Better, cheaper, faster alternatives to Penang tunnel and third bridge

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Penang Forum has just released this statement:

It is with great relief and validation that Penang Forum notes the wise and mature decision by the Penang state government to revise their plans for an undersea tunnel.

Besides the highly inflated pricing that we can ill afford now, the state has also mentioned environmental damage. 

Penang Forum would like to reiterate that these are only two of the many critical challenges posed by an undersea tunnel in this small channel.

Some others highlighted earlier but dismissed are:

  • the tunnel has to be engineered to great depth to achieve a useable waterway for shipping with a deep draft 
  • this greater depth will require a very long run on expensive land on both ends to attain a useable gradient
  • there will be continuous 24-hour electrical usage for lighting and air pumping
  • maintenance has to be continuous, meticulous, unfailing and top-notch. Unfortunatel,y we are notorious for our lack of upkeep 
  • dredging for the shipping lane above the tunnel will be necessary, continuous and very costly
  • the deplorable standards of Malaysian driving pose a real and grave danger within the tunnel 
  • the Penang public was told 10 years ago that the undersea tunnel, while very expensive and difficult, was necessary because any other kind of crossing required federal government approval which was not forthcoming. The entire idea should have been discarded in 2018 when this would not have been an issue

The public is now being thrown another ill-conceived and off-the-cuff alternative – a third bridge?

This has been quickly disputed as a ‘non-starter’ by port authorities as it would need to be at least 100 metres high – never before achieved – to allow high air-draft shipping to access the port. It will also endanger the operations of the RMAF air base at Teluk Air Tawar.  

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Much like the elevated light rail and other ill-advised transport plans, we urge the state to take advantage of low-hanging fruit. Better, Cheaper and Faster alternatives are available. Water transport in the form of a revitalised ferry and catamaran service for both vehicles and passengers would be highly viable. Trams and the automated rail rapid transit (ART) are being introduced in many cities, including those in Malaysia. Why is Penang still insisting on elevated highways and outdated systems like the elevated light rail transit?

The people are truly tired of being threatened with unending traffic jams and dire consequences if we choose to highlight problems posed by the Penang state government’s mega-projects.

Furthermore, this pandemic has brought about major changes in work and lifestyles, such as work-from-home, that have an impact on transport and mobility. These must be taken into account in transport and town planning, especially for mega-infrastructure projects.    

Let us use this opportunity to really plan for the betterment of the people of Penang. Not for big business, not for personal agendas and personal gains, not for the well-connected but for the people of Penang.

There are many Better, Cheaper, Faster alternatives. It is now time to tell us WHY these are NOT being considered seriously.  Penang Forum steering committee
1 October 2021

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Wyatt

sherik says ,”PASS orso helping you and Peng land forum to make Peng land sustainable with no development here and there. Good news to you? ” ——– Alive says, “service sectors, tourism, developing touristic areas / heritage sites” cannot appeal to foreign tourists if liquor ban is introduced once DAP fell to PN or BN under the influence of PAS.” ——– “US COMPANIES IN PENANG KEEN TO REINVEST, SAYS AMBASSADOR / Tuesday, 09 Nov 2021 05:21 PM MYT BY OPALYN MOK. “The companies in Penang, especially those in Batu Kawan, are very well taken care of, some have expressed positive enthusiasm… Read more »

Alive

Meanwhile PN has built a bridge as gateway for PAS to enter Sarawak.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2021/11/05/pas-to-clash-with-gps-in-11-sarawak-state-seats/

In future liquor ban in Kuching?

Wyatt

Having said that, Penang island should not be used for industrial and manufacturing development anymore. Penang island should from now on be used for certain service sectors, tourism, developing touristic areas / heritage sites and Penang port for cruise vessels on Penang side, more recreational areas/parks etc. etc. The Kulim airport, should it materialize, can be marketed to the manufacturing sector on the mainland as a choice and convenience. There are so many ways and things we can plan and do without mixing politics into it. The thinking will be clear. Apply politics as and when required only, just before… Read more »

Alive

“service sectors, tourism, developing touristic areas / heritage sites” cannot appeal to foreign tourists if liquor ban is introduced once DAP fell to PN or BN under the influence of PAS.

