This is tragic. Reports of an MH plane crash in eastern Ukraine, near the border with Russia. The plane was believed to be carrying close to 300 people from Amsterdam to KL.
It is not clear if the plane was shot down. But a Ukrainian interior ministry adviser has accused separatists of shooting down the plane. He said the plane was cruising at an altitude of 33000 feet when it was shot down with a BUK launcher. But let’s not rule out other possibilities, as analysts have said this is something only a professional military force could undertake.
Accoring to Russia Today:
According to the Russian Defense Ministry information, units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine located in the crash-site are equipped with anti-aircraft missile systems of “Buk-M1” … These complexes in their tactical and technical characteristics are capable of detecting air targets at ranges of up to 160 kilometers and hit them at full altitude range at a distance of over 30 kilometers,” the ministry’s statement reads as cited by Ria.
A few questions arise:
Why was MH17 flying over a known warzone instead of staying well clear (though other commercial aircraft were also flying in the same area)?
Why fly over an area in which two Ukrainian aircraft had been shot down just days earlier? Was Malaysia Airlines trying to save fuel by using this flight path as some reports have suggested?
Was MH17 flying at a safe higher altitude?
What sort of warnings did Ukrainian aviation authorities issue before this?
Was MH17 on its usual route or did it divert from its usual flight path? CBS News reports that MH17’s fight path had deviated further north from its usual route.
It is not clear why it flew over eastern Ukraine, a region which the Ukrainian aviation authorities had closed to all commercial flights on 8 July.
Reuters, however, reports:
Malaysia Airlines said on Friday the flight route taken by an airliner that came down in Ukraine had been declared safe by the U.N. aviation arm, the International Civil Aviation Organisation.
It also said the International Air Transportation Association “had stated that the airspace the aircraft was traversing was not subject to restrictions”…
Meanwhile, check out this report from a Kiev English-language website, which has reproduced a tapped conversation purportedly between the a commander of the pro-Russian militants and Russian intelligence after the plane had been downed.
Our heartfelt condolences to the families of those who perished.
Is this the end of the road for Malaysia Airlines as a company?
Meanwhile, don’t take your eyes off the Israeli ground offensive in Gaza.
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Washington’s being accused of hiding the truth about the Malaysian plane crash in eastern Ukraine. Former US presidential candidate and congressman Ron Paul claims the government knows more than its letting on.
It’s still unclear exactly what caused the plane to crash killing all 298 on board. Russia was first to provide some evidence into what may have happened, but Kiev claimed Moscow’s satellite images were fabricated and released their own photos. Russia’s Defence Ministry now says Kiev’s evidence is fake.
MH17 incident has made people forgotten MH370?
Not really.
MH17 has raised a question why the US & its allies could track real-time the flight path of MH17 prior to disintegration in midair over Ukraine & the cause of explosion while MH370 was untraceable but a guessing game all the way to south Indian Ocean.
Someone must be lying big time, while others (supposed in the know) are keeping their radars’ mouth shut for fear of reprisals from you know who.
Big time murder.
You may want to review the strong arguments from these interesting youtube clips concerning the plane crash:
Exposed: The REAL Reason MH17 Was Shot Down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmQ_4pf9hV8
Flight MH17 – What You’re Not Being Told
Malaysia Airlines was struggling even before those disasters and some are wondering whether it can survive. Ron Bartsch, Chairman of AvLaw International, an international aviation safety consultancy firm, says its future depends on the Malaysian government, in this BBC report:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U14JnydhTH8
What do readers of Anil think?
Should BN pour more money to sustain MAS?
Likely to see BN bailing out MAS again although this should not be the case.
You are right. This time 27 sen only instead of the high price Tun M paid to Tajuddin Ramli.
Tun M said MAS is losing money partly due to the unusual 25-year in-flight catering contract worth RM6.25 billion with Brahim’s Holdings (a company headed by the brother of former PM Tun Abdullah Ahmad Badawi) since 2003.
Is this the company that provided ‘nasi lemak telanjang’ as complained by Chef Wan?
National Union of Flight Attendants Malaysia wants the female crew of Malaysia Airlines to be “given the option to observe Muslim dress code”.
Is this how MAS to be revamped as an Islamic airline?
Hijab dress code for MAS flights bringing pilgrims to Mecca?
a late entry to the comments here…normally in the internet there are websites for airplane enthusiast that display radio communication between air traffic controllers and airplane pilots. For those in the US, there is a high degree of openness in publishing this radio contact in the internet. I have hear some of this over at youtube although I’m not a fanatic to this, more of a casual interest in how air traffic controller and pilots talk. For this case, MH17 was flying over Ukrainian airspace which mean it was subjected to Ukranian air traffic controllers. My understanding of this line… Read more »
The West should engage Najib to learn how to negotiate ‘softly’ with separatists as Najib has proven to be successful with his ‘I Help You, You Help Me’ approach with the Sulu militants to rescue Sabah hostages without having to pay ransom, so claimed.
