LIVE: Anwar vs Shabery in the Great Oil Price Debate
Anwar and Shabery shake hands at the end of the debate. So what do you think? Who was the more convincing? Respond to the poll on the sidebar.
2151: Why don’t you give your ideas without talk of changing government, Dato Seri?
Anwar: If they accept our suggestion, we will support them. In Feb 2006, after an earlier price hike, there was 4.8 per cent inflation. Now, after the price hike, inflation has soared to nearly 8 per cent in a month. Venezuela and Iran may have low oil price and high inflation, but we now have high oil price and high inflation! Look at the countries around us - how we have lost out to them in competitiveness. I still believe Malaysia, with its resources, has the potential if it cleans up its act.
Shabery: Mahathir has been blamed for the IPPs, but Anwar was once singing the praises of Mahathir. He should have resigned back then. Why is he only talking about a 50-sen reduction now when the oil price was RM1.92 before the election and he promised to reduce it then? We will only burden the country with high subsidies and could end up in debt to international “money lenders”.
Petronas alone (not the group) gives 91 per cent of its profit to the government. What else is there to give? Petronas is strong because of the government of Umno and BN. We do not burden Petronas but allow it to reinvest. About this talk of abuse of power - we are not alone in raising prices; it’s a global problem.
Anwar: Among oil producers, our price is high. If we want our economy to be strong, if we continue in this direction, our economy will be severely undermined. That’s why I am committed to explaining to the people. I will not respond to Shabery’s personal attacks. I don’t have space on RTM after this. I give you my assurance that i will contest in a by-election in the shortest time.
Shabery: Anwar hasn’t changed much. Those who built Petronas - Razak, Mahathir, Abdullah - Anwar has opposed them. If we continue to ask more money from Petronas to subsidise the country, we could end up poorer and Petronas could end up being taken over. Our GDP growth is 6 per cent, much better than many others. The debate now shows how open the government has become.
2140: In a few years we might not have enough oil. What do we do then? Should we continue the subsidy, or are you going to have a sharp price rise then?
Anwar: Who gave the figure of oil depletion in a few years? That assumes there are no further oil discoveries. Some 30 years ago, our reserves were supposed to last until 2005. Petronas then went abroad to explore. I defend Petronas but I criticise the BN.
The mismanagement of the government, the leakages… It’s true, the IPPs were during my time, but look at the record. Ani Arope was opposed to the EPU and the Prime Minister’s Dept over the IPPs. That’s why he quit.
The IPPs have made billions but those on the losing side are Petronas and TNB. We could plug the leakages and cronyism and save a total of RM3 billion. Who’s idea is this of a sharp oil price rise? This is a IMF-World Bank prescription! It is slanderous to say that I bowed to IMF wishes back in 1997-98.
Petronas said there was a special dividend for the government of RM6 billion this year. Can’t we take RM1 billion of this to reduce the oil price? It is not an issue of Pakatan Rakyat. It is for the people. We are staring at economic recession and unemployment.
2132: Why do you focus on the price of oil and not talk about income tax or reducing inflation?
Shabery: We are not a major oil producer. We are just a minor producer. We are just a small net exporter. Only 26 per cent of Petronas profit is from domestic sources. Petronas has to use its profits to find oil abroad. We now have a world renown oil corporation. Don’t make Petronas too poor.
Anwar: Shabery, who compared Malaysia to Venezuela and Iran? We should look at Malaysia as an oil exporter. The sharp rise has caused economic deterioration. Why did the government break its pre-election promise not to raise oil prices? Who is saying anything about taking Petronas money? My argument is to look at the IPPs and wipe out corruption. Why don’t we manage our treasury better to ease the suffering of the people?
Shabery: This is a populist argument. We can accept it if our oil is isolated from the world or if our oil is the only one that is expensive in the world. The IPPs existed when Anwar was in government, and he defended their contracts back then. Anwar used the methods that the IMF favoured to try and resolve the 1997-98 crisis. It is easy to talk when you are outside. Even with their difficulties now, believe me, the people have enough to eat. Show me a country which gives cheap oil without high inflation.
2128: When you were Finance Minister you sent up a Tabung Warisan. What was the aim?
Anwar: The idea was to keep part of our earnings for the future, but that was not maintained. The sharp price now has led to spiralling inflation. It will have adverse effects. But each rise of US$1 in the price of oil actually results in RM360 million income for us. Right now, the sharp rise in inflation will lead to a deterioration in the economy.
2125: In 2006, when there was a price hike, the government said it would improve public transport. Now they are saying that they are going to use the substantial savings for the benefit of the people. Can we believe that?
Shabery: All the countries that have cheap oil - look at Venezuela and Iran, look at their high inflation rates. We can now overcome our food price crisis. Our rice is cheaper than Thailand. We don’t have to demonstrate on the road or hold indecent concerts.
2120: Your premise of a 50 sen reduction is because Malaysia is an oil producer. But your points about IPP had nothing to do with oil. Are you going to distribute what has been collected through the hard work of others so that you get a good name?
Anwar: IPPs are also involved with oil and gas. Petronas has made a huge profit; its profit ranks it among the top 10 oil companies. We will definitely ask Petronas to reinvest. But Petronas is the right of the people. Are we just going to look after the tycoons and the cronies or the people? The 50 sen reduction is just the first step. The extreme price hike has won no support. The only ones supporting it are the BN MPs..
2111: Would the government have to subsidise foreign oil companies in retail sales if there is a price subsidy as Petronas alone does not control the retail market?
Shabery: If subsidies are given out, it would benefit the rich and foreigners as well. Why don’t we give the money straight to the people who need it? Finland and Norway etc do not have subsidies and have shown good economic performance.
Anwar: If you want to compare with Norway, it has 10 times the per capita income of Malaysia. The petrol price is hurting the poor and marginalised groups and aggravating their suffering. It is our responsibility. Such a sharp rise is burdening the people. If Umno and the ruling coalition don’t realise this, then their future is bleak. What about infrastructure spending - isn’t that a form of subsidy for companies? But we call that “incentives”. On the other hand, aid for the people is called “subsidies”, which are given a negative connotation.
2107: Shabery responds that the government would have to incur a subsidy of RM50 billion if it maintained the price at RM1.92 and that would affect development. He said that global factors also influence the oil price. He recalled the first global crisis in 1973-74, which worsened inflation including in Malaysia. Petronas was formed back then, which wasn’t easy. The people supported Razak’s move. Anwar protested against Razak back then. And Anwar was now doing this again.
2102: Anwar kicks off with his opening statement. He insists that with proper economic management and eradication of corruption, an immediate cut in petrol price of 50 sen is possible. He speaks of the suffering felt by many, particularly the Malays and bumis in Sabah. He points out that TNB has to pay for 40 per cent excess capacity and how Petronas has made an excellent profit of RM100 billion - which could enable the government to raise RM3 billion for distribution to the people through a price reduction.
2100: The one-hour live debate gets underway at Balai Budaya. The moderator warns against raising irrelevant issues. Both speakers receive decent applause.
Share your comments on the debate over TV9, Astro Awani and Bernama TV from 9.00pm. This live write up is specially for those of you who don’t have access to these three stations and those abroad who would like to follow the debate. Please note this is not a verbatim transcript; it just covers the main points raised or emphasised and paraphrases much of what was said.
- Why are we subsidising the profitable IPPs?
- Subsidy? What subsidy? Aiyah, I don’t understand-lah…
- Why the generous subsidies for IPPs?
- Petronas barrels in record RM96b profit as oil prices soar
- It’s a jungle out there! Oil price hike madness…
thanks, with your effort, I can enjoy the debate as if I am sitting in front of TV.
