Taman Rimba Kiara and the importance of local plans

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Local Plans, properly done with genuine public participation, are so important in ensuring proper planning and sustainable development of a kind that most people would be comfortable with.

Problems arise without a gazetted local plan, which stipulates in some detail what kind of development is permissible in any particular local area or neighbourhood. For instance, some 3,000 people have already signed a petition (not sure who initiated it) to save Taman Rimba Kiara, a green space, from overdevelopment.

There is some similarity between the KL and Penang Island Local Plans. Both were ready by around 2007-2008 but then not gazetted. (In the case of the Penang Island Local Plan, it was approved by the city council in 2008, but then not put on public display. It is now being reviewed.)

As for the broader structure plans, the KL Structure Plan 2020 was launched in 2008 and was scheduled to be gazetted in 2012, but that was postponed. It is now being reviewed. In the case of the Penang Structure Plan, it was gazetted in 2007 and it came up for review after five years, ie in 2012. It is now being reviewed and will be extended to 2030.

In all these local plans and structure plans, it is important to factor in climate change and how its impact can be minimised.

Here, this is what the planning experts have to say.

This is from the Facebook of the Malaysian Institute of Planners:

MIP strongly urges all local authorities to gazette their respective local plans, once due processes for public participation, engagement, objections and feedback have been undertaken in accordance with the provision of the Town and Country Planning Act 1976 (Act 172) or for the City of Kuala Lumpur, in accordance with the Federal Territory (Planning) Act (Act 267).

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The absence of gazetted local plan has resulted in increasing conflicts between the residents and local authorities, as what we have witnessed recently in the case of TTDI residents over the development of part of Taman Rimba Bukit Kiara. There have also been other examples of such conflicts, such as in Petaling Jaya.

A gazetted local plan will provide greater transparency in decision-making with regards to particularly, approvals for developments and takes away a certain degree of uncertainty on development parameters adopted by local authorities.

This is very much in line with the spirit for greater transparency and accountability, as well as more meaningful public participation in planning and decision-making; a fundamental principle of the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) and the New Urban Agenda (NUA) which Malaysia is a signatory.

In the case of the local plan for Kuala Lumpur, MIP has been appealing for this for years, since 2013 when the gazettement of the KL City Plan 2020 was first put on hold. Recently, we have written to DBKL and the Minister, urging for the local plan to be gazetted soonest possible and MIP has offered its services as a professional institution to assist DBKL in any form of assistance required.

We need a gazetted local plan to ensure that the interest of the general public is always protected and given utmost priority.

The photo here is MIP letter to the editor of NST back in the year 2013, urging DBKL and the Minister to gazette the KL City Plan 2020.

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Midas
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Penang Sentral will drive progress in Butterworth:
http://www.kwongwah.com.my/?p=327832

If you need to buy a house, better do so in Prai before the price goes up with the completion of surrounding infrastructure.

tunglang
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tunglang

How to make apartment owners cough up maintenance fees
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2017/05/25/how-to-make-apartment-owners-cough-up-maintenance-fees/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FreeMalaysiaToday+%28FMT+News%29

Laws are already in place to empower management bodies to collect from defaulters.
Are they ignorant or what?

Jerome
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Jerome

New condominiums will have water enters of every household locked in a special room. The condo management can turn off the main tap depriving water supply to units that default on maintenance payment.

tunglang
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tunglang
Condo folk fear upcoming hillside project may cause erosion and floods Read more at http://www.thestar.com.my/metro/community/2017/05/22/residents-halt-highrise-plan-condo-folk-fear-upcoming-hillside-project-may-cause-erosion-and-floods/#FwrBFBu3HXZDsDXq.99 MIAMI Green Condominium residents in Batu Ferringhi, Penang, are objecting to a mixed development project located behind their high-rise. Its management corporation (MC) sub-committee member Jessica Lee said the residents were concerned about the upcoming hillside project which they consi-dered as a high-density development and may pose risks to the existing residents in the area. “What is going to happen when it rains? There’s going to be a possibility of flash floods and soil erosion. “The water may even weaken the foundation of our condominium,”… Read more »
zoro
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zoro

