Penang land reclamation: ‘The incompetent leading the unwilling to do the unnecessary’

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Our guest writer today is Eric Britton, who discusses the land reclamation in southern Penang island, which is linked to the over-the-top SRS proposal for the Penang transport masterplan.

Step 1: Dump the land reclamation plan which has no good reason for existing. It is a rapacious, wrong-minded insult to the people of Penang, to the environment, nature, culture, wellbeing and way of life. You are being held hostage by your government for no good reason. And certainly, not that of needing more money to finance a ridiculous “transport master plan” that cannot stand independent international inspection.

Again and again and again, when it comes to “transport master planning” in Penang, it seems as if we always end up circling the same old structurally wrong thing. And in the process allowing the undertrained proponents of the Big Bang “solution” of the present government package to occupy the centre of the debate. This is a huge mistake.

It is my position that the starting place for responsible and effective transport planning and policy in Penang is NOT to link it to land deals — but to look at the challenge in and of itself from a well-defined, explicit strategic perspective. Some will say that they do not have enough money to accomplish their objectives — which quickly become wild, pharaonic, costly and not related to the real problems and priorities at hand. Remember, transport for people and not for cars (infrastructure included)

Here is the simple question that the policy-makers need to ask and resolve:

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(a) What is it that they can accomplish for the people of Penang,
(b) working with available resources in order to
(c) alleviate the day-to-day mobility problems of the people of Penang – with
(d) especial attention to the needs of the poorer half of society and the vulnerable populations (elderly, disabled, poor, isolated, non-car owners, and
(e) above all, women of all ages and stations of life, and all that
(f) in the coming four years, ie, 2017-2020.

How hard is that? And why is no one minding this store? Please someone, tell me why this is not being done.

Prof Emeritus Eric Britton
Sustainable Development, Economy and Democracy
Institut Supérieur de Gestion, Paris

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Divya Adinarayanan
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Qbay front..shown one picture in the developer brochure..but extending much more in reality

Albert Tay
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Reclamation Projects at Danga Bay, Johor Bahru Listen to the pains of a fisherman The reclamation works on the Straits of Johor have affected coastal and riverine fishermen all along its coast. The destruction of mangrove, the quality of water, pollution and so forth have reduced the numbers of fish, crustaceans and other marine life that provide these fishermen with a livelihood. The Malay and a family of Chinese fishermen share Kampung Bakar Batu with an Orang Seletar community. The Orang Seletar live in a 14-acre Asli Reserve — at least for now they are safe from the property developers… Read more »
tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

Dubai developer offers BMWs with apartment purchases
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/dubai-developer-offers-bmws-apartment-042241340.html
Desperate times call for desperate measures?
Are there fishy-fishes in the BMWs?

Alif
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Alif
China developers offer china customers ‘buy one free one’ – pay for a China property with price inflated and get a free one in Iskandar Johor. This is a way for the Chinese nationals to ‘move their money’ out of the country (as China has strict control on movement of Renminbi out of the country), so as to have an asset overseas, in case one day they have to escape PRC for reasons known to them. A win-win-win for the China developers, China buyers and those influential people in Johor. The ultimate losers are Johoreans paying inflated price for their… Read more »
tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

Is Johor leadership (political or otherwise) caring of its people? I doubt.
All the showmanship are sadiwaras to harness popularity support which is an easy game to blind the people with no thinking caps. The more popular, the more one should open the 2 eyes.
Think: while some can invest & buy up more properties in Australia or buy monster trucks for public road shows, what can you invest in or have any spare Ringgit to better your life?