Which mean, Shabery is willing to take Anwar’s idea, in order to protect his/BN’s ruling position? They might have to pay big amount of ‘royalty’ for Anwar’s idea, huh?
2125: In 2006, when there was a price hike, the government said it would improve public transport. Now they are saying that they are going to use the substantial savings for the benefit of the people. Can we believe that?
Shabery: All the countries that have cheap oil - Look at Venezuela and Iran, look at their high inflation rates. We can now overcome our food price crisis. Our rice is cheaper than Thailand. We don’t have to demonstrate on the road or hold indecent concerts.
I thought this answer from the Minister of Information is a clear reflection of his inadequate sense of hearing and understanding.
The question of who wins who lose does not arise.
However, now we know exactly what Anwar will do if he takes over the gomen. As for Ahmad Sabery,being a Minister he cannot do much but got to defend the gomen whatever it takes. What upset me,is the personal attack embark by Sabery in the course of his arguement.
cheers.
It was so clear that Anwar was speaking like a PM, with substance, precise and professional. Shabery was no match at all, nothing new in his arguments and looked like someone very desparate grasping for straws as he could not rebut Anwar’s argument and had to resort to personal attacks.
Anwar! stop debating with kids. Orang tanya Utara dia jawab Selatan. Anyway it was pleasure to hear our future PM speak and indeed a relief to have identified that we actually have clowns in the August House.
My opinion is that Shaberry touches more on ‘historical’ happenings and to some extent made personal attacks on anwar which may be perceived as his inability to provide relavant answers to some of the questions.
Shabery completely avoided the transportation improvement topic. The IPP issue is also beaten around. You go to Port DIckson you can see another new IPP (Jimah Power) is being built. We only need 15 % excess power. We are already producing 40% extra and the government is allowing another new IPP to produce.
As net producer isn’t petronas earning more with the new petrol price. Or is it we are buying expensive have another long term sealed contract to sell cheap?
Toll charges also come under the same non reversable contact!
Why don’t Shabery compare with Thailand. Net impoter. Fuel price is high. What about food and essential items? Even the papaya on the road costs more then in Thailand. No Road Tax and toll.
May be government can set up another cabinet committee to sit on this issue.
Looks like there will be a cabinet reshuffle tomorrow as Shabery Chik lost the debate… hehehhe
To me Shabery just got himself buried by Anwar…
I managed to listen to the debate live online. I’m actually delighted that the debate which didn’t involve any racial comments. I’m happy with the outcome of the debate. I think we need to acknowledge that Shabery has the guts to debate with Anwar unlike other UMNO leader. So, I want to thank Shabery.
Shabery eventhough he is MP of Kemaman (Where PETRONAS have a big interest there (anyway, Kerteh is one of the kampung at Kemaman)), he spoke cluelessly about the oil&gas industry and PETRONAS data tabled by him were inaccurate at all.
Bravo Anuar,
Cool as ice - when personal attack.
Shabery - small boy still learning how to talk.
Shabery gang - The Tan Sri - shaky question like he have no confident - product of rusty mind.
Anwar gang - as confident as Anwar.
Winner - ANWAR IBRAHIM.
RAJRAMAN - piss of about Anwar because few times talking about bumiputra.So indian and chinese will dream like me as MALAYSIAN PUTRA IN MY DREAM.
Hitting below the belt. That’s what Shabery did.
Agree. However you look at it we have to give credit to Shabery. At least he has the guts. Not hiding behind controlled media (and young handsome boy?) to make attacks. Shabery may have made a fool of himself (and UMNO) but he enabled history tonight.
This debate shows the government didn’t think carefully when reducing the oil subsidy. Didn’t he know that Malaysia has one of the highest oil retail price in the market compared to all oil producing nation. With the oil price up, inflation has risen. What is next, a possible raise in bank interest rate due to perceive inflation? What will happen to all the poor people suffering. The rich politician doesn’t understand the situation on the ground at all. I hope the government will do something about it, else all Malaysian will suffer.
Shaberry is not in the main stream, the A or N group, but with the R group. Maybe, he is prepare to be buried.
Shabery delving into the past to make cheap personal attacks on Anwar is unbecoming. He even goes back to 1974 Baling demo - how low can you go? Just keep to the issue, s…!
Thanks for the update. Unfortunately, I did not have the plug in for live ISP streaming.
Looks like Shabery doesn’t understand what are the ground rules of a debate except to attack Anwar on a personal basis. Being an information minister, i can safely conclude that the information coming from the BN will thus be shallow and childish.
Perhaps, Shabery should spend more time in Indonesia just by watching the 10 free to air national TV and the quality of the live debates, everyday covering a whole range of topics from politics to religion and most importantly, what matters most to the rakyat.
Basically Anwar is saying that if we don’t have enough cloth to make a shirt, we can cut some from the curtain, some from the bed sheet, etc, and we can get a shirt. That’s fighting spirit. Shabery is just throwing his hands up and saying there is nothing we can do, everyone is facing the same problem, talking is easy, blah, blah, blah! If Malaysia is to survive in this competitive global environment we need fighters like Anwar!
Shabery should resign tomorrow. He’s not fit to be an information minister. Kalah teruklah. What a shame to Malaysia to have such historian minister. Stop talking about the past etc. People’s are suffering now because of the ignorance minister like you.
I watched the debate on TV and I have to say that Shabery is of no matched to Anwar. Anwar clearly won the debate hands down.
Why? Because while Anwar answered all questions precisely, factually, to the point and without staying away from the original questions, Shabery was beating about the bush, running in circles, talking stories, attacked Anwar personally, and running out of topic on most occasions.
It was obvious that while Anwar came to proved a point, Shabery came to shame, discredit and humiliate Anwar with below the belt attacked on Anwar personal character. Everything, but to answer the questions.
But then again, maybe he didn’t know how to answer them.
I think Shabery did very well holding his own against Anwar although he did resort to personal attacks on several occasions referring to Anwar’s past as a firebrand youth leader as well as his time in the govt. But who can blame him when you’re up against a legendary orator!
Generally the debate went well and I wish it could have carried on longer. The only “blemish” was the idiotic panel member of Shabery who tried to show what a smarta** he was by asking a couple of stupid questions. (esp the 2nd one)
Hopefully we will see more of such debates in the near future.
cantek la anil,
thank you for the posting. i’m at work in manchester uk
tak boleh nak view the streaming telecast. nasib baik jumpa your reportage.
http://ceritarassa.blogspot.com/
Well, I’m eager to see what is tomorrow’s news about this.
“Shabery Resigns”?
As expected from Anwar, he was quick on his tongue and mind.
As expected from Shabery aka UMNO, he resorted to personal and below the waist attacks.
Anyway, the debate was way too short…haiz(backside and seat also haven warm yet)
Shabery says “The debate shows how open the government has become” So he admits the government has been closed and secretive. But one debate does not an open government make.
Parliament is closed by the Speaker, the television and radio stations are closed to the Pakatan politicians, the mainstream media except Malaysiakini are closed to criticism of the government…etc..so whither open government. And now Anwar faces another round of political persecution.
Shabery’s government is as open as a bank vault and if everything can be debated in the public arena it would be warming the opposition benches in parliament now. It is an insult to our intelligence that Shabery instead of debating the facts tried to hoodwink us.
Anwar won the debate not because he is clever but the facts speak for themselves. Fuel price rises are a global problem true but the UMNO led government has messed up the management of the country and they would rather send a Pin-UP boy into space, and spend the people’s money on expensive aeroplanes, build white elehphent sports stadium overseas..etc…than help the rakyat.
YB Shabery, anda kena kotakan janji untuk letak jawatan jika anda gagal dalam debat ini, ternyata anda telah gagal dengan teruk, jadi saya yakin anda akan letak jawatan dalam masa terdekat. Walau bagaimanapun tahniah kerana keberanian anda.
i wonder if AAB or najib dare to debate live like this. Well, we know the answer to that.
