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Nik Aziz now wants an EGM so that “problematic” Pas leaders, who have been largely blamed for the party’s Bagan Pinang setback, can be ousted.
It’s not a moment too soon. These problematic leaders have certainly damaged the party’s image.
Nik Aziz could have read Farish Noor’s timely article here.
Dear PAS, please tell your exco to explain why there is temple demolition in Selangor. Is it because of PAS “malay majority concept” again?
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/41160-mic-blames-pakatan-government-for-temple-demolition
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Gerakan K, I believe many govt agencies are still headed by UMno (or paid?)staunch supporters. If I am the PR head in PR state, I would immediately promote my own supporters to helm all govt agencies. PR leaders are good leaders and they respect all individuals but what they get in return….sabotage by the ungrateful heads of the respective administration as can be seen in Perak (state assembly secrety), Penang (KBP), Selangor ‘s temple demolition. I hope all PR state leader will seriously look into this and put in place your men as soon as possible.
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Dear gerakan K
Please ask your Gerakan Tai Ko where is the KPI report never show to the Rakyat? We rakyat heard a lot about KPI here and there, however nothing improved Puspakom still long queue. JPJ still long queue.
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Look who`s talking here, it seem only Samy Vello the rejected and Gerakan K the degenerated over a plot used by 4 digits punters. hahaha
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Go for a EGM PAS! Better late than never before this cancerous growth becomes terminal.
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I totally agree with Nik Aziz. Cleansing is very important. 13 GE is not very far. Not many have guts to carry out such a exercise. BN is heading for trouble with the latest devlopments like, Lingam case,Tian, Teoh….the list can go on.
Bagan Pinang poll, i was a voter , and the estate indian workers were bribed.Estate workers do not have much knowledge on the Country’s poor management activities like corruption, Judiciary etc.
Pakatan need not be confused and disturbed.Carry on with with your good work.On the Rakyat is wide awake
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it better now or never,for pas to break up those hassan ali and gang,,,and those like good aziz…it clear cut once and for all….i hope this be done soon.
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between the devil and the deep blue sea…the devil can be angel..the deep blue sea will always be tsunami ..we are not voting pas…
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Brilliant comment as usual by Mr. Farish Noor. PAS is twisted-tongue; they are only interested in gaining power at all cost – after all, that’s what Islamists and the Islamism ideology is all about, (in the perception of some). Such ideology is (perceived to be) based on blind imitation of Dark Age Arabic culture!
But Islam, but most important, God, does not belong to the Arabs nor Arabic culture. It might originate from there but God is universal, for all humanity.
Just like Christ, although ‘born’ in a Jewish family and started out from Jewish culture (due to continous oppression and enslavement of poor Jews throughout centuries, whether by Arabs, including by the Pharaohs, or the Romans), but does not mean Christianity and our God belongs to the Jews.
But many Muslims cannot think rationally in that sense…(they have been influenced by aspects of) Arabic culture (that) have (portrayed) Islam as a religion of war and violence rather than religion of justice and love.
And that is among the main difference with Christianity and the mostly progressive Western civilization. Due to the Reformation in the 1500s, Christianity has progressed in to modernity, that saw the birth of Protestantism, the personalizing of religion back into private lives, the freedom towards diverse interpretation of Christianity, and the reclamation of religion from the similar racist, fascist and sexist male-elitist Vatican, for the poor and oppressed especially women/girls/gays, as intended by our Christ originally.
I suspect that the education of religious teachers from SEA and from all Muslim world, in Al-Azhar Univ in Egypt, which is the stronghold of the extremist Muslim Brotherhood, has a lot to with producing but very systematically and strategically, (many conservative) Islamic religious scholars, globally, since the 1980s. Thus why, for example, … Arabic(-style) veiling began to be enforced slowly and now agressively in schools, all over including in Malaysia and the rest of SEA, on young girls…
Further, from there, to construct a homogenous Arabic-style identity, culture and dominance over all Muslims, which are actually of diverse culture and identity, from East to West.