Happy 2017
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Happy 2017

Three of China’s biggest property developers are changing the face of the southern Malaysian state of Johor just across a narrow strait from Singapore. R & F, Greenland and above all, Country Garden, are undertaking ambitious residential and commercial projects in the fast growing Iskandar economic region. Initial skepticism that these developers could actually pull of their grand plans is giving way to enthusiasm from investors, locals and the Malaysian government as the projects rapidly take shape.

tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

The rapid growth of cities in the developing world is placing enormous demands on urban food supply systems.
Read: FAO’s role in urban agriculture
http://www.fao.org/urban-agriculture/en/
Key facts:
Urban agriculture is practised by 800 million people worldwide
It helps low-income urban residents save money on food purchases
In many countries, urban agriculture is still informal and sometimes illegal
FAO promotes policies that recognize urban food production as a legitimate land use and economic activity

David Loman
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David Loman

CCTV: urban farming provides sustainable solutions

YYT
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YYT

Again a good example in Singapore!

zoro
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zoro

No, when people go to kopi tiams they drive, drink and eat. Now people have modern day diseases like high blood pressure, fatty liver and diabetes. Penang lang over eat and food left over are dumped. Please sustainable is also include how we eat not just building or reclamation.

Shunshui
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Shunshui

Be careful of gutter oil now that cooking oil no longer subsidised.

IT.Scheiss
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IT.Scheiss
Penang lang might soon be doing what the ancient Romans did, before the decline and fall of the Roman Empire that is:- “That’s not to say the Romans were unfamiliar with throwing up, or that they never did so on purpose. On the contrary, in ancient times vomiting seems to have been a standard part of the fine-dining experience. In his Moral Epistles the Roman philosopher Seneca writes, Cum ad cenandum discubuimus, alius sputa deterget, alius reliquias temulentorum [toro] subditus colligit, “When we recline at a banquet, one [slave] wipes up the spittle; another, situated beneath [the table], collects the… Read more »
zoro
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zoro

anil why not take away the airport and put it in kedah. too much noise pollution and traffic to airport. why we need tourists and potential migrants afterall since 308, penang is no longer belong to pg lang

zoro
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zoro

again vinducate pg forum has its self interest. once get rid of airport there is so much land available. but again who in pg forum wants to swim against federal

tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

So, you prefer to “screw-up” Penang?

Ho Say Leow
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Ho Say Leow

New Penang attractions like Link Bike, Rainbow Komtar Top and Penang Hill The Habitat Skywalker get no mention in this blog. Not sure if the locals welcome these additions?

David Loman
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David Loman

Penang island could no longer rely on low cost manufacturing (lost competitive edge to neighboring countries) and somehow could not move up to high tech manufacturing (lack of skills and expertise, no investment). Already retrenchment has hit the manufacturing sector very hard in 2016.

Penangites may have to rely to service sector (tourism, F&B) for income. Like it or not many will have to welcome the ‘additions’ eg. The revitalization of Komtar to attract tourist dollars.

Ringgit has lost 6% since Trump’s shock victory in the US presidential election on November 8.

tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

You mean all the many trips overseas (since 308) by state gomen & InvestPenang have gone to waste?
Lawat sambil salah-menyalah (blame-game) + akhirnya tak dapat langsung laburan?
Where is strategic thinking cap @ 28th Floor Komtar?

zoro
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zoro

you want gomen to sit down and wait fo r any business? you think gomen is like penang road market waiting for customers? any business there are winners and loserd but you want to win all the time.

tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

Go ask Niao Kong why it cannot get any-more FDI.
Lawat sambil salah-menyalah (blame-game) is not going to work, understood?
Btw, do you buy from a salesman who “cucuk orang lain”?

YYT
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YYT

Good attractions to bring in tourist dollars to Penang island as more manufacturers are moving out and retrenching workers.