For once I’m going to say this, Anwar did better than Shabery. I thought only Anwar loves to play behind, but this time Shabery has proven that he does it better..
I am glad that the debate was conducted in a very civil manner that nothing untowards happened during the debate.
I respect Shabery for his guts and his willingness to broadcast the debate live. I cannot imagine any other UMNO person doing that.
However, he is obviously no match for Anwar. He didn’t answer most of the questions and came up with vague generalisations and personal attacks.
It is quite obvious who won the debate.
I’m over the moon nearly everyone above came out with similar conclusions. Anwar won hands down. He is PM all but in name.
Now the damage control is in full swing.
There’s just one person I wish to sincerely thank for allowing this to proceed. Three cheers for Pak Lah!
Why is BN compare us with Iran and Venezuela, they have high inflation because of US and UN sanction!!
Stupido.
I think Shabbery Cheek needs to enroll basic economics class. He said despite providing subsidies, countries such as Iran and Venezuela. still faces inflation
These countries are facing sanctions and, on top of that they are importer of food. Firstly, when a country faces sanctions there will be limited supply of goods, hence this would cause inflation. Also, when a country depended importing food from overseas, the price of food sold in the importing country will definitely increase by much higher percentage if the global food price increases. This is “imported inflation”.
If Shabbery do not know these basic fundamentals, I suggest he resign from the ministerial post. But than again, he seems to be much more intelligent than PM Badawi or any of the 4th Floor boys!
Two Political Analyst in Bernama TV claimed sort of victory for Ahmed Shabery. Outright bias. Unlike Astro Awani, at least the panel analyst give a fair comments to both speakers.
Here is my reply in one of our local forum:
The debate was just barely a minute over. And I couldn’t help but to open this specific thread to discuss about the debate. I know there is some ongoing discussion in another thread but I wish to have a dedicated one for this. After all, I think the topic does deserve to have it’s individual thread - it is something we never witness in our country’s political scene.
I stayed opened and neutral throughout the debate. I tried not to be biased or prejudice. But this is what i saw during the debate.
For one, I feel that Dato’ Seri Anwar did very well in staying within the topic - giving hard facts with number and figures, tackling questions with wisdom and knowledge and once a while, humor us with his cynic remark.
Shabery on the other end, totally went off track. Reminding us about the history of Petronas and NOT answering questions asked. Worst still, he was out there only with one mission - character assassination. What meant to be a intellectual debate between the Opposition and the ruling party turned to be a personal attack practice. I take that as being unprofessional and unintelligent.
Here’s a recap of the debate. I try to recall it from memory. I hope I didn’t get it wrong. Correct me if i did. During the question time, Anwar’s representative asked a question which i think couldn’t be any simpler. I rephrase it:
QUOTE
” During the 90’s the government had increased the fuel price by 30 sen. From that price increase, the government managed to saved RM X billion. The money was supposed to channel to improve public transport and facilities. But we did not see such thing happen. Why do you (Shabery) think that by increasing the fuel price again now, the government can help the people with the money saved from fuel subsidies? ”
Simple question. But somehow Shabery made it look difficult. Not only he did not answer the question, he managed to lost me in his speech. Now, note that I am highly proficient with my Bahasa Kebangsaan. But Shabery made me doubt if I really did score an A1 for my SPM Bahasa Malaysia.
Second - a question by Shabery’s aide to Shabery himself. Again, a rephrase:
” Among all the steps that could be taken, why do you think Dato’ Seri Anwar chose to decrease the fuel price to help to lift the rakyat’s burden? Why not abolish or reduce the taxes? Why not help the poor to buy houses in the urban area?”
Take note that this is Shabery’s aide question to Shabery himself. Now, my question is… why didn’t he just ask Anwar himself?! Hey, this is like me asking your friend why do you like to wear your underpants outside when I could always just ask YOU because you’re just standing next to me! What is the person who asked the question again? Chancellor of some University? Oh my…
Then again, even THIS question, Shabery failed to hit the bull’s eye. Again he demonstrate his unrivaled skills of memutar belitkan soalan. Hebat!
Shabery brought out this question twice during the debate.
QUOTE
“I’ve heard this speech (that the Pakatan Rakyat will bring down the fuel price) before the General Elections. Why only reduce 50sen? It should be below RM1.92 because you’ve made this announcement before the General Election.”
Probably he can’t remember well (but don’t seem like it too because he keep repeating 1974’s Petronas history…weird @_@) but Anwar did answer that question during the debate. According to Anwar, the 50 sen reduction are (my comments are in bracket):
1. Only an introductory reduction when the Pakatan Rakyat take over. (This hinting that further reduction is still possible)
2. The Pakatan Rakyat could only bring down as much as 50 sen because they’re being responsible and reasonable. And the fact that the recent steep hike of 78 sen had worsen the economy. (And thus, it is impossible to bring down the price below RM1.92 because some of the fund are needed to repair the damage done)
I am impressed by Dato’ Seri Anwar for not steeping as low as Shabery and resort to personal attack. In the end, my verdict is Anwar 1 - Shabery 0.
Note: Again, please correct any of the facts if they’re wrong.
Dont ask shabery to resign.
Why?
At least we knows who is stupid and which stupid send him to Anuar.
At least Shabery altou a small boy but salute for him to take the challenge.
Najib?
Abdullah?
Well they will send their cronies,and when the cronies lost they just dump him.
Rajraman.gots guts to say but no guts to face.
I agreed with ali allah diita. It does not not matter who win or lose, at leasr Shabery had the gut and the wiilingness to take on a live debate with Anwar. For that Shabery had create Malaysia history and a good procedent fotr the country.
I am sick with personal attack from Shabery. I tot supposed to debate on oil price !! Shabery should have been disqualified !
if in a debate competition. I really see no reason to add in all kinds of personal attack here and there. What is the point ?
DSAI …. You are a real man. You were not responded to his personal attack on you.
I just cannot fathom, what sort of Info Minister(s)lah have we got representing Malaysia… Dulu ZAM, now The Cheek??? Aiyohhhhh, so memalukan, lah!!!
Shabery though did not hsve sufficient subtance to handle Anwar I must praise him for his gut in the debate. Where is our PM and DPM? None actually darn to face Anwar, especially our … DPM. UMNO was able to save theie face simjply because they send Shabery and gusee what - RTM snd TV3 just avoid the air the debate because it would go nation wide. The BN just try to avoid it. The same gose to the Home Affair Minister, putting up road block by blaming the PR protest. God sake - dont you ver think the public is stupid !!! It is time you guys back uo and return home. PR should be matching in..
Can’t you guys see Shabery drooling (at both sides of his mouth). If this debate last for one hour without tv commercials i’m sure he will freak out or at leat puke.
2125: In 2006, when there was a price hike, the government said it would improve public transport. Now they are saying that they are going to use the substantial savings for the benefit of the people. Can we believe that?
Shabery: All the countries that have cheap oil - Look at Venezuela and Iran, look at their high inflation rates. We can now overcome our food price crisis. Our rice is cheaper than Thailand. We don’t have to demonstrate on the road or hold indecent concerts.
In my personal opinion, I do think that Shabery answered the question.
From Anwar:”Now they are saying that they are going to use the substantial savings for the benefit of the people.”
Shabery:”We can now overcome our food price crisis. Our rice is cheaper than Thailand.”
This is a clear answer from Shabery that the government use the substantial savings to overcome the food price crisis with the hope to benefit the people.