Al-Qaeda’s dream (the .. Taleban are mostly their most loyal footsoldiers), in alliance with (segments of the) Iranian Mullah’s regime and the Muslim Brotherhood, to see again the slow but increasing foothold of their kind of (conservative) Islamic Empire, taking place, not just in the East, but also back in the West. And that’s the great tragedy. Because such imperialism is not openly through war anymore as during the Ottoman Empire, but through the more devious and hidden Cultural Imperialism, using Islam!
And ironically, these fanatics are manipulating the Universal Human Rights, very selectively though, of cultural rights, to promote such imperialism in the Western world, and globally. And ironically, in another tragic twist, they have the hard-left gullible western ‘puppets’, especially Stalinist Marxists (who only knows how to blame the West for everything!), to defend them under such rights!
Katharina Sri (former: Noor Aza),
Germany
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Anil,
1. I have written about this in my blog.
2. I believe the Muktamar as they called it in PAS is for the pro-Erdogan group to advance their agenda.
3. I dont think they will do a vote of no confidence on Hadi and his merry pro-Ulamak band.
4.The pro-Erdogan objective is something else..their strategy is a more well-planned this time around.
5. Whatever it is, it just shows the RAKYAT one thing…that PAS-PKR-DAP are all sleeping on the same bed but having different dreams/nightmares…lol
Pakatan Rakyat in Chaos : Outsiders Interference in PAS
Part 1:
http://fz.blogsite.org/blog/2009/10/22/pakatan-rakyat-in-chaos-outsiders-interference-in-pas-part-1/
Pasrt 2:
http://fz.blogsite.org/blog/2009/10/23/pakatan-rakyat-in-chaos-outsiders-interference-in-pas-part-2/
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“5. Whatever it is, it just shows the RAKYAT one thing…that PAS-PKR-DAP are all sleeping on the same bed but having different dreams/nightmares…lol”
Fatimah, this is really the incessant nuisant screachy broken record sound from an equally broken record player.
What of BN ? They shared the same house, invited by the rakyat, but instead of taking care of it they started looting from it… bringing the whole house down.
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Whenever mere mortals take it upon themselves to speak in the name of God, more misery is the only result. This is a malady common to all religions where specific individuals/groups will hijack it for selfish control, power, glory and wealth.
Since time immemorial, the only “solution” appears to be the persistent, sincere and forthright efforts of the “minority good” who will at the very least express to the world that they will be no part of the evil.
In the final analysis, each of us actually walk a solitary path on earth, which if we do happen to walk in groups, it is not due to design but sheer coincidence of purpose and intent.
Truth does not need company to validate itself as evil does.
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Let the people choose the leaders they want. Let it be the way PAS members want. There are leaders who want to highlight ‘beer’, ‘condoms’ and ‘khalwat’ more than the economy and jobs for the people. They are putting the horse before the cart. There are members who want economic progress than comes ‘moral issues. It all depends on what the people decide. Remember that: without a sound economy the country will collapse and there will be chaos everywhere. See what is happening in Somalia, Afghanistan and other poor countries. Common sense should prevail among politicians before the country is ruined.
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Spot on Tok Guru, i jump for joy when i read this !!!
Yes, before these people, Hadi Awang, Youth Chief of PAS and that Hassan fellow need to be axed before the people, in particular, the non Malay voters turn their back on PAS.
Ya, Hadi Awang and that Youth Chief fellow (cant spell his name) wanted so much to talk with UMNO. Why? Because they think a (high-level) post would be offered to them…?
Dreaming to be Menteri Besar at the expense of the voters?
Actually, i argued and convinced my Chinese friends to vote for PAS, and now, PAS is doing these:
firstly, they wanted to have a unity talk with UMNO
secondly, they (want to) ban this and ban that
thirdly, they tell me i cant do this and i cant do that
Tok Guru, we are all adults, PAS cannot enforce its wills on people, esp non Muslims.