Wyatt

Please stop giving reasons such as ” means that you are criticizing the multinational companies (MNC) for investing in Penang, you are also criticizing the large local companies (LLC) and small-medium enterprises (SME) for expanding and up scaling to compete in the global market,”

You may not realize it, but its a little lame and immature. Your understanding of the situation is a little off. Sorry, but please do not misunderstand this as criticizing, for it is not, as this is simply a feedback for improvement in giving of proper reasons to public.

Wyatt

DON’T CRITICISE US FOR SELLING AS ITS FOR STATE’S INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, SAYS
PENANG CM / Friday, 05 Nov 2021 11:12 AM MYT / BY OPALYN MOK

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2021/11/05/dont-criticise-us-for-selling-lands-as-its-for-states-industrial-development/2018611

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CM, why would anyone want to complain about land sales or land usage if it is used for the right purpose or reason. Mainland has much land for current and future development for industrial and manufacturing sector, so it should be the area of focus for this purposes. Planning should also factor space for future expansion, transportation and recreation/parks etc. Yes, recreational facilities/parks are just as important as green planning.

Wyatt

CABOTAGE DEBATE : GUAN ENG SHOULD HANDLE THINGS PROFESSIONALLY. By MIKE CHONG YEW CHUAN
Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 12:10 AM MYT

“BAGAN MP Lim Guan Eng needs to stop with the provocative antics when dealing with national issues. As a statesman and senior party leader, he should strive to be professional and handle things with professionalism.”

https://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/letters/2021/10/21/cabotage-debate-guan-eng-should-handle-things-professionally

>>> The one word to describe his conduct is, ” CHILDISH” . Looks like everyone is getting to notice this. 

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(Alive – 18 Oct 2021 11.41am Cabotage Debate WKS Vs LGE on Nov 2, TV3?

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2021/10/18/lets-make-it-nov-2-says-ka-siong-of-cabotage-policy-debate-with-guan-eng/2014153)

Esme

Many have blamed the cabotage issue as one of the possible reasons why Facebook and Google do not include Malaysia for its upcoming submarine cable network projects in Southeast Asia such as Echo, Bifrost, and Apricot. Is this true?

Or the cabotage policy is to protect 51% bumiputera’s interest?

Wyatt

Simply Naiveness. What is the purpose of this debate on cabotage? If before there was no exemption, during PH governing, they gave the exemption because some people lobbied for it but PH is not the government now, LGE is no longer the finance minister, the current federal government has decided to withdraw the exemption. So, what is there to debate. Good or Bad, its their call and that should be all there is to it.

Wyatt

A clash of 2 small egos, one agitated, the other one irritated because of agitation. To settle, one must debate on national tv and agitate and irritate the nation.

Esme

Tuan Ibrahim also agitated the nation over Timah issue, instead of focusing on environmental matters of COP25.

https://www.themalaysianinsight.com/s/348435

Wyatt

Localized vs all encompassing minds or simply a mismatch in the posting.

Saidin

No use for him to be in COP26 in Glasgow if he cannot understand English!

Alive

DAP MP Dr Ong Kian Ming debunks Dr Wee’s “misleading” claims presented during live cabotage debate

https://soyacincau.com/2021/11/05/cabotage-ong-kian-ming-debunk-wee-ka-siong-debate-fact-check/

Mr Yoshio Sato who was referred to repeatedly by Dr Wee to back up his claims is no longer an employee of NTT and has left to set up a new Singapore-registered company called Orient Link Pte Ltd.