Shabery Cheeky is a Joker in front of millions of Malaysians. Compared to Anwar, he is no where near to Anwar’s calibre as a spokeperson, a debater, an economist, a strategist, and also a gentleman. We see today, Anwar a great leader with a heart and great humility who can speak out his concerns without resorting to personal attacks which this Cheeky Joker tried so hard but to no avail. Anwar spoke the FACTs. He shared his wisdom without Kiasu. This is what we Rakyat wants to hear, to know the FACTs, not personal attacks which is a waste of our time.
This Cheeky Joker does not deserve to speak at this very important debate. How we wish our PM or his Deputy was there to answer important questions.
Huuuuuuhhhhh.
As expected, Shabery resort to personnel attacked against anwar. this how UMNO teach their members of not answering and debating to the topic but running around the bush.
Shabery shame on u, being anak trengganu as I am, u are blank may be nervous to face anwar and others.
U should resign..done wait AAB to sack u….this is silly grandfather excuses.
I might be wrong, why The Star and The New Straits Times have different stories regarding to this debate outcome? I think they’re being bias towards the current government.
correction:
at least
I must congratulate both debators for being on stage with calm without name calling. Though the debate did not arrive at some positive solutions to the current economic crisis as a result of the increase in price of oil, l must say Syabas to Shabery Cheek for taking on a tough, experienced polished and convincing orator Anwar. I also noticed that Shabery was well prepared but Anwar was not, but anwered well given his vast experience in politics and oratory power.
This is the first time we see a very mature debate and hope that it will not be the last one. Congratulations to both and the warm hand shake between the two after the debate. Lets hope that this similar spirit prevails in Parliament.
BET U! Tomorrow PM and BN’s gangs will claim victory in the debate in most newspapers.
No matter what, this debate session is very good to the public. Should encourage more such debate if the govt dare.
This is a “restricted” debate, if only Saudara Anwar had been given
two hours to present his case he would have turned the debate
upside down and Sabery would have joined Pakatan Rakyat
still trying to bulls*** d rakyat on live-telecast,shabery ohh shabery,dont have to listen wat u say,body language speaks it all,ole ole ole ole DSAI loud N clear!!! SYABAS!!!
It all started fine, until Strawberry starts flinging accusations at Anwar and Pakatan. As matter of fact any invitation by Goverment does not show openness. In fact any invitation by Goverment, I highly regard with much suspicions. And I am sure the Rakyat also feels the same. The objective is to attack and humiliate Anwar with staged questions and answers. I feel like Anwar has walked into a trap; just like Raja Petra when he was also invited on the Blog show. Does the government need to try so hard to stress on the point they are now being more open? If you are truly open, you need not advertise and tell the whole world about it. I will have to salute Anwar as he tried his very best to debate and stick to the discussion. Whereas the same cannot be said about the host Strawberry camp they as are tried hard to paint Anwar in a bad light. And how miserably they have failed.
I respect Shabery’s guts but too but wrong person for the debate (attacking personal). I can’t blame him cause that what BN doo. Send the wrong person for the wrong job. That’s why we lose Batu Putih.
Anyway more worst was Nordin (Shabery’s panel). Is he politician or academic. Why is he condenming Anwar. He shall just ask questions. VC of UUM, no wonder our univesities is rank so badly in the world. Again wrong person for wrong job. ONLY IN MALAYSIA
Anwar is the obvious winner not because of his oratory skill but facts and again substantiated facts !
Shabery being the ” best among the best representative” picked from BN camp is no matched ! That shows BN lacked quality people even for debating, not to mention to manage the Nation…
I hope more similar debates will be held in future to enable the affected public get the first hand views and points from people from the top… we need pros and cons to make the equation balanced.
Sha biri-biri doesn’t understand questions… sigh!
By product of MOE/BN/UMNO. Lari topik.
Personal attack and history lesson cannot solve problems.
Wake up……
Looking forward for a new Information Minister soon.
Anwar presented his case and conducted himself like a Prime Minister. He was poised, he was patient, factual, responded to questions, to the point and most of all, did not succumb to retaliate to the innuendos and personal attacks. Bravo.
I know there are many of us out there who are doubtful about this man, but I personally believe that we have no one better to lead this country than the man we saw on tv just now. I hope Malaysians would give him the chance…
My Prediction: the BN control press will twist the facts and sing and heap praise on Shabbery’s debate and Claim UMNO victory and the news will editted and show Shabbery’s attack on Anwar.
We, the rakyat only know the real facts. let Anwar leds and reduces the oil price, as we know UMNO BN would do nothing.
Anwar won the debate hands down.
I was disgusted by the personal attacks by the information minister. Also the way he side stepped the 4 billion savings question in 2006 was shameful
Anwar basically said 3 things :-
1. He doesn’t intend to strip mine Petronas.
2. He wants to use some of the profit handed back to the government to reduce the price of oil in the short term.
3. He wants to manage and minimise wastage,leakage and corruption in the government and use the money saved to subsidise the fuel and spur the economy.
Cheers to him for not responding to the personal attacks.
I think, that, Shabery was attempting to avoid questions repeatedly, and he even , maybe rehearsed what he wanted to present !! Really humiliating from the Information Minister, as he was representing the Federal Government.
Score Card - out of a possible 10 points.
DSAI Shabby
1. Debating skills - 9 4
2. Body language - 9 3
3. Confidence - 10 2
4. Content(Relevant
Facts) - 8 2
5.Overall presentation -9 2
The whole debate was a non event. Shabby was floundering all about and instead of arguing his case on the subject at hand, he chose to mumble away and meander over matters of the past (when DSAI was DPM). He was not able to deal with the points raised by DSAI nor was he able to speak convincingly on points raised by the 2 other people as well as by the moderator.
Fact of the matter is, any fool who has s*** in his pants will always be unable to speak convincingly - Hey, it is really difficult when you need to tell a lie to cover another. Even Najib sounded and looked stupid when he was recently asked at an interview why Saiful had seen him to ‘report’ the fact that he had been Sodomised by DSAI.
Najib and Badawi were very wise to run and hide when confronted with the possibility of facing DSAI. Much easier to send a kindergarten kid and in the meantime hide behind the IGP and AG.
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i was able to watch the debats on TV show in TV 9.
we shall say this method of “civilised” way od debating policy is a healthy one. however, the sad thing is that the state own - TV stations should air such crucial issue concerned the rakyat.
MIC general assembly took few hours to be aired last few days in state own TV. but this oil issues was not taken seriuosly and regards as no news value. i guess the director of the state own TV shall do a honest survey of the “news value:”. otherwise they will be “outdared’!
secondly, seems like there is no concrete proposed policies to deal woith the oil proces increased impact to rakyat- shabery speech donot mentiond, instead om defensive notion and attcked anwar personally, am indeed dissapointed with him as i knew him when he was in semangat 46 time. He seems more honest in the past than now.
the devate like political answer/
thiirdly, for anwatr (i am not sure whether is pakatan rakyat common policy).
some of his suggestion is good abt the TNB and IPP and reduced 50 cents,
anyhow,being a international appeal and kmown political thinker and leader, i am expecting he will touch about our foreign policy in oil politics and how the malaysia and others third world should response.
the increasing oil prices international has it factor cause by the world oil politics, superpower and the giant oil companies.
i think pakatan rakyat has to list down their concrete alternative policy on oil, alternative sustainble and enviromentaly friendly policoies as soon as possible. and also how asean can be part of this plan and making ourselves more self sustained in food, local resources.
if pakaran rakyat want to rule the nation, they shall ready with concrete alternative policies altative from now.
instead consume time in making “hopping”-getting BN MP to jump or
go for people power on street thinking malaysia can change rulling party via “people power” like filipina and indonesia. etc.
maybe will happen.
anyhow, after habing power. are we ready with better, concrete and real alternative policu for malaysia?
we need many statemen/women in this country.
can we find it in the midst of this politics in transition now???