You mean engr who design the adj apart ment not exist?

tunglang
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tunglang
‘Lim deserves to be rapped over land sale’ Read more at http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2017/05/21/lim-deserves-to-be-rapped-over-land-sale/#X9ofjGbZm5SR4kLU.99 GEORGE TOWN: Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng deserves to be criticised for going back on his pledge to have open tender for land sale, said Penang MCA secretary Tang Heap Seng. “He should be condemned for changing the game rules. He had always said that all state government projects regardless of size will go through open tender. “But, now the state is practising double standards for the Island Medical City project, which should have gone through an open and transparent tender to protect the people and state’s interest… Read more »
Jerome
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Jerome
Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng has revealed federal government valuations which purportedly show that a plot of state land was leased to private firm Island Hospital for a price within its estimated value. Island Hospital obtained a 99-year lease on the Peel Avenue plot for RM 156 million from the state government. In comparison, Lim disclosed information from the Finance Ministry which confirmed that the plot, if sold freehold, was evaluated to be worth RM156,440,000. Furthermore, Lim showed a letter from the Penang Valuation and Property Services Department dated October 13, 2015, which stated that the 6.4 acres (26,074… Read more »
zoro
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zoro

Any one wants to be a pasar mlm trader or open kopi o tiam must tender other is not pg local plan. Likewise jack ma or bill gates to invest in pg must tender. Jack ma cannot alibaba or bla bla black sheep and have any wool. Otherwise it not pg local plan

tunglang
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tunglang

How about rooftop gardening as a high-rise building prerequisite in urban planning?
To understand the implications, read below:

A flight over Hong Kong’s secret farms
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170519-a-flight-over-hong-kongs-secret-farms

An inside view of Hong Kong’s hidden rooftop farms
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170517-an-inside-view-of-hong-kongs-hidden-rooftop-farms

zoro
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zoro

Irrelevant point. What has roof farming to do with local plan? In hk apartments are own by many owners.Absurd and no common sense. who has more right to farm in strata living.instead instead of farmjng hk fails to carry out harvest rain and water can be used in garden and floor washing.

tunglang
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tunglang

Blah, blah, blah, blah, belah (siang)!!!

Brian Choo
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Brian Choo

Lucky got Island Hospital to save me when I am old.
This is really an economic game changer move by LGE.

capricorn
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capricorn

Johor EduCity is drawing Singaporean students
http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/johors-educity-drawing-singaporean-students

Similarly, the Penang Island hospital could also attract Singaporean patients seeking lower medical cost?

tunglang
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tunglang
WITHOUT THE PAIN-IN-THE-… PENANG LOCAL PLAN, this is what happened: Survey: Penang homes priced beyond reach of most youths Read more at http://www.thestar.com.my/metro/community/2017/05/18/survey-penang-homes-priced-beyond-reach-of-most-youths/#MVqUFEX4SpJQ13UA.99 THE majority of youths in Penang have no choice but to rent due to high property prices. Most (73.2%) are staying in a property owned by a family member or a relative and many (93.7%) are hoping to own a house within the next five years. These are some of the findings of an opinion poll carried out by the state government on a sample group of 606 youths, aged 18 to 29. Penang Institute senior analyst… Read more »
zoro
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zoro

So reclamation and building more residential units will ease becoming like hk??

Midas
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Midas
The Penang government has defended a RM2 billion investment for a private hospital which has been criticised by several quarters as the facility sits on state land leased to the company. Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng said his government was not in the business of selling land, pointing out his administration sold 42.9ha of land for RM1.1102 billion since 2008. He contrasted the figure to the previous BN government which he said sold 1,481ha of land for RM1.0586 billion from the early 1990s to 2008. “We sold land less than 36 times but we got more money,” he said in… Read more »
Damien
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Damien

Go for secondary no frills apartment 800 square ft ~RM350K (no need for new lifestyle “happy” condo). If not affordable, ask your boss why pay so little in relation to inflation barang naik era.
Last time chendol RM1.20 now RM2.70 to justify pay rise!

capricorn
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capricorn
tunglang
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tunglang

The reality of the ‘Now’ market is nobody in the sensible sanity will pay Rm350K for a 800sq.ft. home. No matter how much the property gurus will sing the rainbow song with a pot of property investment gold at the end.