Actually, i do wonder whether Hassan was working with BN?
My family and I, we always respect Nik Aziz.
Long live Tok Guru and God bless you always !!!
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EGM waste of time ….. more than half of the PAS guys are same … like Umno … no principle….
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You non muslims should be smart.I think calling the PAS and PKR leadership to remove HASSAN ALI and ZULKIFLI NORDIN is not a wise move.This will be exploited by UMNO through UTUSAN MALAYSIA and TV3 telling the malay masses that PAS&PKR has become secular and the result.Malays will all vote for UMNO- BN in the next GE.You want this thing to happen.The best thing is to use your vote wisely in the next GE to remove this leaders ONLY.I believe extremist leaders in UMNO are lying low now hoping UMNO will become the dorminant force once again in BN….YOU HAVE FORGETTEN THE 121(1A) which make the civil law useless,the religion rehablition centre for apostacy and so.This is done by (keeping in line) the MCA,GERAKAN and MIC + tiong.
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Hey. Gerakan K. Are you nuts. The so called Indian Temple is (a) bogus temple. You crazy …
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This is serious action by Nik Aziz. He could have known something very wrong was going on behind his back, like a ‘secret unity talk’ with UMNO(?) and is trying to stop those ‘turncoats’ and nip it in the bud. It’s disgraceful!
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I mean Tiong (BNBC)chairman of sarawak.
Just look how the natives of Sarawak and Sabah are rob of their rights by this type of leaders. A sarawakian in the 60′s could easily marry any race/religion and religion is not a promblem.Today the situation is different when BN rule.
I THINK THE GAME IS SIMPLE-YOU MAKE ME RICH AND I PAY THE BIG TAX…..
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LBJ – great to know that there is now bogus temples ? I guess politicians are now using temples as their pawns. I pray the gods will (punish them) – especially the ones who ordered TBH’s investigation as well as Kugan’s killing
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I think it is hard for Nik Aziz to fight Hadi Awang. Look who is at his(Hadi) side, Nasharuddin, Hassan Ali, Mustapa Ali, Harun Din, all are heavyweight with top position in PAS.
The only chance for Nik Aziz is if Azizan side with him, if Pas Kedah join the Kelantan then their might be hope. That is why Nik Aziz is proposing Azizan as president.
Yet Azizan has never been seen interested to side with pakatan or UMNO. His decision sometime reflected both, like offering a position to Mahathir, or opposing the liquar ban(in Selangor).
But I think he will side with Hadi Awang, for the unity of PAS.
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Although it is difficult to challenge Hadi but Nik Aziz wisdom should be highly praised. (Maybe) Hadi and the gangs are fed up with staying in the Kg house they want Bunglow like Toyo one?
It is natural for human being with greed, hatred and delusion regardless of what religion you believe in.
I wonder what type of … deal (if any) between Hadi and the Umnoputras.
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My heart sank when i read Steve and kmkn’s comments. I agree with them.
I pity Tok Guru, he tried so hard and we saw such unity between the Malays and the Indians and the Chinese. And looks like now, these few people mentioned above are readily to ruin the trust that the non Malays put in them (PAS).
Steve, how many voters are like you? The majority of non Malay voters are blind ones la. That is why it took us 50 years to have this 308 tsunami…
I hope those good ones will help Pakatan to win votes in the next GE. Not easy though but i still want to believe it is possible…
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Come on non-muslims think rationally,dont be put off by 1 or 2 bad incidence in PR.PR is very young compared to BN.Well for your information there are many extremist like Hassan,Kulim MP in UMNO.They will show their true color once UMNO regain its strength.To refresh your memory
1.Ammending 121(1A)-result civil court lost its superiorty over syariah court.
2.Special court to rehabliate apostacy(including non-muslims) who wanted back to revert to their orignal religion.