You … turning a post about this tragic incident into a political bashing session. Real heartless SOB.
SOB is that you. Everyone of the post is about the lies and deceit of the Ukrainian, American and the West.
Read this : Downed Airliner: Fake Audio Tape Shows US-Backed Hit to Frame Russia
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2014/07/21/508850-downed-airliner-fake-audio-tape-shows-us-backed-hit-to-frame-russia/
Malaysian MH 17 false flag…. conspiracy-theory-secrets.com Have you been looking at the satanic numbers already? MH 17 – 17-07-2014 First flight of this plane. ??…~ 17-07-1997……17 years later!!, Google for Lagarde and the number 7 Google for Hilary Clinton ‘The Antichrist’ Open your eyes instead of reading newspapers and watching the mainstream tv… The cabal, the elite, the freemasons…they dont have a heart, their God is Lucifer!!! In Holland they are grieving over some dead people who died in an airplane during the news, in the evening they go on with the bbq and their beer! It is sad, yes… Read more »
Miami – Very right.
Dont read this on an empty stomach! Again about cargo???
http://www.rense.com/general96/dutch.html.
the cure for AIDS……may have been on the plane!!!
Russia distances itself from MH17 downing, points to Ukrainian fighter jet
http://www.malaysia-today.net/russia-distances-itself-from-mh17-downing-points-to-ukrainian-fighter-jet/
Who should you believe
You see, the Ukrainian, the US and the West are always making wild allegation that the rebel is keeping the black box, tampering the bodies and black box, hindering investigations, preventing the countries concern from entering the areas and so on and so on. Two hundred over bodies have been retrieved and will be snt home and the Pro-Russian rebels hand over black boxes to M’sia. Worse still is many here who know next to nothing are also making wild allegation and start blaming the govt this and that.
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/07/22/pro-russian-rebels-hand-over-black-boxes-to-msia/
Gaza death toll tops 500 as US steps up ceasefire efforts. I did not see the US and Western nations condemning Israel but they are quite to condemn Putin and Russia although it has not been proven yet
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/world/2014/07/22/gaza-death-toll-tops-500-as-us-steps-up-ceasefire-efforts/
You should ask why Saudi Arabia did no help its Muslim brothers in Gaza.
PAS denies agreeing to replace Khalid with Wan Azizah. Anwar & DAP are bluffing
http://www.malaysia-today.net/pas-denies-agreeing-to-replace-khalid-with-wan-azizah/
Ananars, we are talking about MH17 and you are talking about Selangor.
What sort of mind you have ???
Smart Daddy : Ok a little out of topic but many are talking about Allah and God and trying to politicize.
Pakatan lawmakers admit plunge in support in Selangor ‘worse than expected’
http://themalaysianinsider.com/
All of these question does not amount to a hill of beans compared to the simple one – How far will Najib take on the real (alleged) culprit, which is Putin, and how far will he even get? Putin started all these, the people who pulled the triggers will be eventually take the fall. If Obama is good, he will get Russia to leave Ukraine but only temporarily. When peace falls apart again in Ukraine, Russia and Putin will step back in..
We are told by the US and its media that the plane was shot down by a missile (supplied by Russia) by the pro-Russian rebels. What if this is another plot hatched by CIA to discredit Russia, and to end the Ukraine crisis? Remember 777 is an US-made plane in MH370 and MH17. Remember US told (lied) us that Saddam had weapon of mass destruction? Could the ‘taped conversations’ between the pro-Russian rebels after the ‘shooting’ was a fake? How do we know the plane was shot by missile (as claimed by US), and not ‘remote-controlled’ to explode? We can… Read more »
Wr424, “The behaviour of the rebels are criminal… We also found similar behaviour at home.” However, very unfortunately, not everyone can see that though they have eyes. Mr pm said he cannot accept this sort of action and demand the person responsible for this cruel action be brought to justice. Was he saying blasting altantuya into powder and throwing beng hock out of the window not cruel??? Any justice done, mr pm ? Was the death of altantuya a wilfil act or accident? How about beng hock ? Two air tragic accidents happened in a period of 4 months, i… Read more »
Just like PAS using Allah for the tragedy as liquor were served and dresses by the attendants, someone is using God as the justification for the tragedy and to politicize. Was the death of alta a wilfil act or accident? How about beng hock?. It was a question mark and nobody yet know what happen. Maybe he should have ask God himself but I doubt he will get any answer whether its Alta, Teoh, MH370. Without an answer he will start to find a scapegoat not only for the death but whatever ills the country may face such as corruption… Read more »
Israeli paratrooper on MH17 – no. 9 on passenger list: Itamar Avnon.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-citizen-among-298-killed-on-downed-malaysian-plane/?utm_source=The+Times+of+Israel+Daily+Edition&utm_campaign=42bba7d9be-2014_07_18&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_adb46cec92-42bba7d9be-54624665
There is supposed to be another Israeli soldier on board, but name not confirmed yet.