Unless the greedy developers refuse wake up till the bubble bursts straight in their faces.

zoro
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zoro

Pg is the only place in the universe where housing is out of reach. Try KL singland and first to third tier cities in chinland. Even down under, housing is unaffordable. Hk is trying to resolve by building in country park or reclamation. But watchdog will start barking

tunglang
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tunglang

Why the exasperated need to compare HK’s 120 sq.ft of inhuman chicken coops when we have the opportunity to make life better & more humane here?
Go on dreaming the 308 Dream like some money-gamers.

zoro
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zoro

It is illegal as it does not comply with fire regulation. The former apartment is subdivided into 4 units and the fire escape is sealed. There is lack of land for housing apart for economic development

Midas
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Midas

Hong Kong affordable home only 120 square feet!

Frankie
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Frankie
The problem of Gerakan is, they know nothing about urban planning and economic… When there was a investment or land in town been sold, what they did and said were always the same: Why the gov didn’t build AFFORDABLE HOUSING on that land!? OMG! Build Low Cost Flats on prime land without any planning?! Are you crazy!? Gerakan, please la, baca sedikit buku baru kritik boleh tak?! We need to create more high value jobs and economic values to the people with good use of the prime land!! I just couldn’t imagine if those ignorant youngsters of Gerakan being the… Read more »
tunglang
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tunglang

STOP THE CAT BLAME GAME & DELIVER:
Lack of affordable homes is BN’s failure, Penang tells critics
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2017/05/18/lack-of-affordable-homes-is-bns-failure-penang-tells-critics/

If you want to blame, blame after you have actually delivered brick + mortar housing @ realistically affordable price to majority of Penangites without quoting market forces, etc, etc to confuse the public.
To quote Nike slogan: JUST DO IT, CAT should adopt ASAP “Affordable Housing, Just Do It”.
The Art of Marketing: Sell Your Real Strength, Not Your Competitor’s Weakness (imagined, perceived or real).

We all know when is GE coming, thus the ‘timely’ multitude of blames from opportunist politicians.

Midas
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Midas

An new alternative for Penangites:

The dormant Penang Front Party (PFP) has been revived with the appointment of Kaffa boss Datuk Patrick Ooi as the advisor and steering committee chairman.

Ooi said he joined the party after accepting the offer for the two posts and was now preparing the party to contest 25 state seats and three parliamentary seats in the 14th General Election.

He said the campaign slogan would be “Penang for Penang Lang” (Penang for the people of Penang) and that PFP was support neither Barisan Nasional (BN) nor Pakatan Harapan (PH).

tunglang
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tunglang
My salute to this teacher – Meet the Pahang teacher who bikes 135km daily to teach Orang Asli kids http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/taman-rimba-kiara-importance-local-plans/ KUALA LIPIS: At first glance, Ahmad Saidin Mohd Idris resembles an odd-job worker, clad in worn out jeans, sweat-drenched long-sleeve shirt, mud covered shoes and carrying a backpack. But the 40-year-old is a teacher at SK Lenjang, Lipis, who rides his motorcycle some 65km from his house in Kuala Medang near here to get to the school daily. Undeterred by challenges, the father-of-two daily skillfully maneuvers his motorcycle along the muddy tracks, surrounded by a dense forest, to reach the… Read more »
zoro
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zoro

Now in the name of your life style is no wrong. one will do anything to suit your agenda. Others life style contratory is always niao kong

zoro
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zoro

If you know everything why buy 4wd when you are living in pg and mostly flat ground? Otherwise must be doing scramble ride up the pg hill ranges like developers????

tunglang
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tunglang

You still don’t understand the reality use & practicality of 4WD (lifestyle or off-roading depending on need) but still want to spin.
Atrocious!!!
May I say: Ride your proverbial donkey!

