Who’s it going to be – Zaid or Kamalanathan, PKR or BN? All the action from polling day at Hulu Selangor and live coverage and discussion of the results.
Congratulations BN!To all future voters, vote BN if u want allocations(money) and developements in ur area.Oppositions don’t have money to carry out any development projects.
I foresee UNLIMITED COMMENT here by tomorrow morning & the IRONIC thing will be that 99.9% of these comments will be….
EXCUSES, EXCUSES & EXCUSES on why ZAID IBRAHIM lost. I hope all commentators will NOT behave like some SORE LOSER crying & blaming others for their own defeat.
But I ain’t gonna be sad, Anil. All of us should learn a lesson – and I ain’t trying to be racist here – we can only help those who want to help themselves, and for those who don’t want to help themselves, let them rot.
PKR better understand this – or it will fail again and again if it relies on those people who don’t want to help themselves.
No, BN has lost ! With so much money pouring in, with advantages of rural area folks who are not exposed to the internet media, with millions of TV/MSM media advertisements and all kinds of dirty tricks they played, they only managed to get a majority of 1,725. 160 million divided by 24,997 is RM6,400 per vote, LOL !
HS voters don’t forget to claim what has been promised to you, whether you voted for BN or not, makesure they fullfilled their promises !
Those who voted for BN will be among the Malaysian victims who have to pay back what has been spent by BN on this election ! Shall I congratulate you for your choice ???
Datuk Zaid, PR team and PR supporters, thank you for all your effort, in fact you are the winner of this by-election.
That’s a meaninglessly small change in fortunes at the polls, even if first-past-the-post turns the result upside down. With last time’s hair’s breadth win, and no game-changing local developments in the meantime, the by-election must always have been something of a coin-toss.
I still don’t think people should read much into a shift toward BN at by-elections. With absolutely no chance of realising the benefit from voting on principle, the only thing to vote for is a little ‘pork’ from the barrel..
BN weren’t the only ones to promise benefits in the last few days, were they? I hope PR move quickly to deliver their promises, despite their loss. Any delay on their part is sure to be capitalised on by BN’s Marketing Department.
Its a fabricated win for the big guns BN coz u have the monies to close the mind of the uneducated!!! well one day the nation will come to know the truth of the unworthy BN!!!
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If we read all the comments here and elsewhere, we come to a general conclusion. Whether it is Pakatan or UMNO-BN, it is about strategies or failures in getting the Malay votes, Chinese votes and Indian votes. Both are selling the same thing with a different sale pitch. So is it really wishful thinking on my part that we have changed after all. What is a few defeats and a longer wait for a good cause? What we need is a Malaysian class political leader who is large enough to unite Malaysia; not a better salesman.
I read through all the replies, even those from me, and I just have to reply to this.
“If we read all the comments here and elsewhere, we come to a general conclusion. Whether it is Pakatan or UMNO-BN, it is about strategies or failures in getting the Malay votes, Chinese votes and Indian votes.”
Let me be very frank. In the Peninsular, which group has the most number? The Malays.
Whoever has the support of the Malays will win. Whether or not the Chinese or the Indians support you, doesn’t matter, as long as you have the support from the Malays.
That’s exactly the strategy used by UMNO.
And they are smart – yes, I am saying that UMNO is smart because PR is too dumb to understand this concept – that they also identified pockets of non-Malays which they can gain support.
They allow that MIC circus to continue and Samy Vellu to be the chief clown for so long, for one purpose, and one purpose only – There are many Indians who will vote for whoever Samy Vellu tells them to vote, period.
Same thing is true for why UMNO allows MCA to exist.
All boils down to this — UMNO doesn’t have to worry about the Chinese votes nor the Indian votes, they concentrate on the Malay votes.
So in HS they canvassed the Malay areas thoroughly, 3 to 4 times, to make sure that the Malay people hear about what UMNO has to say.
As for the Indian votes – UMNO has Samy Vellu and that fake Makkal Sakti party to do their job for them.
As for the Chinese votes – Whether or not the Chinese wanna vote for UMNO is inconsequential, they already have enough votes to outbid the Chinese in HS.
So you see what happened in the HS by-election.