I saw the debate and I have full respect for Anwar as a person who has great mental strength considering the pressure that he is under at the moment… possible arrest tomorrow.
I believe that he should be given a chance to prove that he can save Malaysia. Shabbery Cheek while being more relaxed than Anwar, seems to be unable to answer questions posed and relies a lot on personal attck to score points.
My vote goes to Anwar.
Whenever Anwar speaks, I feel the way whenever I watch Obama making his live speeches ~ they both mesmerised me.
If this debate program is to go on for future debates, professionalisms must be observed at all times. Shabery just lost his credibilities when he used personal attacks as his weapon of counter-arguements. That was like a coffee-shop style of debate in a kampung. Definitely, no match for Anwar. But hats off to him for having the guts to do this. Can’t imagine Zam doing this…hahahaha
Hats off to our future PM and my mentor.
guess Cheek didnt realise he is going to get chewed “live” today
shame on him for mounting personal attacks
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I’m respected Anwar talked for the fact, his comments was represented Malaysia have capable people like him, know to analyse, judge and understand the people difficulty, try to look for solution for the people. Not Like Shabery having the BN mindset, just talked about globalization inflation, no solution for the people, try to defend BN colony, and came with personal attack in this forum, shown the unsporting behaviour.
It a good debate,Anwar is more right on all topic.
Shabbery is more protecting to BN even so much wrong is done
But i suppost he is a politician,i just hope he see thing change soon.
“we have to give credit to Shabery. At least he has the guts”
“I respect Shabery for his guts and his willingness to broadcast ”
Have anyone thought of the possibility that Shabery, out of ignorance and ego may think he can outshine Dato Seri Anwar ???
And that this is his opportunity for glory.
To me, he is naive rather than brave.
Just look at the stage presence of Dato Seri and Sabery …….
As i viewed this debate on Tv
As for anwar, he did a great. Spoke like a PM. Very factual
As for sabbery, he should honour his words by steping down.
NST (own by UMNO) reported no winner as shown below:
Anwar - Ahmad Shabery live TV debate ends with no clear winner
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KUALA LUMPUR, Tues:
KUALA LUMPUR, Tues: The historic and widely anticipated debate on fuel prices between Information Minister Datuk Ahmad Shabery Cheek and PKR de facto leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim proceeded smoothly tonight at Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka, the first time an Opposition leader debated with a Cabinet Minister on live TV. However, the organisers did not declare a winner.
Both leaders pushed their party-centric agenda: Ahmad Shabery defended the sudden fuel price hikes as inevitable while Anwar promised a 50 sen slash if his Pakatan Rakyat alliance was in power.
The unprecedented debate was moderated by former Utusan Malaysia editor-in-chief and NST columnist Datuk Johan Jaafar. The topic of the debate was “Form a government today, fuel prices will decrease tomorrow.” The debate was aired on TV9.
The debate was well-coordinated and the time keeping strictly enforced by Johan, with both leaders getting no leeway but did not also try to scrape for more time.
Anwar started his argument by maintaining that if his Pakatan Rakyat alliance was in power, fuel prices would be slashed by 50 sen to RM2.20.
He claimed that the spike in fuel price was recommended by the World Bank.
He concluded that Malaysia’s fuel price hike was too much and too high, and cannot be compared to other countries like Venezuela.
“There is a breakpoint in oil prices where it may stop climbing and start dwindling,” he said.
Anwar called for a review of the Government contracts with independent power producers, claiming that under the current conditions now, they profited more than Petronas.
He questioned the premise that Malaysian oil wells will dry up by 2015, saying that with proper drilling capacity, Petronas can prolong the lives of the oil wells.
Anwar warned that if the Government does not do anything to alleviate the burden of the people affected by the high oil prices, the economy will deteriorate within three months and unemployment will skyrocket.
He finished by injecting some political statement. “Accusatory lies have limits and God willing, I will contest in a by-election soon,” he said to applause by his supporters inside the hall where the debate took place.
Ahmad Shabery dismissed Anwar’s promise as a populist and impractical move.
“Anwar, like when he was a student leader in the 1970s, was more comfortable staging street demonstrations rather than coming out with concrete proposals to check the inflationary crisis,” he said.
In closing, Shabery criticised Anwar for his opposition stance, citing that he challenged the late Tun Abdul Razak Hussein when he formed Petronas and also challenged former Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad when he improved Petronas’ performance.
“Despite the gloomy outlook, our country is better off than most countries with an anticipated six per cent growth this year,” he said.
Ahmad Shabery also took a political dig on Anwar, saying that if Anwar had been in power, open debates such as these would never have been allowed.
There were good and bad in the debate.
The good being the whole idea of an open debate such as this to bring to attention what’s in the coalition and opposition on a same global matter that’s of interest - fuel hike!
The bad, that is the manner which Shabery kept hitting at DSAI for the past and more like personal which showed the minister’s lack of maturity in self defense to DSAI’s intelligent points.
I have to say DSAI is a BIG man and I admired the way he hit back only with the Agenda in mind but never on a personal basis. Looking up to you DSAI to take the premiership of this country. It’s ok if it’s not by Sep ‘08 as there are many personal attacks against you that you have to take care. I think it may stretch to the 1st quarter of next year, but nevertheless, we’re waiting for a great mind like you for us to proudly say to the world that the Malaysian PM is Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim!
Bravo to the live telecast which showed the true colors of idiotic characters that we called leader (i.e. Shabery).
Inability to understand questions and answering like form 1 debater and he should learn economy before debating. Even though I do not support BA (Anwar) and BN, I feel embarrassed by personal attack on Anwar by Shabery.
I agree with Anuar that the government should stop the leakages (IPP and etc) and work for the goodness of the people.
Venezuella (duh) , ha ha ha
bravo sdr anwar
Who won is a forgone conclusion. Lets have more of such debate.
Anwar won the debate without a doubt. Shabeery should resign coz of his poor performance..even he did say so beforehand. I feel sorry for him. He was lost and he didn’t seemed to know how to answer the questions..even basic fundamental economy. He keeps making cheap personal attacks on Anwar. How could he become a minister?? Anyhow, at least he got the b**** to debate..oh yes..with the famous legendary speaker in the country of all times !
I think Shabery weapon is ex-DPM, and he did a lot of wrong comparison as below
1. During Anwar as DPM, we have strong economy.
2. That time our petrol price is very low.
3. Compare to those better life style countries in Europe. (very stupid)
4. We have settle food crisis? We suppose have to, we are surrounded by sea, we have a lot of land for plantation but we wasted! Do u see a lot of land is abandon along the peninsular, reserve for waste!
I think this fella is a good historian, keen to dig the past.
I also agree not to hold the subsidy forever, but at least have to upgrade our life style! Furthermore, we are in economy crisis now!
They save all the money from subsidy but used for their politic purposes. Where is the committed transportation? Why they cancel Penang projects? Do u believe their integrity to change???
Where they spend the money in the past 30 years? Our nation expenditure is 54% of GDP, highest in the world. Who took it? CORRUPTION! corruption took ours money, and now we have to pay more to sustain our life.
We have expensive petrol, car and pay for tolls. Are we deserved for these?
BN people must bear in mind, people against the hike not because we not willing to pay more or intentionally against the gov, everyone need to have better life standard, not only u as BN MPs can have this!
I think u better fulfill ur commitment to render the resignation letter
Year 2015 figure was given by Petronas President during his TV briefing on the assumption that no new reserve is found.. Is there anybody else more qualified than him? I’m disappointed that Anwar didnt give an answer as to what will be done should our oil reserve fully depleted. Will the oil price remain subsidised?
As to Shabery, he could have done better by not hitting Anwar personally as it is not within the topic.
