Malays and non-Muslims by denying them job and educational opportunities and then use public funds by the billions to ostensibly seek their return.

glissantia
glissantia
10 Jan 2023 3.11pm
Reply to  PanTaDuDu

No one in power has admitted or wants to admit to apartheid, let alone begin undoing it. That is the root cause of brain drain, incompetence, plunder, insane hatred, etc.

PanTaDuDu
PanTaDuDu
15 Jan 2023 9.22am
Reply to  glissantia

That is why ICERD is not recognised?
Probably so.

Sreedevi
Sreedevi
21 Jan 2023 4.32pm
Reply to  glissantia

I got good results but cannot get into the course I want in local university. MIC could not help me. So I have got no choice but study in NUS in Singapore. Today I am thankful that I made the switch. Do not let circumstances dictate your destiny. As a PR of Singapore, I am now drawing good salary and exchange rate to help my family who are still living in Penang. Unfortunately my two bright children will likely be Singaporeans when turn 18.

Payakan
Payakan
28 Jan 2023 12.02pm
Reply to  Yoges

Youth & Sports Minister Hannah Yeoh has urged the government to restructure the TVET programme under one ministry to avoid wastage and duplication.

Hopefully such move could remove manpower redundancy to save taxpayers’ money.

luca
luca
9 Jan 2023 7.05pm
Reply to  Ong Goo Kang

The Sad Story Of Malaysia’s Affirmative Action

https://youtube.com/watch?v=JdMHCiHnbss&feature=youtu.be

True story told to me by my Malaysian Chinese friend. He was working in Singapore and needed to renew his Malaysian passport at the Malaysian High Commission in Singapore. He saw a long snaking queue and asked the last person in the queue is this the queue for the passport renewal. The person said no, this is the queue for the renunciation of citizenship.

PanTaDuDu
PanTaDuDu
13 Jan 2023 8.58am
Reply to  luca

Institutionalised Discrimination, Racism & Religious Bigotry are the key factors that our talent is leaving. The opportunities are not equal for all citizens.

A Rakyat 88
15 Jan 2023 6.16pm
Reply to  PanTaDuDu

So, is the current PH Unity government that you people voted for, going to do anything about what you are saying? Until now even the prices of foodstuff haven’t come down yet. Just giving out ‘sweet feel good’ empty statements only. Has there been any practical action taken so far ?

Shriek
Shriek
18 Jan 2023 7.20pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 88

All pha 888. You KbKb again? You don’t see travel free on Plus low way during CNY? …

shriek
shriek
19 Jan 2023 7.37pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 88

al pha 888. your BN and PN has accumulate 1.2T debt. You need not to pay but peole like us has to bear this debt. The nons have no discounts and yet bear the higher share of debts

Payakan
Payakan
24 Jan 2023 10.54pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 88
A Rakyat 88
26 Jan 2023 3.10pm
Reply to  Payakan

Exactly! But durian tree for shade shriek says ah kbkb. His unity govt leader has come out with the concept of ‘Madani’ which also goes against racialism.

Does any of his ministers know what it means. He also has just said that his present ministers are better then the previous govt ministers. If it is so, how can this type of things happen.

Payakan
Payakan
28 Jan 2023 12.09pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 88

JOHOR BARU, Jan 17 — Johor Crown Prince Tunku Ismail Sultan Ibrahim has prohibited all the state’s suraus and mosques from being used to spread political dakyah (propaganda) and discourse.

https://www.malaymail.com/amp/news/malaysia/2023/01/17/official-tmj-bans-political-discourse-in-all-suraus-mosques-in-johor/50731

Payakan
Payakan
28 Jan 2023 12.06pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 88

The government heard your concern.

‘Menu Rahmah’ akan diperkenalkan oleh kerajaan dengan menawarkan hidangan makanan pada harga RM5 dan ke bawah khusus untuk golongan miskin tegar tidak lama lagi.

Maybe Hock Chai could soon review ‘Menu Rahmah’ in his YouTube channel?

PCH
PCH
8 Jan 2023 8.31am

Need quality not quantity for population

Already 75 percent population not paying taxes due to low income reason. The more the merrier to sustain the livelihood provided Malaysia can continue to have Petronas subsidy that does not run dry.

PanTaDuDu
PanTaDuDu
9 Jan 2023 12.46am
Reply to  PCH

Should worry about quality of population, not how stagnant it will be. Wrong focus leads to wrong policy in human resource planning.

enid
enid
19 Jan 2023 4.12pm

Need paradigm change in thinking.

Why not emulate Scandinavian countries with low population density focusing on value add? Those working on 3D jobs there get good salary for their skills, even though most such jobs are automated.

PCH
PCH
8 Jan 2023 6.27pm

Stagnant economy (or income) is far worst than stagnant population.

