Gender paradox

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Girls and women are excelling in secondary and tertiary education; yet formal women’s participation in public life and major decision-making remains lower. Why is that?

This is a piece I wrote for IPS:

It is a paradox, all right. Women make up more than half of those who take part in protests and other activities organised by her political party on issues affecting low-income workers, says Rani Rasiah of the Socialist Party of Malaysia.

But when it comes to holding official positions at the party’s local branches, more than half of the officials happen to be men, she observes.

“Maybe the womenfolk feel they have responsibilities at home and are unable to attend regular party meetings and the demands that come with them,” reasons the party’s deputy secretary general.

”There is also a certain degree of control at home about women going out at night or leaving the household to attend regular meetings,” she continues. ”Maybe the women themselves lack self esteem and self-confidence to play a leadership role.”

Full article in IPS here.

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Sean
Sean
4 Aug 2010 1.24am
Sean
Sean
3 Aug 2010 3.54pm

I think perhaps we can move on. If I can infer correctly, Pearl suggests lower female participation in some fields is due to women being more likely to be ‘second-rate’, ‘lazy’, ‘short-sighted’, ‘taking short-cuts’ and simply less likely to be the ‘better person’. I have to confess to having no statistics beyond personal experience myself. Since Pearl has (I assume) equally credible experience and could possibly be speaking for a community of which she is a member and we are not, I think we have to accept her explanation as the best one so far – at least on your… Read more »

Pearl
Pearl
3 Aug 2010 10.07pm
Reply to  Sean

“Is a reservation a kind of quota?”

Do not look too far and you can see the result.

Three letters come to mind: N-E-P.

Pearl
Pearl
3 Aug 2010 12.27pm

“Girls and women are excelling in secondary and tertiary education; yet formal women’s participation in public life and major decision-making remains lower. Why is that?” What is your objective, Mr. Anil? Why is the first half of your assertion conflict with your second half, Mr. Anil? The first half says that we women are better and then you turn around and say that we females are lesser in number in the “higher heirarchy”. Is number all you are after, Mr. Anil? Is that all you can understand? Number of women vs number of men? Why don’t you look at things… Read more »

Pearl
Pearl
3 Aug 2010 10.04pm
Reply to  Anil Netto

It is not what I think. It is the reality that reflects everything. What we have in Malaysia is the lack of quality people – male and female – that can lead us out of the dolldrum. No matter which sides (PR or BN / Male or Female) all we have are tin kosongs, from both sides. Every day they spout hot air. Not a single good and solid plan to help the nation nor the people. All hot air. That is happening not only to the Male politicians but also the Female. When I saw the Female politicians from… Read more »

curious
curious
1 Aug 2010 12.17am

She had been at the helm of Opposition Leader before and my wish is that she’ll become the 1st Lady Prime Minister of Malaysia! She’ll have great guidiance from her coalition if she’s unable to decide instinctly.
Pakatan towards Putrajaya if Anwar is unavialable due to circumstances.

Sean
Sean
31 Jul 2010 8.31pm

“is nothing but patronising” No it isn’t, unless you’re not very good at counting. Anil suspects (being a reasonable and generous soul) that there’s nothing intrinsically wrong with women, and expects they are just as competent as men to hold positions in the workforce. He observes (or repeats a woman’s observation, so he is only second-hand matronising at worst) that there is a bias in the numbers of the two main genders in the workforce and quite intelligently wonders what is the cause. If women are as well-equipped for certain kinds of work as men are (we’re not discussing heavyweight… Read more »

Pearl
Pearl
1 Aug 2010 7.49am
Reply to  Sean

It _is_ patronising. Who cares how many men or how many women are on the top? What I am banking on is the quality and not quantity or else we will have the quota system again. Is that what you want? A quota system whereby a certain percentage of top post is reserved for a certain group of people, whether or not they are qualified. Is that what you really want, Sean? And coming from the males (I am assuming “Sean” is a male) it is patronising because all my life I never let my gender tie me down, nor… Read more »

Sean
Sean
1 Aug 2010 6.24pm
Reply to  Pearl

It is absolutely not patronising – for one because he is repeating a woman’s observation, and for the other because it is an observation that reality does not reflect reaonsable expectation. It doesn’t require ‘care’, all it requires is a curious mind and the abilities to count and to express one’s self when one’s expectations are not met. If ‘want’ enters the discussion at all, I have revealed my desires in my first comment. Being a generous sort who imagines that desires such as mine might be equalled in magnitude but opposed in sign in a woman’s mind, I would… Read more »

Pearl
Pearl
3 Aug 2010 12.31am
Reply to  Sean

Expectation? In term of quantity? In term of quota? If that is the expectation please do not count me in. I will not accept a quota system set up for the female kind (yes, my kind) because no quota system benefits the society. Not even for the females. And I do not owe you nor anybody else to explain your male perspective of “domination of maleness”. You male do not understand the female, no matter how we female explain it to you you still can not understand. That is why we female are superior in brain power while you males… Read more »