But I think personally, both debaters deviated in their answers from the questions asked. The moderator should have been more active by pressing the speakers to only answer the questions asked.
Further, how do we verify the facts given by both parties? Petronas President should be invited to at least be present during the debate to interject in the event wrong datas are quoted.
All in all, more debates should be organized in future so that venues are given to all parties to present their views.
I can see Anuar is in total control, he has good and clear direction of what he intend to do as a future PM.
We have confident in Anuar to be the next PM.
Well done.
the minister got nicely grilled!
I’m just amused by this BN g***, with bubbles of saliva accumulating on both corners of his lips as he talked, constantly licking it away with his tongue. I think he is nervous as hell. Why? no substance lah.
At least he got the guts to volunteer for the debate against Anwar. No like some(one) who says he will debate Anwar if given chance but stays at home watching live debate tonight.
Even when he speaks in the parliament, he is actually reading whole time from notes. Imagine he’s the one debating tonight, he would have challenge Anwar to fight when speechless.. haha
Why was Strawberry frothing at the sides of his mouth when he talked during the debate?
Shadery had the guts unfortunetely he made couple of personal
attacks. Please ask him to understand what the panelist ask before
he answer blindly. Bodoh pun manusia.
I’m really impressed with the way DSAI spoke today. He was very alert and gave a valid answer’s to all the questions that was thrown to him today.I’m really impressed with DSAI on how he stayed calm over the personal attack made By Shabery(BN). He is showed to be a very good role model to our country and im sure he will be a great leader to our nation.DSAI has a great confident and when he speaks ..he speaks the fact unlike Shabery today…running away from most questions and when he cant answer he keeps throwing personal attack to DSAI. Not worth being a Information Minister. Shame on Shabery.He should have been prof and given a better answer to prove a point to the nation(rakyat) but instead he was talking crap and running away from all the question ask…
I find DSAI will be a GREAT leader and i hope malaysians will vote for DSAI for our better future. He is a Fighter and im sure a Fighter will prove not only to himself but to all malaysians and the world that he is the BEST leader for malaysian history..He will make malaysia to be a better place to live. So let us give him a chance…
Regards,
Siti Mariam
No doubt Ahmad Shabery is a rank lower than Anwar in debating issues and convincing people. Ask on the street (and the online poll) and you will know definitely the victory is Anwar’s for this debate.
However, who win or lose aside, it is important that we see things from other perspective. Public debate on important issues like oil subsidy policies and others should be done more often in public space, be it TV, radio, internet, etc. Not only top leaders like Anwar Ibrahim or Shabery, but also the mid-level political leaders because
Anwar alone, however “superman” he is, cannot possibly reverse the current state of dismay in Malaysia politics and economy. Can other people in PR think, talk and debate like Anwar? Can we have more BN leaders standing up to deabte in public than Shabery? Can we hold more public discussion and forums, with genuine purpose of gathering important public opinion, attended by politicians from both sides? Can we have a healthier and wider space of public discourse, rather than backdoor deals, hasty decision-making and overnight fuel price increase announcement?
It’s not a Sec School debate contest, who win is not important. But the gesture to debate in open, to put up sensible opinion, to be testified by the whole nation in making statement, are all crucial. May there be more open debate on TV, we could save some BN propaganda airtime for open debate, right?
MR Cheek was crushed outright.
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shabery still got cheeks bulls****ing all d way,think rakyat stupid ah!cheeks to defend those gomen!cheeks for personal attack onDSAI!shabery oh shabery..pls honour ur word by stepping down wit cheeks,or we might just call u shabery chicks!!!
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Anwar won without a doubt.
And the govt lost a good chance to defend the fuel hike decision.
They also mess up big time with the character assassination on Anwar.
Conclusion:
Shabery should resign. The people have spoken.
Bravo Datuk Anwar, u are truely our reformation leader.U have facts,idea and vision. Very soon the day will come u will be our Prime Minister to reform our country . I can see the makkal sakti through ur debate.
Congrats DSAI!
I enjoyed the debate today and you did a great job by xplaining to us how we could reduce the oil price.You are a fantastic speaker and i must say that when u speak i heart beats fast coz u spk like americans..very firm and confident in ur answers and i believe in you that you wud be a good PM.
Let others say what they want to say…its part of life and take it easy…Shabery needs to educate himself and this shows that BN has no valid reasons on why they hike up the price over night. To bad for BN, instead of answering question directly, he was banging DSAI..very bad impression on information minister and BN….
keep up your good work DSAI and dont worry..
MALAYSIANS ARE WITH YOU .
You will make malaysian’s dream come true…
Well done DSAI
Regards,
VP Vikram
Today rebate seem like our current government was prepared to lost it. They send Shabery for it. If lost they will said Anwar bully junior. If Shabery won, they will say a junior also cannot win how to become prime minister.
That’s the style of our government, you will realize it if you follow all the news day by day. They like to tell Rakyat it’s a fact all countries in these world suffer from oil price hike but they also tell Rakyat not to simply say something result in earning you a ISA. If not mistaken, USA don’t have ISA.
Back to same question to our government from Rakyat: “Where all our hard earn taxation money goes?”
valga hindraf valga anwar ibrahim we love u sir ANWAR U ARE A CHAMPION
Bravo to DSAI.! Shaberry made a fool out of himself. If this is what Shabbery had to say the we Malaysians are further screwed.GOD save Malaysia! PM please wake up! Accept DSAI and work with him. Put ur personal views aside and SAVE MALAYSIA.Please Please!
Bravo to DSAI.! Shaberry made a fool out of himself. If this is what Shabbery had to say and offer and then we Malaysians are further screwed.GOD save Malaysia! PM please wake up! Accept DSAI and work with him. Put ur personal views aside and SAVE MALAYSIA.Please Please!
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anwar future pm….dont think so….!!!!
its a shame to pak dollah and najib if subri dont resign tomorrow..heew shame on u.. well done Datuk Seri Anuar the next PM..
Interesting debate….i just read the news on Petronas huge earning and fully agree with Anwar’s suggestion to squeeze a small portion of it to bring down the petrol price immediately! Atleast, all M’sian would be able to enjoy immediate benefit rather than seeing all the $ going into all kind of “projects” which might ended up with loop holes, corruption, etc….
Serajudin, when you say that Shabery was well prepared and Anwar was not, I think that you are not using your brains when watching the debate. What I see is that Shabery was well prepared to personally attack Anwar.
Citizenken, your prediction is correct. I watched the TV3 niteline after the debate and your prediction was absolutely correct.
Syabas to Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, our Prime Minister in waiting. InsyaAlah. LONG LIVE ANWAR!
well, Anwar is out of the topics. the topics is all about what he promise during the elections. just refer to Shabery wion the debates la…bro…. Anwar has got another debates tomorrow at the Police HQ Kl.
This his my 2nd chance to see the calm and eloquent Datuk Seri Anwar(1st being his PKR Ceramah in Muar, Johor) deliver his facts and finally this time, he’s gotten the chance to voice out what he had wanted to deliver all along on national TV.
DS Anwar’s points for debate was plain, straighforward and simple. To raise the facts that the people are suffering, the govt. ain’t doing much, and the detrimental outcome of the nation’s economic state that will eventually escalate to bigger issues and problems in the coming months should the petrol price hike situation not be resolved. When petroleum prices skyrocket, everything else (manufacturing, transport, F&B, etc.) follows suit. Its a domino effect.
Shabery could not provide a strong re-buttal to DS Anwar’s facts as they are prevalent in our everyday lives. Those who are seated comfortably at the top would not feel much of the pinch that the rest of us do, especially those families and individuals who have a tight planned budget without much room for adjustment in their expenditure. When a fuel price hike like this throws a monkey wrench in everyone’s financial budget, obviously something has to be done and fast!