UMNO never hold any “ceramah rasaksa” since there is no need to do such a thing. They hold little ceramah here and there, go to every kampung to meet the people, telling them what they (the kampung folks) want to hear, and that is enough.
On the other hand, see how the Pakatan Rakyat has fumbled.
They never care about the Malay votes. They let PAS taking care of all the Felda district (it’s HUGE !) and where was PKR all the time? PKR was trying to woo the Indians !!!
For crying out loud ! Look at the numbers !!!
The Malays have the most number of people, the Chinese have the second largest with the Indians a distant third.
And yet PKR wasted almost all their time on the Indians !
What the hell is wrong with PKR? Don’t they know how to do math???
Even if ALL the Indians vote for PKR, they are going to lose also. Why? Because UMNO has homed-in the Malays.
That is why time and time again I stressed the importance of the Malay area but you see the people here (and the PKR HQ), always argue that the Indians are important.
Really? Indians are important? So where are the votes from the Indian community?
There are those who claimed that once Pakatan Rakyat can get the Indian lawyers like Gobind or Karpal or whoever to go to the Indian community the Indians will be syok and they will vote for the Pakatan.
CHILDISH la !
The Indians in three piece suits are not the same Indians living in the estate.
You do not see Samy Vellu wearing three-piece-suit walking into an estate to meet his Indian supporters. No, Samy wears traditional Indian costume.
And the Pakatan Indian professionals? What type of attire they wear when they go to the Indian communities? Western clothing !
Tell me, how can the Indians living in the estate accept those “professional Indians” as their “own kind”???
They can accept Samy Vellu because he came as an Indian.
The estate Indians simply can’t accept Gobind or Karpal because they are NOT Indians. They are someone who look like Indians, speaks like Indians but they ain’t Indians.
And so, on the 11th hour Pakatan had ONE ceramah rasaksa for the Malays. And there were like 10,000 people there, and you see how the people write?
Oooooh, we gonna win because so many people came to listen to Lim Kit Siang !
Oh yeah? Most Malays don’t like Lim Kit Siang, just in case you guys still don’t know this.
Wanna get the Malay votes, talk to the Malays AS MALAYS, not as someone from KL who talk AT them.
Malays are nice folks – I ain’t a Malay but I do have a lot of Malay friends. They do not like people to talk AT them but the problem with big shot politicians in Malaysia (BN and PR) is that they do not understand how to have a nice conversation with the Rakyat, rather they go to there and start “Let me tell you this”, “You need to listen to me”, “I know things you don’t know”, and so on.
How can the Malay people (and all other Malaysians as well) accept this type of “talk” ?
It’s not a conversation anymore. The ceramah has become a “LECTURE“.
So what you have ONE gigantic ceramah? So what if 10000000 Million people show up?
You guys ain’t doing the listening. You guys just do all the talking.
The kampung folks politely listened, went home, and then they cast their votes for BN.
That is what has happened.
You know what UMNO did? They listened.
They listened to the Malays in Felda, they knew they screwed things up, and they offered their apology and their promise to straight things up.
Whether or not UMNO will honor their pledge is another matter. What matters most is this – UMNO gains the trust of the kampung folks by LISTENING, and the Pakatan has lost the trust of the kampung folks because the Pakatan is only interested in “LECTURING”.
PKR is lucky to have minimised the loss to 1,725 votes, which represents only 3.6% of the total votes. Apart from the monetary handouts that were conditional on voters voting for BN, which could have swung 1,000 votes or 2% to BN, I can find some solid reasons why PKR and Zaid could not convincingly swing the voters in their favour:
1. Constant harping on the APCO issue by Anwar Ibrahim. It is not relevant to Hulu Selangor and also the nation although a case can be made that the US$23m is tax payers money. It is as if Anwar and the PR coaltion were waiting for a big fish issue to drop from the sky for them to raise up as an election issue.
2. When you want to win rural votes, be careful to select someone they can identify with. Zaid is more of an urban success story. If he was a kampung boy to riches story, there was little meat to chew on.
3. PKR did not respond strongly to the character assasination of drinking alcohol. So what if Hishmamuddin or other members of cabinet drank in the past? They are not standing for election in Hulu Selangorlah.