No point having big size family unless with big income for quality lifestyles. Nowadays young couples resort to family planning if permissible by their beliefs, and one kid or no kid is already a trend in city living.

Yoges
Yoges
7 Jan 2023 11.15am

London Move Act 1 is now playing out in Sabah in a bid to split Umno, weaken Zahid to withdraw BN from PH. Now true colours of Shafie is emerging (Jeff Ooi care to explain?), power hungry to be CM even willing to be back to PN since he did not get ministerial position in Unity government? [Is it] Very likely that Che Det is the Tok Dalang orchestrating the move? London Move will culminate on March 15 with a new government – MUM: Muafakat Ummah Melayu? comprising PAS, Bersatu, Umno (Hisham/Sabri) and minion Gerakan?

Derga
Derga
8 Jan 2023 10.43am
Reply to  Yoges

Anil need to keep us posted on the subsequent development of London Move. Funny to see PM9 showing picture of family trip to Legoland Dubai (why didn’t they go to Legoland Johor?), as many knew that Dubai is the flight transit point between London and KL. But it is enough to fool the kampung folks[?]

Surendran
Surendran
10 Jan 2023 12.06pm
Reply to  Yoges

Be careful of Warisan. Shafie could be handled by Tun Che Det in a bit to destabilise the unity government.

PanTaDuDu
PanTaDuDu
11 Jan 2023 12.25am
Reply to  Surendran

Che Det has the history of using others to achieve his personal agenda without them knowing it. LGE was a classic example.

A Rakyat 88
21 Jan 2023 4.00pm

Shriek Reply to A Rakyat 88 dd 20 Jan 2023 5.46am ” Al pha, the contract was well signed more than 5 years ago under your MCA transport minister? How to gostan? ” ======== Hallo shriek, jester of durian trees for shades, here are 2 links for you to read something about the Ding Dong ECRL project which the politicians have been kicking around like a football. What is the latest cost to the ECRL project? 1. ” WAS ECRL CALLED OFF TO ‘PUNISH’ NON-HARAPAN STATES, ASKS WEE ” dd Aug 23, 2018 9:25 AM https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/440012 2. ” ECRL TO PROCEED WITH… Read more »

PCH
PCH
8 Jan 2023 6.32pm

Nowadays young ladies prefer to maintain or sustain their waistlines so prefer to to bear too many kids.

Too costly now for childcare nowadays with high nutrient cost, education cost, car cost, home cost etc. Many senior uncles and aunties now realize to save up for retirement and cannot totally depend on children for monetary support.

Shriek
Shriek
10 Jan 2023 12.05am
Reply to  PCH

Dont be sexist. … how many men share in looking after their offspring. Men say they have to work. But women not only work but cook, wash and taking care of the house keeping it clean.

A Rakyat 88
24 Jan 2023 10.04pm
Reply to  Shriek

Hallo shriek, you have conveniently left out the taking care of children part. Who takes care of the children – the maid ?, the child care center ?, grandparents? – now considered too troublesome, send them to old folks home. 

Under others care and not the mothers (fathers out at work), will the children grow as wholesome adults? Is this how a modern day family suppose to be, function?

Sexist? You a women lib supporter, shriek? 

Brocky
Brocky
8 Jan 2023 1.06am

Newly crowned Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim revealed two days ago (Jan 4, 2023) that a jaw-dropping 6 million Covid-19 vaccine doses are left in stock after expired doses were destroyed because of poor demand. While the precise number of vaccine doses destroyed is unknown, it’s not rocket science that the remaining 6 million doses will soon face the same fate. While the previous two clueless and incompetent backdoor prime ministers – Muhyiddin Yassin and Ismail Sabri – are known for mishandling the pandemic, the latest revelation by PM Anwar shows there could be hanky-panky in the procurement of the vaccine.… Read more »

glissantia
glissantia
9 Jan 2023 1.21pm
Reply to  Brocky

4 million unused covid jabs in stock. Will expire by 2022-12. Health Ministry is trying to buy more for the “vulnerable”. -Khairy 2022-09-14

Does this mean the government bought the 6 million after Sept.?

PanTaDuDu
PanTaDuDu
15 Jan 2023 9.26am
Reply to  glissantia

Expiry date for Pfizer vaccinne extended til end of Jan, so there are people kiasi enough to take the 4th jab. In the first place ordered too much vaccines Khairy must explain the wastage.

luca
luca
17 Mar 2023 7.32am
Reply to  glissantia

The top management of Pharmaniaga Bhd must be held accountable after the pharmaceutical company fell under the Practice Note 17 (PN17) classification for financially distressed companies.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2023/03/01/heads-must-roll-over-pharmaniagas-pn17-classification-says-mp/

Pharmaniaga suffer a massive impairment due to hundreds of millions of ringgit of unsold vaccines stored in its warehouse.