3.Introducing religion in mykad.
4. Islamic civilzation compulsory for non-muslims
5.Sabah and Sarawak lost their status as a secular state.ETC.
The irony is this very people are now calling for 1Malaysia.Look like most non muslims because of one or two incidence are thinking that UMNO is a better devil or even a angel compare to PAS.I believe a stronger oppostion should be maintened as a check and balance against any attempt to change the constituion.Even if PR come to power we should make BN into a strong opposition.
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There are 2 types of temples. The first one is of some type of grand building or at least within a premise like a terrace house or bungalow. The second type of temple is of this case. The exact picture of this second type of temple can be viewed at http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/28053/84/
This second type of temple is just like the budget-temple without the monetary support of government/religious organization. But full deities invitation/installation procedure to that temple are fully done by the professional and that place is regarded as temple.
As malaysian living in malaysian for many years, I actually can’t believe many comments uttered by PR supporters particulary at this place (http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/28053/84/)
For example, many chinese temple like “latuk gong” / “natuk gong” (ie the cantonese pronounciation of the temple name) also build like this and considered by many chinese as a complete temple and have equal standing as the grand one.
Legality is one thing. Disrespect to deities is also another concern….
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It was a temple that never was and it was built on land illegally and without approval. So what the hue about ???. Well it only shows true colours of Samy Vello and Gerakan. When UMNO tears down such structure, they are … wagging and now when PKR do that they are instigating for their political master UMNO for more mileage. Samy & Gerakan still hasn`t got an inkling that their mileage claims will so be given to someone else. So bark for all you can and see what Najib can do for you…
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It is a joke to think that Nik Aziz is a force of good and stand for democracy. Those people who are under such delusion please re-read his past comments until he was asked to clam up by Pakatan and PAS leaders. He’s a relic from the 15th century and better of stay there.
When MCA calls for EGM, people calls it as the party in power struggle but when PAS does that it is claimed that this is for cleansing.
Frankly, PAS is the most destructive force in Malaysian politics, a cancerous lump that must be removed from Malaysian society.
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When MCA calls for EGM, people calls it as the party in power struggle but when PAS does that it is claimed that this is for cleansing.
There is no power struggle in PAS. Nik is not gunning for any post.
Frankly, PAS is the most destructive force in Malaysian politics, a cancerous lump that must be removed from Malaysian society.
That is only a (paid?) opinion while umno fit this bill to the T and evidences are aplenty to support this view.
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There is power struggle in PAS, ie Erdogan team vs Conservative team. PAS is seen as destructive because of its islamic agenda, eg attempt to ban beer, concert, and also temple in malay majority area.
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Morning Dew
There’s no power struggle ? How would you then term Nik Aziz’s unconstituitional attempt to remove a person who was elected in the party election ?
Gerakan K was right in saying that there is a power struggle between Erdogan vs Conservative team. Nik Aziz wants to consolidate his power by removing all those opposed to him.
Whatever you say about UMNO, their 52 year rule did not turn the country into another Iran, Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe or Sudan. However, PAS’ administration of Kelantan is for all to see, despite the alternative media’s romantic picture of the state. Kelantan is a failed state and that’s why you see the smartest and best Kelantanese living and working outside of the state.
I strongly urge you to read Niz Aziz’s comments made before the last GE (before 2007 that is) to gauge (his) mindset. There is absolutely no doubt that voting for PAS will lead to Talibanisation of Malaysia and a complete destruction of democracy.
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Such an EGM cuts both ways. They only had their election recently and from the mandate of the delegates the hadi group became emboldened.
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Oh S**t Up Gerakan. You are talking rubbish again. What temple????
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PAS wants EGM….
Let them do it. And do it with dignity….
Don’t be like “Mana Cina Ada”….
Got “all” the delegates to vote for their so-called agendas & then make them like “… fools” yah…!!!
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