3. The New Economic Model, even if it is a PR ploy, was good PR for BN. The Opposition could not counter with a simple counter punch but instead responded with several disagreements with the thick report. Fence sitters throughout the nation are still waiting for the NEM Part II and may be willing to give the benefit of the doubt until then.
4. Is the name of the game among Islamic conservatives still: who is a better Jew basher? Anwar seemed to have gone overboard by calling the head of APCO a Jew. Wonder what the Christian Malaysians thought about that when majority of them love the Jewish people. We know that God hates and judges countries that condemn the nation/people He loves.
… From now on I guess the voters of HS don’t anything complaint ’bout.They decide this correct?After all the thing happened in front of our eyes still people vote for the same culprits of the nation.Nothing can change in this country…
Thanks for the nudge, “Jong/April 26th, 2010 at 1.41am.
Allow me to buy you some teh-tarik via PBB 4-543-7119-34 in appreciation of the sterling service you have rendered to us all, Anil. Aiming to head for the ATM after lunchtime today. If today tak sempat, latest tomorrow.
Whispering,
We are always salesmen. We are marketing our skills so that we can earn a living. There is nothing wrong with that. However, it’s pretty sickening that some clowns uses your money so as to sell it to you in return of several years of slavery.
Kinda pity don’t you think
The only working “formula” is the winning one – that is, getting as many votes from the biggest group of people as possible, the one that is used by BN.
Only harebrained PR campaigners would think of “40% Malay, 60% Indian, 70% Chinese” formula.
This vote is a DISASTER. Over the next two years, you will see at least a few hundred thousand educated Malaysian of all race leave and investments will go with them. PR may even break apart making the situation worst. In order to keep the unproductive economy going, BN will spend – Najib already blew his own budget deficit target literally only months after they announced it. GE 13 will happen before the effects are truly felt but it will be felt not very long after. We will have an economic crises before GE14, if there is one. And IT ALL BEGAN HERE because Najib blew a few hundred million for a single by-election.
“I didn’t know I was a slave until I found out I couldn’t do the things I wanted”
Maybe we have become slaves unwittingly or unwillingly? Nonetheless,the ‘structural contradiction’ within our political nexus has to unravel itself with faster haste now. A wrong post-hoc conclusion might just make Hulu Selangor into what Ijok by-election was for Pak Lah. Dusk, night and then dawn. Can’t made omelette without breaking the eggs. In the meantime, let’s get back to the business of defending Mother Nature.
this shows money can buy anything
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Congratulations BN!To all future voters, vote BN if u want allocations(money) and developements in ur area.Oppositions don’t have money to carry out any development projects.
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Please ask BN to stop developing KL because all MP seats are falling to PR.
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Thanks Anil for keeping us updated. It’s sad that Zaid lost. People need to be educated still.
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Wish that PR will win.BIG
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I foresee UNLIMITED COMMENT here by tomorrow morning & the IRONIC thing will be that 99.9% of these comments will be….
EXCUSES, EXCUSES & EXCUSES on why ZAID IBRAHIM lost. I hope all commentators will NOT behave like some SORE LOSER crying & blaming others for their own defeat.
Take it like a MAN, ok????
HIDUP BN!!! HIDUP BN!!! HIDUP BN!!!
Nice try PKR but too bad….try harder next time.
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TOKZ,
Then be a jantan, bubar DUN Perak. Kenapa takut?
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It’s official.
Hand-kisser wins !
Justice takes yet another tumble.
But I ain’t gonna be sad, Anil. All of us should learn a lesson – and I ain’t trying to be racist here – we can only help those who want to help themselves, and for those who don’t want to help themselves, let them rot.
PKR better understand this – or it will fail again and again if it relies on those people who don’t want to help themselves.
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congrats P. Kamalanathan =P
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No, BN has lost ! With so much money pouring in, with advantages of rural area folks who are not exposed to the internet media, with millions of TV/MSM media advertisements and all kinds of dirty tricks they played, they only managed to get a majority of 1,725. 160 million divided by 24,997 is RM6,400 per vote, LOL !
HS voters don’t forget to claim what has been promised to you, whether you voted for BN or not, makesure they fullfilled their promises !