Wyatt

It don’t matter, the useless debate is over. When WKS brought up the challenge to debate LGE on the cabotage issue , LGE should have accepted it under one condition, that should WKS lose the debate, WKS should reinstate the cabotage exemption policy. LGE was not clever enough to do it, WKS knew it, both had their fun on national TV debating it and now, everything is back to square one. 

Alive
wyatt

GEORGE TOWN, Oct 13 — The Penang Fishermen’s Association (Pen Mutiara) has stressed that it has never supported the controversial Penang South Reclamation (PSR) project.

Pen Mutiara chairman Mahadi Md Rodzi said the 6,000-member association has always kept to its position in opposing the project to create three man-made islands off the southern coast of Penang island.

“Our position against the project has never changed since 2016 and each year, this decision is reaffirmed by all our members in our annual general meeting (AGM),” he said

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2021/10/13/we-still-dont-support-three-island-reclamation-project-says-penang-fisherme/2013117

shriek

Uncle Wyatt, will you be giving out free fishing nets and subsidised gas?

Esme

Fishermen gets monthly allowance and diesel subsidy from government. Our fishermen enjoy flexi working hours for work life balance (rilek culture). No stress unlike those operating fish farms with hugh capital outlay.

Saidin

Some are said to sell subsidied diesel to Thai fishermen!

Esme

NIBONG TEBAL: The Penang government plans to make the Paya Laut Education Centre, near here, an ecotourism attraction to boost the local economy.

State Environment and Welfare Committee chairman Phee Boon Poh said the 100-hectare mangrove forest has the potential to be promoted as a birdwatching area.

https://www.thesundaily.my/local/penang-plans-to-turn-paya-laut-education-centre-as-ecotourism-attraction-HD8489696

Alive

Penang is ready to welcome as many as 50,000 visitors this coming weekend now that state borders are open again?

Wyatt and Shriek please follow SOP as the influx of visitors may bring in Delta virus to the island.

shriek

With Covid, Business and rakyatsure die. With 50k visitors, business has a chance and those vaccinated has a better chance not sucumb to Covid

Alive

A tunnel-related casualty?

A prominent 53 years old property developer, believed to be linked to the Penang undersea tunnel project, has fallen to his death from his apartment in Pulau Tikus.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021/10/05/developer-in-fatal-fall-from-pulau-tikus-apartment

wyatt

Aye, after nine years plus even before the undersea tunnel is decided we already have a casualty. This is Bad Omen. Maybe the location is not Feng Shui positive. Maybe the Spirits of the North Channel are saying, do not disturb them. Better to scrap the Tomb of Doom and the Hanging Bridge. Besides, the GE15 is around the corner.

shriek

Uncle Wyatt, Peng land kias should be like you. Dont travel. dont use car or kapcai. Better still no need to cari makan. No need bridges, tunnels or ferries. Sit and relax with a schooner of Guinness – Good for you and with Fidel Castro ‘s cigar

wyatt

Two bridges are already there, ferries are also there, why do you need a undersea tunnel for ?

shriek

Uncle Wyatt. Why we have bicycle, kapchai, bone shaker, saloon cars, SVU, 4 wheel drive and buses as transport?

shriek

Uncle Wyatt. Really bad for saying something not true and as the deceased is not related to the undersea tunnel.

wyatt

NEVER-ENDING PENANG BRIDGE TOLLS —- BUT NOTHING FOR PENANG / 25 NOVEMBER 2011

https://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/the-bridges-of-penang-never-ending-tolls/

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Wyatt – The above article was written in November 2011 along with its comments before 2 general election. Has anything changed ?

shriek

written in 2011 and today is 2021. ten years ago. Uncle Wyatt, you are man of PAST or PASS?

wyatt

Look at it this way Shriek, The article is the past, we are the present but for the article we are future.

shriek

Uncle Wyatt, in what way we are future under keluarga malaysia? Third class. Where does the toll $$ goes? Why the toll always ahead of Peng land? Needs teh susu talk to ge par with Se lang or or KL?

wyatt

There are rich people, there are poor people and there are those who are neither rich nor poor. There are working people and there are jobless people etc.etc.etc. There are no 1st, 2nd, or 3rd class. There is Keluarga Malaysia and there is Keluarga Saya. You are who you make yourself out to be. Your future, of course is in your hands. As for the tolls n why, ask your godfathers. They were after all the Government of this nation for 24 months from May 9th 2018

wyatt

Since then not much has PASS, shriek. It will continue to be so until the State gov. declares that they wish to discontinue with the undersea tunnel or the 3rd bridge project. A foolish idea from the very beginning from a clueless State government.  