DS Anwar’s point of re-allocating and reducing certain payouts/ dividends/ revenue to lower the petrol price is very very sensible. He had mentioned this in his ceramah in Muar and he also did mention at that time that he had foreseen that the BN govt. would schedule for a price increase after the General Elections. True enough.
The debate was scheduled for 1 1/2 hours (based on the program time slot), which was cut short after almost an hour and i think the final segment was cancelled. They had to do it. Another 1/2 hour and DS Anwar would have caused severe embarassment, damage and destruction to the BN rep. Of course, the TV network may euphemistically coin it as, “running out of time” or something similar to that.
Anyhow, this debate had a clear winner, and beyond a shadow of a doubt it is Datuk Seri Anwar!
The real winner ofcoz is Rakyat !! Malaysia need this kind of open debate !! Amazing to watch !!
however, DSAI got what he wants on mains stream media and done it very well and sounds like gentleman indeed.
As Shabery now become Shabiri , He had succeeded followed planted “personal attack” script from Umno ON DSAI !! You think
percayalah !! … percayalah !! …. and people will percaya you
Let me tell you i the first will not percaya until you show the facts …. What a joke …. you are running out of idea to defence.
SO, the winner of personal attack goes to …..indeed and as expected Mr Shabiri … bravo brader.
Cheer mate
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he(DSAI)is the champion my friend..n he”ll keepon fighting wit BN(lawan tetap lawan)he”s our champion,he”s rakyat champion,in no time you”ll see it,he will surely make it(PM)defeating BN….sang by:Shabery mercury
Shabery should have done better. There were a lot of points that Anwar raised which could be easily answered.
As a nation, our oil reserve don’t even put us in the top 15. However, Petronas, with its investment in overseas, is ranked in the top 15 oil producer in the world, bigger than Shell or Conoco. Petronas has develop itself to be a global player and use its investment prudently to take it to such a position. If we were to compare correctly, we just have to look across the sea to our neighbour Indonesia. They had a bigger oil reserve than Malaysia, but alas Pertamina is nowhere near Petronas, and Indonesia has ended up as an oil exporter. Anwar is taking a gamble on the fact that discovery of more oil field can lengthen the position of Malaysia as a net exporter. Is it prudent to change Petronas reinvestment policy at this point of time? It is a gamble, which would lead to short term benefit to rakyat (certain) but at a cost for the future.
I don’t understand Anwar’s calculation on RM3 billion as compared to the RM5 billion rebate that the government is giving. Based on the math, that translate to 200 liters per vehicle (msia has about 7.5m cars), which suggest he would have to plough more from the IPPs.
Shabery should also highlight per capita income is very misleading -we should look at purchasing power instead and if I’m not mistaken Msia is ranked 30+ while Norway is 40+. It might have 10 times capita income, but it’s also 10x more expensive to live there.
The second part is Shabery should have challenged Anwar on redistribution of Petronas wealth. The idea of having a ’subsidised’ price provide false economy to the public, and in now way curb excess usage. It is far better to redirect the fund directly to the poor. (I am not saying that the govt does this well -in fact its poor at it, but this is a better method than subsidising price). This should also involves infrastucture spend on public transportation. It is also good fiscal policy to spend more money during recessionary periods to boost the economy (Keynes), not to mention the economic multiplier that it creates.
It is true that oil prices creates inflationary pressure, but we have been artificially insulated all these while prices are going up. This had led to many imprudent spending patterns (just look at the number of single occupancy vehicles whilst usage of public transport is very minimal - for info companies like Rapid KL has huge fleet, but utilisation is far from breaking even), including over-gearing (credit card debt, etc).
One valid point from Anwar is on the excess power that TNB has to take on from Gen Zero IPPs, which are at the same time sold fuel at a discounted rate. However, this involve changing contracts that were made, which would change debt ratings, and put serious issue on msian contract stability (and our foreign investment). But at the same time, Anwar should have lambasted the govt on how it distribute contracts, whether we are getting our money worth for all the savings and petronas dividend we receive. That I think Shabery can’t asnwer!.
My point on the whole thing is whilst Anwar is a good speaker, Shabery came nowhere near in challenging any of his points. I thought he would have come well equipped, since most of the points Anwar raised have been mentioned again and again before and could easily been strike off.
I am not pro government - but am strongly for facts and truth!
firstly.. Shabery… pls try & wipe the foam from your mouth next time u do public speaking,k?…
Ok… the minister had 2 things going 4 him..
1) he had d b*** to be there
2) he hit on the only good point of the nite from him - why only 50sens when DSAI promised to reduce fuel price from RM1.92.
However, DSAI answered (2) quite astutely.. & defused the point.
Overall… from a pure debate point of view, it was a clear DSAI won…. professionalism, well thought answers, charming personality… his opponent had to resort to personal attacks to get applause.
So DSAI 1, Shabery 0… PR 1, BN 0…Rakyat 1, Gomen 0
last point… that Nordin Kardi fella was obviously a back-up speaker for Shabery… it was more like a statement than a question!!
DSAI, rightfully & good naturedly chidded him too!
hmm… ok… DSAI 2, BN 0!!
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The crux of the matter, Reduce or wipe out corruption = Savings for the country which could even be use to ease the burden of the rakyat.
How could BN defend against that? lolx
still, it’s a great eye-opener to us, eventhough it might not be to the ruling regime because of its denial syndrome.
And for those who only goes for ‘character assasination’, you know when you’re lost.
The debate is history. Anwar and the truth won. The important thing to do now is to protect him from being unfairly jailed again because of the spurious sodomy charge.
It is the conspirators that is doing all the sodomizing…these wretched and evil people are Hell-bent on destroying Anwar by hook or crook and every justice-minded Malaysian should come to Anwar’s aid.
They must voice out their disgust and take to the streets non-violently and let their angst be felt by those who have no respect for the rakyat and the rule of law.
Shame on AAB and his police state. Shame on the police who act like slavish eunuchs of the emperor in (allegedly) carrying out the diry work of those (alleged) conspirators.
this monday, during the umno=get=together assembly, shabery will be given public caning by his boss for his dismal performance. yes, he deserves it.
We can see the different between Anwar & BN Leader. (We should not call them leader).
Anwar- Find the way when there are crisis.
BN Leader - accept the crisis and don’t know how to fight with it. just like, if you got nothing to eat, just stay there and die.
Hey. Mis-information Minister, the today topic is about petrol not history or Anwar… Anwar have teach this Mis-information minister about when the world petrol price increase, The exporter will gain more, but this stupid minister keep talking the increase is due to world price. Anwar have give him the position of petronas - top 10 in terms of capital. this stupid minister still not understand and said that petronas is a very small petro company..??? Not understand why our Info Minister always “Mis-information”????
The meeting of two different minds on a single platform :
one a debate on fuel hike and the other an election campaign on personal character of his opponent.
After all, it is called a debate.
I hate the personel attack by Shabery.
anil,
Praise for you.
The best ever hits in your blogs like life telecast.
Now - whats your opinion?
Please summerise it in your accountant brain - is Anwar capable or not in economic points that if he came to power - the petrol price can be reduce or not?
Rajraman.Asking the right man in economic view point.
STILL HATE ANWAR ALTOU I SUPPORT HIM.
Hats off to Sabery Cheek for doing the BN undoable. You have what the world call - guts. But the eating garbarge in Fear Factor also needs guts.
Nevertheless Sabery and his alikes rubber stamped and sealed the true reflection of a stereo-type governance of the government of the day. Dwell on a topic by hitting below the below of the Rakyat’s belt!
Anwar’s vision of an agony reduction war on the population is embraced by Sabery’s personal attacks.
What relevance has the Baling demonstration of 1974 bring upon the RM2.70 per litre of petrol?