Those who voted for BN will be among the Malaysian victims who have to pay back what has been spent by BN on this election ! Shall I congratulate you for your choice ???
Datuk Zaid, PR team and PR supporters, thank you for all your effort, in fact you are the winner of this by-election.
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Like I said earlier, Hulu Selangor will be fluid while Sibu will be 99%. Don`t worry we will win back this Sibu seat to make it 1-1
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That’s a meaninglessly small change in fortunes at the polls, even if first-past-the-post turns the result upside down. With last time’s hair’s breadth win, and no game-changing local developments in the meantime, the by-election must always have been something of a coin-toss.
I still don’t think people should read much into a shift toward BN at by-elections. With absolutely no chance of realising the benefit from voting on principle, the only thing to vote for is a little ‘pork’ from the barrel..
BN weren’t the only ones to promise benefits in the last few days, were they? I hope PR move quickly to deliver their promises, despite their loss. Any delay on their part is sure to be capitalised on by BN’s Marketing Department.
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Its a fabricated win for the big guns BN coz u have the monies to close the mind of the uneducated!!! well one day the nation will come to know the truth of the unworthy BN!!!
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At least two clear cases of vote buying from BN.
- 100 Felda household receives RM50,000
- A Chinese school receives RM3,000,000
if BN win the election.
I doubt MACC and SPR got gut to take Najib to court.
Chinese voters did the right thing by one hand receiving money while another hand is casting for PR.
Indian voters still being fooled by UMNO and MIC although they were sidelined by BN for last 50 years in every aspect.
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Well, congrats to BN. And now hopefully they fulfill whatever their promises to the ppl there.
This election can be lesson learned for both BN & PKR, to take stock in the coming 13th General election.
PKR need more work on the rural votes, BN need to satisfy the urban votes.
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If we read all the comments here and elsewhere, we come to a general conclusion. Whether it is Pakatan or UMNO-BN, it is about strategies or failures in getting the Malay votes, Chinese votes and Indian votes. Both are selling the same thing with a different sale pitch. So is it really wishful thinking on my part that we have changed after all. What is a few defeats and a longer wait for a good cause? What we need is a Malaysian class political leader who is large enough to unite Malaysia; not a better salesman.
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I read through all the replies, even those from me, and I just have to reply to this.
“If we read all the comments here and elsewhere, we come to a general conclusion. Whether it is Pakatan or UMNO-BN, it is about strategies or failures in getting the Malay votes, Chinese votes and Indian votes.”
Let me be very frank. In the Peninsular, which group has the most number? The Malays.
Whoever has the support of the Malays will win. Whether or not the Chinese or the Indians support you, doesn’t matter, as long as you have the support from the Malays.
That’s exactly the strategy used by UMNO.
And they are smart – yes, I am saying that UMNO is smart because PR is too dumb to understand this concept – that they also identified pockets of non-Malays which they can gain support.
They allow that MIC circus to continue and Samy Vellu to be the chief clown for so long, for one purpose, and one purpose only – There are many Indians who will vote for whoever Samy Vellu tells them to vote, period.
Same thing is true for why UMNO allows MCA to exist.
All boils down to this — UMNO doesn’t have to worry about the Chinese votes nor the Indian votes, they concentrate on the Malay votes.
So in HS they canvassed the Malay areas thoroughly, 3 to 4 times, to make sure that the Malay people hear about what UMNO has to say.
As for the Indian votes – UMNO has Samy Vellu and that fake Makkal Sakti party to do their job for them.
As for the Chinese votes – Whether or not the Chinese wanna vote for UMNO is inconsequential, they already have enough votes to outbid the Chinese in HS.
So you see what happened in the HS by-election.
UMNO never hold any “ceramah rasaksa” since there is no need to do such a thing. They hold little ceramah here and there, go to every kampung to meet the people, telling them what they (the kampung folks) want to hear, and that is enough.
On the other hand, see how the Pakatan Rakyat has fumbled.
They never care about the Malay votes. They let PAS taking care of all the Felda district (it’s HUGE !) and where was PKR all the time? PKR was trying to woo the Indians !!!
For crying out loud ! Look at the numbers !!!
The Malays have the most number of people, the Chinese have the second largest with the Indians a distant third.