zoro
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zoro

Very good and adventurous. But why today, people can’t afford to buy houses if they can afford car and 4wds? If there are 4wds, then gilakan federal can build tracks or secondary roads throughout the country. N.o need to build highway. Tracks and secondary roads are organic and environmental friendly and cut out the hassle of changing tyres.

tunglang
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tunglang

My 4WD vehicle was for traveling + off-road adventures in Kedah, Kelantan & Perak.
FYI, 4WD kakis have 2 sets of tyres:
AT tyres for normal road use & MT (mud terrain) tyres for hardcore off-roading.
It makes no sense to drive around city using MT tyres which will cost more (finish treads in 6-12 months) & which are not safe on rainy days.

Where do you get the silly misleading idea of scrambling trails? up Penang Hill? Pls show photos.
🙂 🙂 🙂

zoro
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zoro

Absurd and irrational subject. If local plan go and bark at your gilakan as where is the developed nation by 2020 in less than 3 years. Why no bark at providing residential schools like mara? There are many superheros not news where I know one chinese woman has to travel moren than 50 miles daily to teach in a bumi school. He use kapcai why then has to use 4wd yo go to Belum reserve? The 4wd can be donated to him is there is no forthcoming contribution.

tunglang
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tunglang
What do you know about 4WDriving? Pls don’t suggest the impractical. One fact for your know-how: off-road trail of 25 degrees, of slippery mud of 1 foot thick is already quite a challenge for any 4WD vehicle. Try riding up on a kap-chai? Also, try 4WD on daily basis. See how much of maintenance costs you have to pay. Pls don’t ask this teacher to drive daily & end up with a hefty repair bill for suspension, axle, radiator, alternator, winch & body repairs (body repairs for dents caused by trees, rocks, even wild pigs). Also, off-road tyres (not all-terrain… Read more »
tunglang
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tunglang
Crowdfunding campaign launched to get teacher dirt bike to reach Orang Asli students http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/taman-rimba-kiara-importance-local-plans/ KUALA LUMPUR, May 18 — A Pahang teacher riding hours through muddy tracks to reach his Orang Asli students may get a scrambler or dirt bike if fellow Malaysians pitch in for a newly-launched fundraising campaign. Hazim Nordin, 39, said he launched the online crowdfunding campaign yesterday and hopes to achieve the target of collecting US$2,500 (RM10,000) within a month for teacher Ahmad Saidin Mohd Idris. Hazim said he started the campaign after reading a news report on the teacher — who travels for hours daily… Read more »
Brian
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Brian

Ministry of Education not taking care of welfare of teachers in rural area.

zoro
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zoro

Another out of point subject and trying to create superheros. If gomen built road like pg gomen you will always bark. Lend him the belum valley 4wd.

Damien
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Damien

Penang Local Plan to be gazetted end of 2017 :
http://m.thesundaily.my/node/418473

So Anilnetto.com should focus more on GE14 to happen b4 that.

Not sure if many frustrated voices means more independent candidates in Penang this time ?

zoro
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zoro

Time for the loudest complain before it is released. After release no comment for opportunist as one has to digest volumes of report. Better spend the time in anil’s blog

tunglang
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tunglang

Show us the Real Penang Local Plan before GE14 & we will know exactly who to vote.
No need to hoo-haa like a late hero.
Can or Not, Niao Kong? Now is the time for CAT sincerity.

zoro
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zoro

Let us see how much barking from tun lang when local plan is released.

sunny
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sunny

The locals no concern over what the elitists prefered The Local Plan. More important now is to recover the investment in JJPTR now that Johnson Lee has be arrested this morning

Midas
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Midas
Investigations into JJ Poor to Rich (JJPTR) suggest tens of millions of ringgit could have been moved to overseas accounts. There were no traces that its computers were hacked as claimed by its operator Johnson Lee. Police sources said investigations did not show the company was involved in any foreign exchange trading (forex). It is learnt that a team of officials from Bukit Aman and Bank Negara has frozen some accounts worth millions of ringgit. However, the bulk of the money has since been moved overseas. The team was also ascertaining if the actual amount lost was RM1.73bil and whether… Read more »
Brian
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Brian

Johnson Lee in deep trouble now.
But police acted too late….