Rajoo
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Rajoo

Unless you curi curi Malaysia to afford overseas holidays, most commoners like me have to settle for cuti cuti Malaysia, so can bring my family to visit Penang and the newKomtar attractions.

glissantia
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glissantia
Consider the mess of disparate, dysfunctional modes in Klang Valley. At one time, competing private buses and minibuses were good enough. They even kept taxis under control. Now, they have consortium buses, a few token municipal buses (free), feeder buses, monorail, LRT, MRT, thuggish taxis (the licences of most of which are held by non-drivers) and of course illegal taxis. Together which changes to road names, blocking of road traffic for the many VIPs and fake VIPs, slow response to accidents, floods and superficial oversight, it is a nightmare for most people, let alone visitors and the disabled. Foreigners own… Read more »
zoro
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zoro

first time i hear pg state gomen can issue transport permits. true?? you mean state gomen not doing a good job on bike track or public more interest in using cars than bicycles. pg gomen borrow money or exchange sea bed fot lrt?

tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

‘The incompetent leading the unwilling to do the unnecessary’ should learn from the Scandinavian countries.
Do you see high rise condos, snaking highways, sea reclamations & what else cement to accommodate anticipated population increase? Nope.
Yet their productivity & happiness quotient is way above ours. We should learn from them how they manage their lives – work, travel, recreation, social interaction, even the bin-chui of the Scandinavians. They seem more happy & balanced without the chase of Money + Glitziness of Cosmopolitan.

IT.Scheiss
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IT.Scheiss
The problem is not due to there being an UMNO, BN, DAP. PKR or whatever party government but the mentality of the populace who regard a concrete jungle as a measure of “development” and “sophistication”. Before the 2008 GE, I thought that a Pakatan government would curtail some of the excesses of building, building and more building under a BN government but after eight years, it has become pretty obvious that they are no different, whether in Penang or Selangor where I live. At the end of the day, it looks like the property developers are the proverbial pipers who… Read more »
Shafiq Ishmael
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In johore n melaka BN state they reclaim land like no tomorrow, why no one make noise

tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

Seemingly no blogs like anilnetto.com in Melaka or Johor doesn’t mean no dissatisfaction.
These 2 states should have more NGOs like Penang to fight for a common cause.

YYT
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YYT

The famous Johor blogger is Peggy Loh, who support every development by the state government:
http://ppunlimited.blogspot.my

tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

I am very sorry for the average Johoreans who have to suffer in the near future….

Calvin Sankaran
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Calvin Sankaran
How that affect the issue we are discussing here? Are you saying that just because Penang is ruled by DAP we should not criticize the state government ? What’s the difference between BN and DAP then? You remember how Penangites protested (including here in this blog) about the PGCC and PORR? This included the very people who occupy the KOMTAR’s 28th floor. What are you saying is that now that Penang is under DAP, all Penangites should just shut up and put up with whatever the Dear Leader Lim says in the spirit of “LGE knows the best”. It is… Read more »
tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

Take away the habit of worshipping political idols & the earth will heal!
Open the 3rd eye to see more clearly & the mind will detox of rhetorics naturally.
What is infallible under the heaven? 9-lives entities?

IT.Scheiss
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IT.Scheiss

“It is the blind and rabid political supporters who are leading the state into ruin,”

Well said, Calvin and thanks to Anil for this blog.

YYT
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YYT

Look at this trailer of a Forest City at Johor Bahru by PRC developer Country Garden:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IE2hY-eRb-8

Huang Lei
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Huang Lei

The scale of this Forest City project is so big, makes me wonder how many Malaysians can afford to live on those man-made islands. I do not think Singaporeans will be interested. Nobody complain…?

zoro
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zoro

so mighty and even fishermen and no one here swim against the trend. but here they can bully the state.

tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

Nobody complain? You must be joking!!!

gk ong
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gk ong

Forest City is the key sponsor to JDT football team (Luaskan Kuasamu), injecting cash to pay high-salaried players, while Kelantan FA and Selangor FA are both cash-strapped and could possibly miss next seaon Liga Super. So no complaint from Bangsa Johor?

tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

… Bangsa Johor … Unless their income level is above the national average, one is ignorant of the undercurrent dissatisfaction ( of unsustainable living standard ) like an ostrich buried in the frenzied pursuit of unsustainable development at the expense of the average Rakyat….

gk ong
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gk ong

It is considered hip to be associated as Bangsa Johor, just ask Harith Iskandar.