Nandos
Nandos
9 Jan 2023 4.52pm
Reply to  Brocky

Need to implicate the wrongdoers if evidence is there before the coming state elections or PN will sweep many seats in Penang and Selangor, since it could have the cash to hand out freebies like petrol top up for motorbikes.

Yoges
Yoges
6 Jan 2023 6.37pm

One of the big surprises in GE15 was the realignment of rural Malay voters from BN towards PN. So people are curious whether this is a permanent realignment.

If the realignment proves to be permanent, he said, Umno would worry about its political future and may decide that its future lies with PN.

If Umno feels that being part of the Pakatan Harapan unity government damages its chances, the Malay leadership will look at whether they will stand a better chance with PN.

https://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/?p=223094

A Rakyat 88
28 Jan 2023 11.35pm

Payakan Reply to A Rakyat 88 dd 28 Jan 2023 12.06pm ” The government heard your concern.” ——– ” Govt to introduce Menu Rahmah for hardcore poor: Salahuddin ” dd 27 Jan 2023 5:00 PM https://www.thevibes.com/index.php/articles/news/84045/govt-to-introduce-menu-rahmah-for-hardcore-poor-salahuddin ======== To date, they do not know how to develop the economy, how to bring down the price of foodstuff, how are they going to implement, a plate of rice which will include chicken or fish and vegetables for under RM5. And is this price just for lunch or it includes each for breakfast and dinner also? Basic food just for lunch per person… Read more »

A Rakyat 88
23 Jan 2023 2.56pm

B1 == Royce Reply to A Rakyat 88 dd 19 Jan 2023 10.57am ” Obviously you do not understand …….” ======== Obviously, I don’t but thank you very much for the insight on rural Malays. It’s just that, your explanation did not say anything about the use of the word ‘spiritual’ which ah now notice being quite frequently used by some Muslims. My understanding so far is that, Muslims do not believe in spirits. The words spiritual, spiritualist and spiritualism comes from that word spirit. Has there been a change now or am I wrong in my understanding. Cont. to… Read more »

A Rakyat 88
23 Jan 2023 2.56pm

B2
==

Here is a latest news article where it describes a religious leader from PAS as a spiritual leader. Why is he given the title as a spiritual leader? What does it mean? What does he do? We humbly ask, can you please enlighten us on this, Royce?

========

“ULAMA COUNCIL CAN HELP DRAW UMNO CLOSER TO PAS, SAYS SPIRITUAL LEADER” by Anne Muhammad -January 19, 2023 9:00 AM

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2023/01/19/ulama-council-can-help-draw-umno-closer-to-pas-says-spiritual-leader/

End.

Miami
Miami
15 Jan 2023 6.55pm

Less babies born, more people die.
All over the world the same, mostly in countries highly injected with the gen mRNA injection experiment[?]

glissantia
glissantia
16 Jan 2023 1.04pm
Reply to  Miami

Also many other reasons. Food, water, household objects and chemicals including clothes, building and furniture srrfaces, motor traffic, rubbish dumps, factory effluents and work places all contain or emit harmful substances including those that undermine fertility.

~350,000 substances are in use. Even the most extensive databases cover only ~150,000. Only a third have been subjected to detailed toxicity studies. ~20,000 remain commercial secrets.

luca
luca
17 Jan 2023 12.55am
Reply to  glissantia

Some racial and racist remarks by certain politicians have even higher level of toxicity.

Yoges
Yoges
16 Jan 2023 4.50pm
Reply to  Miami

People also die due to flu every year before Covid. Now the blame on vaccine? People die on car accident, blame the car?

Royce
Royce
19 Jan 2023 10.53am
Reply to  Yoges

Malaysians lacking knowledge on statistics, easily deceived by politicians and ngos manipulating data to suit their agenda.

luca
luca
20 Jan 2023 9.24am
Reply to  Royce

Baby boomers are now coming to end of life. Everyday you notice famous celebrities passing on. Circle of life, with or without Covid or vaccine.

A Rakyat 88
20 Jan 2023 5.08pm
Reply to  Yoges

Blame the car ? In some cases, yes but in most cases blame the drivers. Most of them are not properly educated or mature enough in civility to drive cars.

glissantia
glissantia
11 Jan 2023 4.49pm

I doubt the plateau or even fall in population will change anything, especially reduce “development” for its own sake. The struggling majority never wanted from mega projects to date, and got little benefit from them.

PCH
PCH
9 Jan 2023 6.49pm

Proliferation of cronies is more damaging to the suffering rakyat. It is the root cause of stagnant economy, and we should not be sidelined by stagnant population.

https://youtu.be/HKf_4eE56uw

PCH
PCH
6 Jan 2023 11.32pm

NGOs to voice out concern about local plan will not work if the public are kept in the dark without participation from bottoms up ?

