Iraq War a “task that is from God”? Utter rubbish

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This is the woman the US corporate media are hailing as a “star is born” – the new US vice-presidential candidate from the Republican party.

This from an AP report:

ANCHORAGE, Alaska – Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a “task that is from God.”…

Palin asked the students to pray for the troops in Iraq, and noted that her eldest son, Track, was expected to be deployed there.

“Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God,” she said. “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God’s plan.”

What utter rubbish. She should look up her bible.

When the Romans came to arrest Jesus, Peter drew out his sword to save Jesus, but Jesus admonished him.

This is from Matthew Chapter 26:

Then they came forward, seized Jesus and arrested him.
51 And suddenly, one of the followers of Jesus grasped his sword and drew it; he struck the high priest’s servant and cut off his ear.
52 Jesus then said, ‘Put your sword back, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.’

Clearly Jesus was against the use of violence even when his own life was in extreme danger. It’s amazing how some people can use Christianity to justify their war-mongering. Next thing she will be saying is that it’s God’s will for the United States to occupy Iraq and control its oil wealth while creating a situation that has led to the loss of over a million Iraqi lives.

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  1. There is no better way to lay blame on GOD for republican mass murder in Iraq, actually she is such a brilliant governor that is considered by neo-con in republican party as a rising star to be the party candidate of next presidential election.

  2. Her “rubbish” was targeted for Americans and the soldiers who are too foolish to know the different between IRAQ, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. Unfortunately, many do believe her especially those die hard republicans rednecks.

  3. Of course it is “rubbish” !!!! No body with some intelligent will believe in her statement with the exception of morons and faithless people.

  4. The wicked and evil will wage “WAR” around the world in the name of GOD regardless of religion, so the simple minded and atheist will believe it is GOD who love war and sanction it. IT happened repeatedly in middle east and south America when the crusader begin their invasion of nations .

  5. She is not GOD! but a republican politician. That ‘s fact. Don’t mislead by her statement blaming GOD or Christianity to justify her party war mongering stance, she is not even a christian and can be look upon as an example of America and Christianity but a power hungry politician in Alaska.

  6. the scritpures of the world’s religions are encyclopedic texts
    that say many things. When someone selects a passage, that quote tells us more about where the individual is coming from than about
    God. The reader always plays a role in interpreting a text. Therefore people of all faiths should read their texts with a
    critical eye and be prepared to challenge passages that legitimate
    actons that violate basic human rights. Those verses that violate
    basic standards ought not be considered holy. This is what I would call “taking God’s name in vain”.

  7. The fakir “messiah” is an impulse buy for the less astute. He can’t even speak plainly and straight when compared with John McCain or Sarah Palin. That he is indeed an empty suit becomes more and more obvious.

  8. The best thing about the speech was McCain’s thoughtful patriotism. In summing up the story of his time as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, he said this:

    I fell in love with my country when I was a prisoner in someone else’s. I loved it not just for the many comforts of life here; I loved it for its decency, for its faith in the wisdom, justice and goodness of its people.

    I loved it because it was not just a place, but an idea, a cause worth fighting for. I was never the same again. I wasn’t my own man anymore, I was my country’s.

    I’m not running for president because I think I’m blessed with such personal greatness that history has anointed me to save our country in its hour of need. My country saved me. My country saved me, and I cannot forget it. And I will fight for her for as long as I draw breath, so help me God.
    ______________________________________________________________
    A week ago Barack Obama, carrying on a Democratic tradition that goes back at least 20 years, petulantly demanded that no one question his patriotism. The Democratic nominee looks very small by comparison.

  9. And now two days later?

    BREAKING NEWS: Quinn: “I was wrong” about Palin

    That’s what Sally Quinn just said on FOX News. She was on O’Reilly.

    The MSM has taken a step back from the ledge, as most people thought they would after their frantic race for a scoop…no matter how low and disgusting the rumor they were “scooping” was. It all backfired and they are stepping back.

    Doesn’t mean they won’t continue to put the story about the dismissal of a political appointee by Sarah Palin front and center….anything to help their messiah keep the lead you see. Even if the story is baloney.
    http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/09/05/apologies-from-the-msm-over-palin/

  10. Anil, let’s get back to the basics. Historically, had there been no Jihads, would there have been Crusades. And the Crusades happened some 8 hundred years after Jihadist took the Holy Land and became very extreme. Had there been no Jihadists like Osama and AQ, would there have been a 9/11 and a WOT?

    Why make references to the violent passages in the OT/Exodus when those examples are no longer applicable for a very long time?

    Gandhi may have been a humanitarian worker but his statements(about the Holocaust) negates what he had stood for. He’s useful as a peace icon but on closer examination, that may be just about what he’s worth, a popular icon with less depth than is commonly known.

    Nope, I am not a LLL(loony leftist liberal) sort – or another Warmie.

  11. Utter Rubbish? So the crusades, el cid (spain), Charlemagne etc etc etc were all rubbish. If it was rubbish then Spain must be returned to the Muslims, just as India which was under mogul rule.

    Anyway:

    Three celebrity weeklies — OK!, People and Us Weekly — featured Sarah Palin on their cover, but one of those magazines is reportedly losing subscribers because of it.

    Us Weekly, which unlike People and OK!, chose a rather caustic cover line (“Babies, Lies and Scandal”) is said to have lost thousands of subscribers in just the first 24 hours following the printing of the issue.

    “I’m hearing it’s 5,000, maybe more,” says one well-placed source in the industry. Another source claimed that as many as 10,000 readers have already cancelled their subscriptions. A spokesperson for Wenner Media, which publishes Us, says “it is completely false that we are losing 10,000 subscribers.” As for the 5,000 estimate, the spokesperson only said “that is false, too,” but wouldn’t comment further.