Was shooting down of MH17 planned to divert attention from Gaza invasion?
He he someone is awake here!!!
Isnt it strange after a fall from such height…out of a plane, how some bodies look like! Or is it a hoax dummie??
And passports still in tact??? Even books are still readable….
Make the lie big enough and people believe it. What is happening now also happened before the two other worldwars….be aware, wake up
From the Russian or US. What about it has misidentified as a Putin plane. Why didn`t you report that.
Latest info released is that MH17 flew lower than 33,000 ft contrary to initial claims by MAS. The war zone was up to 32,000 ft and MH17 believed to have flown at 30,000 ft – MAS now claiming Ukrainian air traffic control OK’d the descent. Was MH17 misidentified as a hostile military transport aircraft?
Someone commented in the MC that Putin was evil. I told him on what ground and proof. What about Bush Weapon of Mass Destruction(WMD) pretext to invade Iraq that killed thousand of innocents. Was any WMD found. I think someone will comment hey you people so bodoh support BN & UMNO MIC, MCS & Gerakan etc that we have MH370 & MH17 just like some Muslim Taliban that comment that its because of Allah that an American jet crashed. Tomorrow I believed Anwar, PAS & DAP will be using this same analogy to blame it on Najib and BN.
People in other parts of the world is going to sue mas which the government (rakyat) is the majority shareholder. All of us have to pay hundrefs of millions ringgits unless mas can prove they have taken all care and safety to kins of those victims.
Don`t worry. the insurance company will pay. But I bet you will be worrying. After MH370 you thought you have made a killing and now your hand must have been burnt very very serious.
IF IT IS your grandfather insurance will pay goe flying ovet the dangerzone or conflict zone
Someone is just plain stupid to say if it is your grandfather insurance. If the airline is my grandfather airline, my grandfather would definitely ask the insurance company to pay. If my grandfather airline buy the insurance from thsi fellow grandfather insurance company then this fellow grandfather would definitely have to pay. If the airline brought the insurance from this stupid grandfather insurance company then his grandfather must pay. Surely my grandfather would not pay if the airline brought the insurance from this oversmart grandfather insurance company. What a stupid comment following in the style who called others bodoh but… Read more »
And that come with terms and conditions whether its your grandfather, my grandfather or others grandfather.
Acts of war and terrorism are excluded in the basic insurance policies offered by most airlines. However, a multilateral air travel treaty known as the Montreal Convention of 1999 stipulates that airlines are liable to pay damages of US$175,000 for each passenger killed or injured in any air accident, even if the cause of the crash is an act of war or terrorism.
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/malaysia-airlines-mh17-crash-basic-insurance-policies-do-not-cover-t
Wily ; Like I mentioned it come with terms and condition. In this case it is not war as there is no declaration of war. It is internal conflict so the case may be different.
I was proven right. The wife of DAP MP for Tanjong write in face book using MH17 to politicize and to discredit their opponent BN and govt. What a shame
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/07/21/mps-wife-should-be-charged-with-sedition/
And now we know why the opposition PKR, DAP and PAS are politicizing almost every issues even non political issue such as Mh17. They are desperate. Their support have dropped 35% since the last GE.
http://www.malaysia-today.net/pakatan-support-in-selangor-plunges-to-35-since-ge13-survey-shows/
Malaysia Airlines Crash: Scene Unfolds on Social Media
Who the hell this botok filled Rosmah thinks her husband, Najib, is ? You are asking Putin to call Najib, hi, he is the President of Russia and not one of his lackeys in Malaysia. Watch out, Rosmah, every inch of your face is filled with nothing but botok, you look like a ballon that is filled with botok. No amount of botok will make you look like an eighteen year old girl, just be yourself and don’t forget you are not talking to one of your Malaysian’s lackey. Above all, don’t forget your husband is only a minority elected… Read more »
SIA, Korean Airlines, Aseana, Cathay Pacific, Pakistani Airlines, Quantas, British Airways, American Airlines, Emirates, Qatar Air, Lufthansa, Air Lanka, etc are not flying over the corridor which has been declared “safe”. See flight patterns in graphics in link – virtually no flights over Ukraine! Why are the “facts” presented to the unsuspecting Malaysian public different?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/Ukraine/10975524/Crashed-MH17-flight-was-300-miles-off-typical-course.html
This is a terrible tragedy and if mistakes have been made the relevant parties should own up instead of confusing the issue. It would be much worse if people found out the truth later.