Sean
Sean
3 Aug 2010 10.37am
Reply to  Pearl

You’re still accusing me of something I have not implied. Are you able to understand ‘reasonable expectation’ and counting? If you flipped a coin a hundred times would you expect it to land on one side 50 times and 50 times on the other, or close to 50? If it landed 95 times on one side and only 5 on the other, wouldn’t you wonder why? Only an idiot would suggest a quota for which side a coin should land on. Another kind of idiot would accept a one-sided coin without question. I don’t understand the second half of your… Read more »

Pearl
Pearl
3 Aug 2010 12.20pm
Reply to  Sean

As I said before, you males do not and can never comprehend what we mean. I give up, and in fact, I gave up a long time ago trying to make you males understand our (female) perspective. There are of course the so-called “females” who are asking for quotas. Those are “running dogs” of the woman kind. They are too lazy to fight for equality, instead they took the short cut and ask for quotas. Equality does not involve quantity, and you keep repeating the “counting” phase while not reading what I wrote, Sean. Counting means what? Count numbers, ie,… Read more »

Sean
Sean
3 Aug 2010 1.12pm
Reply to  Pearl

You’re still raving on about quotas and having some special thought processes that means you cannot make yourself understood. Do you understand the point I made about flipping the coin? If the coin is landing unmistakeably on one side as opposed to the other, when our understanding of coins would cause us to expect a roughly equal number of ‘heads’ and ‘tails’, then to use your language, the coin we are observing certainly has some ‘quality’ which is at variance with what we would expect. If a coin lands 90% heads and 10% tails, a fool might propose that we… Read more »

Pearl
Pearl
3 Aug 2010 9.56pm
Reply to  Sean

Looks like you just can’t get out of off your “quantitative prison”.

Your coin analogy is just that, stastistic, aka, quantity of A versus of quantity of B.

I give up.

Until the time you understand what “Quality” is all about, talking about quantity is not going to bear any result.

Since you like analogy, take Singapore and Malaysia.

One stresses on Quality the other stresses on Quantity.

Guess which is which?

Pearl
Pearl
31 Jul 2010 4.00pm

Mr. Anil,

From the standpoint of a female, your asking “yet formal women’s participation in public life and major decision-making remains lower. Why is that?” is nothing but patronising.

Why all the fixation on Gender?

As a working adult female even I do not judge a person by her or his gender, instead I judge one by personality / ability / willingness to strive for the best.

MalaysianinNewYork
MalaysianinNewYork
31 Jul 2010 9.40am

This is a gruesome act against woman that is practiced in modern times in the name of religion .

You can read about it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stoning_of_Soraya_M. …

Rima
Rima
31 Jul 2010 9.28am

Did you hear about the ‘prophecy’ that Malaysia in time will ‘export’ maids (may be degree holders) to overseas? We are learning from the Philipines.

Sewel
Sewel
30 Jul 2010 6.20pm

Anil,
I have to be honest, I like my women pretty and tall and very sexy. I like my women to be good cooks and good at looking after kids.

So far all my secretaries have been very good looking and they must wear short skirts to work.

Am I gender biased. I think not. I’m just a happy bloke!

Yatim
Yatim
30 Jul 2010 4.32pm

In the future, a man in Malaysia is likely to be less qualified than a woman. However, he could marry 4 female graduates to support him.

Malaysia Boleh!

Pearl
Pearl
1 Aug 2010 10.56am
Reply to  Yatim

Those type of “men” are certainly not qualified to be the father of my children.

Bad genes.

wandererAUS
wandererAUS
30 Jul 2010 3.49pm

Sorry, I have to retract my last sentence. In Aussie land, we have the first lady Prime Minister!!! How great is that?

Sean
Sean
30 Jul 2010 1.50pm

“Why is that?” Guys. They’re their own worst enemy. Or at least they’re my worst enemy. I don’t feel terribly badly adjusted as a male animal but I completely fail to understand why some men would want to make any rule that reduced the number of females in their environment. I would rather – if someone has to go – that it would be other guys. I just don’t want to see them or be near them. I’m completely fed up with sharing an office toilet with them. I don’t understand why some men conspire to reduce the number of… Read more »

wandererAUS
wandererAUS
30 Jul 2010 1.07pm

Has religion anything to do with it. Look, wearing Burga as a simple example, is still a preferred dress for the men in many Middle East countries for their woman folks. The women are still living under the sufferance of, egoistic and hollow headed male specimens…until that sort of mentality changed, there is little hope the women will become prominent figures in public life.

Gerakan K
Gerakan K
30 Jul 2010 1.00pm

Girls like a princess (this is a praise, OK)

Women like a mom (this is a praise, OK)

Boys like a naughty baby (this is my observation)

Men like a king (this is myself)

So, when comes to grabbing top posts or key positions, of course male has the advantage.

Please respect women and girls. Stop degrading them using any direct or indirect insinuation like “bocor”, “leak”, etc….