Puspha
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Puspha

Gerakan Penang not taking up Local Plan matter as one of its agenda to fight DAP this GE14.

The focus on Komtar, calling Komtar Walk as Zombie Walk.

http://www.penangkini.com/2017/05/komtar-semakin-sepi-parti-gerakan-kesal.html?m=1

Oh Tong Keong to face Ng Wei Aik again hence Ah Keong raised the Zombie Walk issue ???

Mat Don #8
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Mat Don #8

Elevated octopus pedestrian walk of Penang Road is past legacy remaining from Gerakan. PISA by them had becomes Spice, so Gerakan may want to name the overhead bridge Gerakan Octopus with the consent of DAP?

zoro
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zoro

Penang created first octopus overhead crossing. Many cities in china orso follow like huizhou and suburb near shekou

Jerome
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Jerome

GEORGE TOWN: Gerakan Padang Kota coordinator H’ng Khoon Leng urged the Penang government not to delay anymore the upgrading of a four-legged Komtar overhead pedestrian bridge, as the upgrading work was supposed to be completed last year.

He said it has been two years since the project took off and questioned how long it will take to be completed.

Boris
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Boris

The elevated Octopus structure is a real sore eye!

Damien
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Damien

Octopus pedestrian walk near Komtar delay in completion

http://www.kwongwah.com.my/?p=321070

glissantia
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glissantia

Local plans constrain the “tuans”, just as local elections do. Therefore, the trick is to put up a charade of concern, fact-finding, planning, review, consultation, finalisation etc., before announcing some roadblock. If some action or commitment is unavoidable, select the most expensive and covert option – in any field.

Alvis
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Alvis
Penang blasts federal gov’t for TP1M neglect GEORGE TOWN: The Penang government has slammed Putrajaya for its lack of action in disbursing 1Malaysia Housing Maintenance Programme (TP1M) allocations in the state. State Housing, Town and Country Planning committee chairman Jagdeep Singh Deo told newsmen today that ever since TP1M was launched back in 2012, only 27 projects out of 143 applications from Penang were approved by the Urban Wellbeing, Housing and Local Government Ministry. “Nationwide, in 2013, there were 97 projects funded by TP1M, 96 projects in 2014 and 78 projects in 2015. In 2016, only 19 projects were funded.… Read more »
zoro
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zoro

No federal housing for pg because of tua pek kong and CAT basher.

Sim
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Sim

RM3 juta baik pulih 6 unit bangunan warisan Kategori 2 milikan MBPP

Mat Don #8
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Mat Don #8

Go engage your respective MPs you elected to push for local plan, otherwise you gonna groan more after GE14.

Midas
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Midas

Problem is most people do not know who their MP is, and most MPs do not bother to engage the rakyat.

Boris
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Boris

Only see the MP face on the GE campaign posters, then the MP is out of sight upon elected!

tunglang
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tunglang

Abolish the PTMP & its unsavoury swap deals & we will see the resurrection of Penang Local Plan.
It is simply that – the state gomen is beholden to some greedy developers for financing the PTMP, so the holding back of ‘Pain in the Ass’ Penang Local Plan will facilitate legitimate development according to developers’ fancies.
Abolish PTMP & swap deals & we will see “Yat Ting Kong Sai” (all’s well under the blue sky).

zoro
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zoro

You give no soln. You want jib to dump $£¢€ in kl only and build billion mrt there and pg just to get a few more buses to solve its transportation problem. What is your soln to pg transport? More private cars especially 4wds?

james k
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james k
Midas
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Midas

NST: George Town’s shanty towns a mess

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nst.com.my/node/238486/amp

zoro
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zoro

Stanty towns better than urban ghettos. News reported pg lang in low cost flats throw rubbish out if doors and windows onto grd flr.something is wrong with culture educ and training. Pg with so many members and volunteers can act not just voicing

Boris
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Boris

Shanty towns for foreign workers, or do you prefer proper dorminatory for them?