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2023/01/06/penangites-left-in-the-dark-over-local-plan-says-activist/

Harimau Tua
Harimau Tua
12 Jan 2023 10.38am
Reply to  PCH

Salma Khoo is now making noise on the demolition of one old bungalow in Penang.

Yoges
Yoges
16 Jan 2023 4.52pm
Reply to  Harimau Tua

Instead off complaining rich people demolishing their properties heritage or not, should focus on getting developers building affordable homes. But PF always have own agenda.

Shriek
Shriek
16 Jan 2023 8.05pm
Reply to  Harimau Tua

Who will pay for the repairs? After repairs who stay there and take care of it?

PCH
PCH
6 Jan 2023 6.14pm

Penang condominiums above RM350K are beyond the reach of young newly weds.

Better to rent around RM800-1K a month, no need to pay maintenance fee, municipal tax, quit rent.

PanTaDuDu
PanTaDuDu
9 Jan 2023 12.47am
Reply to  PCH

Another option besides renting is to stay with parents of in-laws – promote extended family concept, lower household expenditure.

Shriek
Shriek
10 Jan 2023 12.01am
Reply to  PanTaDuDu

Sink apor under LKY had suggested this last century. Now you want to talk about it? HDB allows all in family to have more rooms or units close by so that they can care for each other? Under MCA and Dumno we failed and become disunited and more color conscious

PanTaDuDu
PanTaDuDu
19 Jan 2023 12.58pm
Reply to  Shriek

Today spouses do not want to live with in-laws, different value systems usually bring conflict. Better to stay away, visit occasionally less opportunity for argument. I

Today no need home with big floor space once your children have grown up to set up own families in separate homes. Time to downgrade to smaller home, save money for retirement spending, no need to count on children support (chances are they are hardpressed financially themselves).

enid
enid
20 Jan 2023 12.49pm
Reply to  PanTaDuDu

In Japan aging hikikomori children have lifelong dependency on parents, this living together in same home.

https://japantoday.com/category/features/kuchikomi/aging-hikikomori-childrens-lifelong-dependency-on-parents

Could this trend be seen in Penang? Good thing no empty nest syndrome, but parents have little savings to enjoy twilight years like travelling overseas since they have to continue to support aging children ‘lying flat’.

Shriek
Shriek
9 Jan 2023 11.56pm
Reply to  PCH

Everything has increased prices. Workers orso want higher wages to offset daily needs. MCA opens universities so that like AA everyone can flies and everyone can has a degree. With a degree and paying high tutition fees, who wants to work as brick layers, plumber or harvesting oil palm?

PanTaDuDu
PanTaDuDu
11 Jan 2023 9.02am
Reply to  Shriek

Tony made you fly here fly there to cuti cuti Malaysia, Youbers encouraged you to eat here eat there, Shopee/Lazada/Wow lured you to buy this buy that, Grab Panda made you order food day in night out… today money spent easily no savings for old age. Lots of excuses cannot buy property, no asset to fall back on in twilight years!

Yellow
Yellow
5 Feb 2023 11.38am

“it is time to shift the focus from the ordinary Malaysians and our choices of attire and start observing our 1.2 million public servants working in public offices and their quality of services. Are the services even up to par?”

https://m.malaysiakini.com/columns/654021

A Rakyat 88
18 Jan 2023 6.37pm

A1 == Shriek Reply to A Rakyat 88 dd 16 Jan 2023 8.15pm ” Al pha 888, now you praise and quote little dot? ……… ” ======== Hallo shriek, please don’t get too excited that ah praised, sorry nope, actually compared to your little red dot, about some of their advancement. Ah merely stated the obvious, when your inexperienced state boys gloated about their unsustainable 3 mini islands being better the Marina Bay. Thousands of our local fisher folks are going to be displaced and Mother Nature ravaged. The little sundry help that your state are doing for them now will not… Read more »

Shriek
Shriek
20 Jan 2023 2.34pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 88

Al pha 888,;where you find Thousands of Fisheen in Penang? If you find Thousands I find millions of fishermen displaced by Little dot gomen when they combined all the little islands into bigger islands. Same with millions boat sampan people in HK all move to land.

A Rakyat 88
18 Jan 2023 6.36pm

A2 == What is the state going to do when these fisher folks come knocking on their door, asking for more help when not being able to sustain their livelihood in the future. Is the state going to chase them away or continue helping. What are they going do if this happens? Did not all these cross your inexperienced state boys minds, when they gloated about their unsustainable 3 mini islands ? Ours is a tiny little island, complete by itself, so instead of learning how to live with it, your inexperienced state boys are trying to choke it by shoving… Read more »

Shriek
Shriek
20 Jan 2023 2.37pm
Reply to  A Rakyat 88

What help when you gave to your low yau kei bechah men? They are your comtempories. Same your MCA cum Dumno help the poor nons?