What happened to the RM4.3 Million coffered from the 2006 price rocketting? Sabery’s answer - Anwar hates Tun Razak; Anwar loves IMF?
Bottomline….Sabery has successfully given the Rakyat the “What to do next” menu on a Silver Platter. Terima kasih and Malaysia Boleh
Yeah Shaberry seems to go astray all the time… Anwar also have some astray moment especially went being attack on personel ground..
overall it is a “good” debate…
Anyway, it is just something political… Will the oil price come down ?? I dont think so… Will Anwar become a PM… I also doubt it..
Only if the Government could listen and follow Anwar suggestions….
As malaysian,we sat in front of TV aiming to know what the government can do in the future, not to hear what Shabery was dwelling in the past history and the present lies of Badawi government.
I can only sum up the debate with this simple remark - the teacher VS the student. The teacher who is AI and the student who is SC. As the teacher preaches on current events and solutions to resolve it whereas the student prefers to dwell on past decisions which may have been appropraite at that time. We are not interested in what happen years ago and the decision at that time, what we want to know is solutions to current events that is making it very hard for ordinary citizens like us to make ends meet.
Kudos to Shabery in taking up the challenge to face DSAI. You made history brother. I bet you no other minister in BN will dare face up to DSAI in a fiery debate. Yes….Shabery did tripped over a few question but he also responded with confidence on some of the queries. Shabery will be a good addition to Pakatan. Well done!! As for DSAI, I rather give you 2 years as PM to reform the country than to give 2 years to Badawi/Najib today.
Shabery showed his ineptitude with his below-the-belt punches. When in doubt, when stuck without a good response, try throwing some mud. Cheap tricks.
And Anwar shone when he turned-his-other-cheek and instead of responding in kind, got down to the business of using the very few minutes allocated to expound his points. With valid facts and figures.
I am not a fan of Anwar, and it is true he does have a lot ot answer for regarding his time as DPM and Finance Minister.
But in these challenging times, I think Anwar - if he holds true to his promises - can use that deep insight from those days in power to turn this country round.
With steps and measures far removed from the flip-flops and fire-fighting fiascoes we have witnessed recently.
Massive mistakes which caused so very many of the rakyat untold grief and suffering, followed by ineffective U-turns and kostans compounded by hollow excuses.
Locally and globally, these are desparate times. Even the well managed economies with hugh reserves have to be on their toes.
Malaysia needs capable and honest leaders and ministers. The nation needs steady hands which to me are sorely lacking amongst those in power currently.
(It bears mentioning at this point that past leaders with highly questionable track records should do well to stop sniping with blatantly hypocritical darts too. Rubbing salt into our painful wounds with lies and deceit.)
I have no confidence in Abdullah Badawi and his Cabinet. I do not think that Malaysia can count on this captain and his crew. I want a change. NOW!
The debate was totally one side and DSAI was the clear winner.
The basics are very simple, the current BN government has no clue on managing under crisis.
All the points raise were not answered at all by Shabery, especially the part of where the money supposedly saved by the oil subsidy is utilized by the BN government for the rakyat in terms of transportation projects.
The plain point of gradual increase of the petrol price rather than the abrupt increase by 40% is also not gasped by the BN government.
Managing under crisis would basically mean lining up a series of benefits and programs before increasing the oil price but this was NOT done. Now we can see various programs trying to be initiated as an after thought, this clearly shows mismanagement and personal interest at play.
If the BN government is willing to listen to constructive criticism, we should see the price of oil reduced by RM0.50 and measures being implemented in a transparent manner to show the rakyat details and cost reduction and savings of wasteful mega project.
For a better Malaysia
Shaberry was not answering the questions, he was just repeating what he must have memorised the previous night.
Anwar on the other hand answered most questions very well, he even gave a very good answer for the question Shaberry himself asked: “What do you do when there is no more oil in malysia after 2015″. Check out Anwar’s answer in You Tube.
Score is : Pakatan 1 : Barisan 0
One hour debate on air was not fully utilised..too much on personal attack and this not happenned once but this personal attack on DSAI was repeated again and again. Very unprofessional.
Anyway opportunity for ‘rakyat’ to judge their leader. Hoping to see a more ‘clean’ debate in future.
Good Job Mr Anuar, Well done on your debate. The best part everyone who involve in the debate has prepared their card to ask question to Mr Anuar,which they have prepared 1 weeks earlier I supposed, however Mr Anuar replying the answer by using his heart and brain at that point of time. Appreciate a lot Mr Anuar because you talk with facts and figure for future growth. shebry talks history and information only. If there is next debate should involve PM or Deputy PM debate rather then sending a small boy.
Anwar Ibrahim 1 Joseph Goebbels 0
So, there!
It was a big waste for the nation not to have a such good leader as Dato Anuar Ibrahim who has vision and solution to over come our economic criss. Instead of that corruption and mis management of the malaysian economic leading the entire nation into disaster. The confident presented by dato anuar ibrahim very convening to accept his idea to over come our criss. But shabery is very poor leader who represent Barisan National clearly show they are incapable of handling the issue but try to hide on the name of global and past story. We are not living in the past world but heading to future. So i don’t know why Shabery was talking about past incidence.
Information minister who can’t inform.
He won’t resign, cause resignation would mean that he lost. and MSM will spin it like either BN won or the rakyat won. Either way, half true cause AI won the debate. But do allow more debates like this in the future. i would like to see Kit Siang Vs Kah Ting or Pandikar Vs Teck Lee
The debate shows how a good orator can convince the audience on his issues by means of talking. And talk is cheap and that’s about it. It was just talk. Just the same when we do it at the mamak stall or kopitiam. Doing and implementing things is another story. In the end, the debate confirms the burden of the current government in doing things to get us through the tough times economically and politically and the personal aspiration of a person wanting so much to become the PM for whatever reason, who had his chance 10 years ago but screwed up doing it.
As usual the mainstream media (like TV3 on Nightline), only quoted what Shabery said and not a single line of response by Anwar. As if Anwar was totally outdone by Shabery.
Best of all Shahrir Samad said Anwar is not convincing at all. This Shahrir is full of c*** and the way I see it, he should be in the debate and have his butt kicked by Anwar.
Only a fool will fall for that TV3 reporting bulls***.
Thank you so much for the minute to minute summary Anil.
Shabery did not give any new insights on how this fuel hike issue ought to be tackled. He was like a broken down record player repeating all the propaganda that we’ve been hearing since the fuel hike. His personal attacks towards DSAI was completely uncalled for and obviously out of the scope of the debate. The chairperson should have steered him to keeping his arguments on topic.
DSAI kept to the facts, did not retaliate and stoop to Shabery’s personal attacks at him. That takes a lot for someone who is going through so much lately. And it says volumes about his character.
DSAI is a true leader. Our PM in the making. When I hear him speak, I am inspired. Hope swells within me. That a change is so very near.
sdr. anawar won d debate hands down.
Shabery’ personal attack shown UMNO did not change at all after 308 political tsunami, and the other hand Anwar shown his leadership
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too over to say that, because UMNO, BN this country became so good… this is the point that public don`t like BN any more…. Must behave now……… People is asking petrol not party…..
We have a mix family of difference races and we do debate from time to time over politic, domestic and social issues. Today we sat and watched an all American style debate Two points that we noticed
Annuar is a leader of PKR while IM is not projected to be the PM or DPM . The later has nothing to worry he tried his best to defend BN
Annuar was a perfect gentlemen and stay to the topic on the debate
IM was using the debate to defend BN and 75% or move was focused on
personnel insults and going round the bush.
IM is a winner for being brave and has the courage
Annuar is the overall winner on the debate and strike on .
The VC of UUM -Made a mockery himself by asking stupied Q…God please help Malaysian Universities….
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