Anyway many head south to be pseudo Bangsa Johor to earn SingDollar in order to amplify their purchasing power 3x in Iskandar zone.

David Loman
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David Loman

Many fresh graduates have high confidence in the vision of ‘high income nation’. 30% of them want to be paid as high as RM6500 to live comfortably. Is this due to high order thinking skills among the fresh graduates?

https://hornbillunleashed.wordpress.com/2016/12/23/jobstreet-unrealistic-salary-demands-reason-why-fresh-grads-are-unemployed/

gk ong
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gk ong

Perhaps Prof Eric Britton could comment on this Forest City project after viewing the trailer video?

The fact that it is having its iwn CIQ means it is targeting foreigners, likely to be Ang Moh expats in Singapore?

Joe P
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Joe P

Eric Button has to be careful not to criticise those development in Iskandar Johor. He should know the influential and powerful one is behind those development.

tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

Recent Dubai’s property bubble + financial collapse is a good lesson but we will never learn from them other than to imitate them like Arabs!

David Loman
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David Loman

Watch this promotional video of R&F Princess Cove, the Condominium project next to the JB causeway by PRC developer/influential Johorean:

R&F Princess Cove, Iskandar Malaysia – Why You Should Buy This Property

gk ong
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gk ong

Any idea how much the Johor fishermen were compensated when the reclamation of Rapid Project at Pengerang, and the current Forest City project?

tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
Playing the usual quick-route blame game (tinged with political innuendos) is not what the whole contentious issue is about to solve, if any going by the way of fantasised political saviour. It should draw-down on what the state as an authority has as available resources to maximise for purposes in its planning. Not to tango with corporations which have no inkling of what’s best for the state & people. We all know too well the trickle of state development funds from the Feds which has limited development potentials but there are financially prudent (not tua-kang-spendthrift of future’s money) options to… Read more »
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Bigjoe
You are dead WRONG. Transport IS ABOUT MONEY FIRST. Like it or not, it IS ECONOMICS which by definition says it hopefully end up being about lives. WORST, for states even for Najib, govt money is about LAND. In Penang, its EVEN WORST BECAUSE IT HAS NO LAND LIKE OTHER STATES. The plan is ambitious and not exactly precision high standard planning. BUT since when is Malaysia capable of it? OUR ENTIRE ECONOMIC SYSTEM IS IN FACT STILL VERY CRUDE, there is current heated debate, despite growth for so many decades while other countries have moved up technology in much… Read more »
tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

Singland is now facing problems.
Global slowdown means no more money coming, so money is still SGD King?
No other options to think out of the SingLand Box?

zoro
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zoro

try harder. it is still 3ringgit to 1 sing. but what do you expect a small island. just like indo produce cheap palm oil than malaysia. how to sustain driving 4wd with donkey bars in front in penang town

gk ong
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gk ong

Malaysian Ringgit today fell to its weakest level since 1998 Asian financial crisis. So unlikely for Najib to take risk for early election. Meanwhile one Singapore dollar will get you RM3.08 at the money changer today.

zoro
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zoro

tun lang forget thousands pg lg cari makan and sing dollars in singland whereas sing lang are buying properities in pg. try harder…

David Loman
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David Loman

Watch this interesting clip on Singapore Kranji Reserves and the Eco-farm:
《新加坡小惊喜》12月21日:畅游克兰芝自然生态保护区悠闲度日

zoro
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zoro

He should try harder on progressing and moving ahead like singland and china which send 2 spacemen in their first docking rather than barking incessantly. No wonder Penang is losing its talent because we have people chasing Penang sons and daughters due to backward thinking.