And yet PKR wasted almost all their time on the Indians !
What the hell is wrong with PKR? Don’t they know how to do math???
Even if ALL the Indians vote for PKR, they are going to lose also. Why? Because UMNO has homed-in the Malays.
That is why time and time again I stressed the importance of the Malay area but you see the people here (and the PKR HQ), always argue that the Indians are important.
Really? Indians are important? So where are the votes from the Indian community?
There are those who claimed that once Pakatan Rakyat can get the Indian lawyers like Gobind or Karpal or whoever to go to the Indian community the Indians will be syok and they will vote for the Pakatan.
CHILDISH la !
The Indians in three piece suits are not the same Indians living in the estate.
You do not see Samy Vellu wearing three-piece-suit walking into an estate to meet his Indian supporters. No, Samy wears traditional Indian costume.
And the Pakatan Indian professionals? What type of attire they wear when they go to the Indian communities? Western clothing !
Tell me, how can the Indians living in the estate accept those “professional Indians” as their “own kind”???
They can accept Samy Vellu because he came as an Indian.
The estate Indians simply can’t accept Gobind or Karpal because they are NOT Indians. They are someone who look like Indians, speaks like Indians but they ain’t Indians.
And so, on the 11th hour Pakatan had ONE ceramah rasaksa for the Malays. And there were like 10,000 people there, and you see how the people write?
Oooooh, we gonna win because so many people came to listen to Lim Kit Siang !
Oh yeah? Most Malays don’t like Lim Kit Siang, just in case you guys still don’t know this.
Wanna get the Malay votes, talk to the Malays AS MALAYS, not as someone from KL who talk AT them.
Malays are nice folks – I ain’t a Malay but I do have a lot of Malay friends. They do not like people to talk AT them but the problem with big shot politicians in Malaysia (BN and PR) is that they do not understand how to have a nice conversation with the Rakyat, rather they go to there and start “Let me tell you this”, “You need to listen to me”, “I know things you don’t know”, and so on.
How can the Malay people (and all other Malaysians as well) accept this type of “talk” ?
It’s not a conversation anymore. The ceramah has become a “LECTURE“.
So what you have ONE gigantic ceramah? So what if 10000000 Million people show up?
You guys ain’t doing the listening. You guys just do all the talking.
The kampung folks politely listened, went home, and then they cast their votes for BN.
That is what has happened.
You know what UMNO did? They listened.
They listened to the Malays in Felda, they knew they screwed things up, and they offered their apology and their promise to straight things up.
Whether or not UMNO will honor their pledge is another matter. What matters most is this – UMNO gains the trust of the kampung folks by LISTENING, and the Pakatan has lost the trust of the kampung folks because the Pakatan is only interested in “LECTURING”.
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PKR is lucky to have minimised the loss to 1,725 votes, which represents only 3.6% of the total votes. Apart from the monetary handouts that were conditional on voters voting for BN, which could have swung 1,000 votes or 2% to BN, I can find some solid reasons why PKR and Zaid could not convincingly swing the voters in their favour:
1. Constant harping on the APCO issue by Anwar Ibrahim. It is not relevant to Hulu Selangor and also the nation although a case can be made that the US$23m is tax payers money. It is as if Anwar and the PR coaltion were waiting for a big fish issue to drop from the sky for them to raise up as an election issue.
2. When you want to win rural votes, be careful to select someone they can identify with. Zaid is more of an urban success story. If he was a kampung boy to riches story, there was little meat to chew on.
3. PKR did not respond strongly to the character assasination of drinking alcohol. So what if Hishmamuddin or other members of cabinet drank in the past? They are not standing for election in Hulu Selangorlah.
3. The New Economic Model, even if it is a PR ploy, was good PR for BN. The Opposition could not counter with a simple counter punch but instead responded with several disagreements with the thick report. Fence sitters throughout the nation are still waiting for the NEM Part II and may be willing to give the benefit of the doubt until then.
4. Is the name of the game among Islamic conservatives still: who is a better Jew basher? Anwar seemed to have gone overboard by calling the head of APCO a Jew. Wonder what the Christian Malaysians thought about that when majority of them love the Jewish people. We know that God hates and judges countries that condemn the nation/people He loves.