Well, here is a clue —

https://www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/living/2021/10/05/this-finnish-city-is-a-model-of-sustainability-low-waste-living-and-green-mobility

shriek

Uncle Wyatt, You should volunteer on the Transport Board. You can show them how KUAT you are. You follow the Star paper. You are very Kuat Uncle as you cycle and walk. Further you enjoy Guinness and Castro’s cuban cigar…. You should be telling Peng land kias and chabor way to good health and skin complex is to cycle and walk.
Peng land gomen is clueness and foolish building cycle lanes all over and only uncle Wyatt is the king of bicycle and walker – Johnnie Walker – yam seng

wyatt

No shriek, If Penang state needs a critic can volunteer. Green Tea –
Yam Seng with rolled chocolate biscuits good health not sure skin
complex. Cycle lanes all over island. Mainland ? Kedah will donate n volunteer to do it. Next in state assembly agenda n discussion.

shriek

Why bother about Kedah? Uncle Wyatt, you love Kedah as they are doing to divert Muda water into their land and you are waiting to drink teh susu?

Alive

Any news on Melaka Gateway and Melaka Waterfront Economic Zone mega projects? Any link to the current Melaka state crisis?

https://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/?p=211121

wyatt

Sorry Alive and hope in good health, all that of what you asked above is Melaka’s problem. Let them deal with it. Let us deal with our issues. Did you notice our Penang executive council member in charge of health Dr Norlela Arifin has changed the State incompetency in dealing with Covid 19 pandemic and the securing of the vaccine issue into a man bully woman thing.

shriek

Uncle Wyatt, she dont get peanut pay. She get her full pay and she is responsible for your heath too. You want to ask Niao Kong or Choe Mein to look after it?

Alive

Melaka election is coming.
Any comment? Bossku is making a comeback?

wyatt

 For 1 1/2 years they were unprepared for what was to come until it hit our shore. After the cases went up, not enough vaccine, PPV shut down and they were running around asking for public donation to buy equipments and whatnot.

How many MP’s and State Assembly Persons do we have in Penang. How many among them sacrificed their salaries or a portion of their salaries and time to help out in Penang’s covid-19 crises.

shriek

Uncle Wyatt. You oredi prepare for the case? Since you are prepared and they are not, it natural they ask you for donation. Now you are not keluarga Malaysia? Your $$ is kelurga $$$ Right as there is no differences?

shriek

Uncle Wyatt, If they are unprepared, then who is prepared? Are you prepared?

Alive

Be prepared for the return of Bossku

https://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/?p=211356

wyatt

They did receive their full salaries, perks n allowance during the MCO period, right? Or am I wrong?. How many of them got together n worked as a TEAM. Remember during the recent state assembly, they were pointing fingers at each other on this covid-19 debacle. And these are the people who are thinking of building an undersea tunnel.

https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/594620

shriek

Same with your head of keluarga Malaysia. As ministers or envoys, their pay and perks are more than excos, MPs. How many keluarga Malaysia work as team? Now they dont agree with Sink apor as they want $$ into their, they cancel the contract and had to pay penalties to Sink apor. These are the people think they are rich and can pay out from your taxes. Now they want to increase rakyat’s debt from 50% of GPD to 60%. Easy come and easy go.

Alive

PM9 obviously ignored Sabah and Sarawak governments when he lifted Interstate travel ban?