David Loman
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David Loman

Are Singaporeans ready to take on the future economy?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=546VF64SfPo

Catch this new talk show “It Matters: The Future of Us”, and hear from Minister Chan Chun Sing, Minister-of-State Koh Poh Koon, SMS Sim Ann, Parliament Sec Low Yen Ling, and MOS Koh Poh Koon, as well as other panellists, as they discuss jobs, skills, innovation and what this means against the backdrop of digital disruption in Singapore.

For more information, visit http://www.futureeconomy.sg.

tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
More than digital disruption, Singland is going to face trade disruptions & more so should Trump decides to raise import taxes (45%?) on Chinese goods to protect American businesses. How to overcome dumping of cheap Chinese goods as a duty-free country when TaiKo PRC is aiming for Asian & Pacific trade block (like EU) & may not use USD as medium of exchange but Renminbi? Singland cosiness with US now comes with a price of uncertainty (coming US President Trump, US interest rate rise, outflow of investment from Asia back to US, possible China dumping of US Bonds & Currency… Read more »
gk ong
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gk ong

Singapore has FTA (Free Trade Agreement) with USA, thus its export could be exempted from Trump’s proposed 10% import duty?

Does Malaysia has FTA with USA? Or Malaysia is still pinning hope on TPPA?

gk ong
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gk ong

Singapore has FTA (Free Trade Agreement) with USA, thus its export could be exempted from Trump’s proposed 10% import duty?

Does Malaysia has FTA with USA? Or Malaysia is still pinning hope on TPPA?

tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

Obama is history, TPPA is history, American influence (in S.E.A.) is history.
The new paradigm shift of China geo-politics + Asian trade alliance (block) are undeniable & those who think otherwise are heading towards self-isolation like Taiwan.
Trump is putting US with its ‘looking inward’ policies in reverse gear from globalisation of free trade & foreign investment.
And China is very quick to fill in that void left by US. So, who is the next big global trading partner to benefit from? It’s a no brainer!

Huang Lei
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Huang Lei

Talented Malaysians are helping Singapore to progress under meritocracy system, to embrace the structural change into the new economy as Singapore is aiming to replace U.K. As a FinTech (Financisl Technology) centre following Brexit.

zoro
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zoro

sing is moving forward we still talk about race, religion, buying 4wds and getting cheap labours and yet we silent … to it. our minds just focus on barking and complains full of negative ions. we have low vision.

Bigjoe
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Bigjoe

What happened to my last line? Its a fact..Ultimately the end game of insistence by the left without realistic timed solutions. The Russian ambassador in Turkey just got shot proves my point. Those who did not vote for Hillary Clinton and complain about Trump better prepare. Our left here could do much much worst than those

tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
The Clintons are now history! So much for the misuse of high security server for personal emails & questionable fiascos of US Embassy seige in Benghazi, Libya 2012 (Americans won’t forget the “Black Hawk Down” fiasco in Mogadishu 1993 under the stewardship of President Bill Clinton). Those dead US Marines will always haunt the Clintons every Christmas Eve for decades to come. And not least of all, the widening gap between the haves & have-nots of Americans, thanks to free market liberalism espoused by the Democrats. People still living under bridges, in dark sewage tunnels, MRT stations & abandoned buildings… Read more »
zoro
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zoro

go back to tongsan in mao’s era where pg lg send money, bicycles and sewing machines to relatives. mao’s era is long gone with chinese all over the world even in darkest africa.