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… From now on I guess the voters of HS don’t anything complaint ’bout.They decide this correct?After all the thing happened in front of our eyes still people vote for the same culprits of the nation.Nothing can change in this country…
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Thanks for the nudge, “Jong/April 26th, 2010 at 1.41am.
Allow me to buy you some teh-tarik via PBB 4-543-7119-34 in appreciation of the sterling service you have rendered to us all, Anil. Aiming to head for the ATM after lunchtime today. If today tak sempat, latest tomorrow.
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Thanks for the thought, Leithaisor. I appreciate it.
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Whispering,
We are always salesmen. We are marketing our skills so that we can earn a living. There is nothing wrong with that. However, it’s pretty sickening that some clowns uses your money so as to sell it to you in return of several years of slavery.
Kinda pity don’t you think
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PR lose mainly due to Indian votes swing to BN. If 8-10% more Indians are still stick with PR, PR will win.
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“PR lose mainly due to Indian votes swing to BN. If 8-10% more Indians are still stick with PR, PR will win.”
Didn’t others claiming that 55% of Indians gonna vote for PR?
Or after PR sent in Gobind and others to meet the estate Indians those Indians gonna be so impressed and they will vote for PR?
So what happened?
Did it work?
Why not?
In politics, delivery is the ultimate aim.
Gobind and his gang can’t deliver the votes needed, can they?
What was PR thinking?
Why so little effort on getting the Malay votes?
My friend from PAS already told me that 45% of the Malays can vote for PR, the only prerequisite is to GET THEM TO GO OUT TO VOTE.
See the low voting turn out?
Why was there no more effort in getting the Malay votes?
The big sabotage is from within the PR machinery.
Whoever made the decision to waste so much resources and time on getting the Indian voters might be a planted mole from BN.
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The winning formula is PR must get 40% Malay votes, 60% Indian votes and 70% Chinese votes.
As long as Ibrahim Ali is around to attack Chinese, I guarantee 70% Chinese will vote for PR.
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60% Indian votes?
Is someone taking the wrong medicine or what???
That is a “sure-lose formula”, my dear friend.
The only working “formula” is the winning one – that is, getting as many votes from the biggest group of people as possible, the one that is used by BN.
Only harebrained PR campaigners would think of “40% Malay, 60% Indian, 70% Chinese” formula.
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And oh, one more thing:
“As long as Ibrahim Ali is around to attack Chinese, I guarantee 70% Chinese will vote for PR.”
If this is the way Pakatan thinks, no wonder the Pakatan loses.
In a competition you do not expect your opponent to shoot himself in the foot. Because the one shooting his own feet may turn out to be you.
In any competition the only winning formula is to get ahead of your opponent, regardless of whether your opponent is healthy or sick, smart or stupid.
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This vote is a DISASTER. Over the next two years, you will see at least a few hundred thousand educated Malaysian of all race leave and investments will go with them. PR may even break apart making the situation worst. In order to keep the unproductive economy going, BN will spend – Najib already blew his own budget deficit target literally only months after they announced it. GE 13 will happen before the effects are truly felt but it will be felt not very long after. We will have an economic crises before GE14, if there is one. And IT ALL BEGAN HERE because Najib blew a few hundred million for a single by-election.
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As long as the emigrants are non-bumi, UMNO will celebrate the reduction of non-bumi population.
I always encourage new generations in my family to emigrate and two nephews have get Singapore citizenship for good sake.
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looes74,
A nice Frederick Douglass quote on slavery.
“I didn’t know I was a slave until I found out I couldn’t do the things I wanted”
Maybe we have become slaves unwittingly or unwillingly? Nonetheless,the ‘structural contradiction’ within our political nexus has to unravel itself with faster haste now. A wrong post-hoc conclusion might just make Hulu Selangor into what Ijok by-election was for Pak Lah. Dusk, night and then dawn. Can’t made omelette without breaking the eggs. In the meantime, let’s get back to the business of defending Mother Nature.
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Well done BN !!!
Thanks for your allocation/contribution in Hulu Selangor. The people love you very much.
p/s: reject muslim drinker anytime anywhere
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