Calvin Sankaran
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Calvin Sankaran
It is you and the blind and delusional DAP supporters who are dead wrong and still live in the La La Land. Firstly stop giving excuses about DAP unable to perform as per Penangites’ expectation because they don’t control Putrajaya. If this is true, then just ask LGE and his regime to resign and pass the baton back to Gerakan until PH takes over Putrajaya – it is a pathetic excuse to justify poor governance. Secondly, if public transport is all about money then you know nothing about public transport. Only the ignorant will say such thing because in their… Read more »
tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

I wonder how some folks who have been living (maybe suffering) under LKY authoritarianism in SingLand can now easily rebuke any gomen changing the behaviour of the people!
Are they already in delusion of past experience for the good of society & knowing the attractive numbers in dollars + cents decide to sing Money, Money, Money to the swapping tunes of Komtar Alley CAT?
You can’t fathom their hidden desires until they open their mouth!

zoro
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zoro

People just blind and love to bark over everything with approval from anil but ban my barking. Unless … can’t see who line up for days to pay respect to LKY and he desires his built in 50’s residence to demolish if no one is staying there. If authoritarianism why people queing for days to see him for less than 1 minute.

zoro
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zoro

I doubt you take public transport and one of the 40% missing in rapid bus. Since you work in hong kong you can see the difference between Penang rapid and the HK public bus system. Further senior citizens in Hong Kong just pay RM1 for any single trip any distance.
You should tell … to buck up over East coast line and high speed train and public transport for KL and Penang since they control the permit and finances.

Calvin Sankaran
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Calvin Sankaran
Like many I don’t mind using public transport system as long it is convenient. I always take the public transport in HK, SG and even KL. However Penang is very far behind in public transportation when compared to these cities. Why blame RapidPenang when it is just a transportation company? The real culprits are the elected people’s reps sitting at the 28th Floor of KOMTAR. They are the one ultimately responsible to ensure Penang has a good public transportation system that is efficient logistically and cost wise. Why are you so concerned about East Coast Rail link or the Forest… Read more »
tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

Calvin, you cannot reason with a troll, much less a political worshipper whose ‘fortune’ may be hinged on the operatic sandiwara of his Deity.
A wrong is always a right. A twist is all it takes!
Let Karma takes its course. No worry.

Gwynn Jenkins
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it goes agains greener, cleaner penang too

Seng Aun Teoh
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Definitely goes against Sustainability Development.

zoro
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zoro

no land how to sustain. new york build into the sky to sustain

zoro
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zoro

60% taking public buses and roads ard taking 140% traffic. tell us how to sustain in both cases.

Lee KokEng
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Simple explanation of this project: Before Reclaim, southern Penang belong to Rakyat; after reclaim, the ownership [ultimately] transfer to [private interests]…

tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

Similarly,
Before 308, soul of Penang belongs to Penangites,
After 308 & Cosmopolitan Penang Frenzies, soul of Penang buried under islands & condos & highways!
To these despicables, even selling grandmas is not an option!

zoro
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zoro

before is empty and now is land. reclamation is like planting durian trees. if no planting we eat nothing

zoro
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zoro

you mean we cant drink in kopitiams if they operates there? with more land, more opportunities like undersea aquarium, cruise love, boats, flying boats seaport, jumbo floating food court etc. empty land and spaces to unvoid.

Stefan Dawson
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That headline… epic! Good one Anil

Anil
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Anil

That’s Eric’s choice of headline, taken from a quotation by American writer Evan Wright.

tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

That headline speaks volume of a state administration claiming to be an angel steward for Penang but in acts playing the fool with Penangites. It still dreams of 308 euphoria to still blind all of us in its politico-corporate tango on the seas. Such ARROGANCE!

zoro
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zoro

also speaks as Action Party doing someyhing and democratic as you, roger and everyone can dissent. try to do that to federal? land up like pkr sg.

tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6
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tunglang supports Bersih 5 & coming Bersih 6

The incompetent’s classic approach to swap deal problems & insidious after-effects of land reclamations (from north to east to south) is all too commonplace for years.
CAT: “You want a fast solution to traffic jams, then don’t oppose.
No swap deals, no big money for PTMP. Cancel all swap deals, you pay compensations!”

I just want to ask CAT: “Who in the … first place went about selling swap deals like the oldest profession in the world?”
“You … ‘screwed’ up the whole thing from north to east to south!”