    Five thousand might not seem like a large number at first glance, but it’s significant in the context of Us’s printing schedule. The magazine goes to press Monday night, which means subscribers don’t receive their issues until Friday or Saturday. In other words, the cancellations are coming from subscribers who, in many cases, haven’t even gotten their hands on the actual issue.

    “When Us went to print Monday night, it looked like the ticket was falling apart,” says one magazine editor. “They went to print thinking Palin was dead in the water, and their mistake was thinking everyone who reads Us is a Democrat, when they’re not. Readers are loyal, but the base of a political party is more loyal. They don’t need to read the magazine when there’s so much press around it to know to be upset.”

    Upset might be an understatement: One Us advertiser has admitted that they’ve received calls from angry former subscribers threatening to boycott their products. “(Us publisher) Jann Wenner supports Obama, Wenner media decided to follow the buzz around Palin before her speech, and now subscribers feel like a vote has been cast on their behalf,” says another magazine editor. “It’s going to be tough to bounce back from this one. Especially if the advertisers get involved. If they get nervous, that can hurt all of us.”

  12. arah Palin is right. At last someone says it correctly unlike lip flop Bush who talked nonsense on religion of peace. You show them girl!!
    Sarah`s detractors may just have to eat craw:

    Palin Power: Fresh Face Now More Popular Than Obama, McCain

    A week ago, most Americans had never heard of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. Now, following a Vice Presidential acceptance speech viewed live by more than 40 million people, Palin is viewed favorably by 58% of American voters. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 37% hold an unfavorable view of the self-described hockey mom.
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/palin_power_fresh_face_now_more_popular_than_obama_mccain

  13. To Observer and Peter,

    Please, read the Bible from cover to cover objectively without any Christian prism. The NT does not over rule the NT. The NT has more obtuse teachings couched in sophisticated language (especially Pauline letters), that’s all. But it is still the same. The “us versus them” mentality is so starkly presented by Paul as to be breathtaking in its audacity. The simplistic heaven bound versus hell bound worldview fills every nooks and crannies in the NT. Therefore, all talks about love and loving another is mere lip service. Underneath that civil gloss, the singular violence in thought which persists mercilessly throughout the NT is this – that the majority of human beings who are supposedly lovingly created by the Creator will one day burn and roast in hell, FOREVER. Even if I have been a sadistic murderer and rapist for, say, 80 years of my life – do I deserve to be punished for ETERNITY? For 100, 200 or maybe 1000 thousand years. But for eternity?

    If that is not violence, I do not know what is. With such philosophical view underpinning the Bible, is it any wonder that Abrahamic religionists have been killing each other over who has God on his side?

    So please, spare me the Bible and the other … nonsense Books.

    You guys take outrage with Palin’s nonsense simply because you guys are decent human beings by nature, as most of us are. There is no need to bring the Bible or any holy books into the picture.

    Basic human decency as exemplified by the golden rule “do not do unto others what you do not wish others to do unto you” should suffice to guide us to live as decent and kind human beings.

    An appeal to higher authority up there in the sky is foolishness. And foolishness is what you and people like Palin deserve.

  14. Task that is from God? Palin took a page out of the Gospel of Bush, a twisted, Stone Age, Flat Earth philosophy designed to reach out to a simple-minded voter base, who are totally clueless about the rest of the world. And yet the fate of the entire planet is beholden to this crowd.

    These people claim to read the Bible. They take this holier-than-thou stance, and moralize about being pro-life. Yet, they have no qualms about engaging in murderous wars, where many of the victims are children! Go figure!

  15. It will be most dangerous if Christianity is mixed with politics.

    We had enough of Islam mixed with politics.

  16. I am utterly disgusted by this statement. Please do not use the church to declare war with anyone. Christ forbid killing of innocent lives.
    The Republican party should be defeated!!
    I condemn such act of war using the Church name!!!

  17. It doesn’t matter who wins the US elections – all belong to the New World Order, just as Bush was with the Illuminati so all those elected are.
    Think Obama is any better – said to be a Muslim, yet hiding behind Christianity to win votes.
    President Bush is with Skull and Bones religious order as was his father and grd’dad (who had links with companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany)!

  18. America to this day remains the most fundamentalist of all Christian Western nations. Just look up some shows where they show the evangelical Christians – There Will be Blood, Borat – they are no different from PAS, but much worse in that they see it as their divine right aka manifest destiny to be the righteous policeman of the world.

    Notice how they are beating the war drums against Iran, Russia. And recently pledged US$1 billion aid to Georgia each year – how much of it is military aid, God only knows. Building missile defense and NATO bases to the edge of Russia’s borders and soon in the near future to China’s. It is all part of their containment strategy to have a stranglehold on energy resources and check the rise of China. For they can never accept any nation but USA as the world’s superpower.

    USA spends US$600 billion per year on the military budget (not counting the NSA/CIA budget, dirty money funded by CIA, black ops funding, war funding for Iraq/Afghanistan) which is twice the entire world’s military spending. This year also saw record arms sales of US$30 billion to Middle Eastern countries – Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Egypt, Iraq..not exactly the most stable of places you want to send hi-tech American war machines to.

  19. Fairdinkum ,
    well just sit and think for a minute, what would have happened if the jihad joe’s are seen running freely in this world. Would you have this comfort to write your mind, they will rip you apart without compassion. For these are the devils creation that is waiting like a vulture to strike into your mind and soul. For a good start Sarah Palin is right by all means for they have had the brunt of it, very severly too 9/11. An eye for an eye.

  20. God! don’t even go there with Republican. They think they own Christianity…. They are bunch of hypocrites if you still haven’t realize that. Bush politicise Christianity like it belongs to the Republican party during his campaign. So, I usually ignore them because if they go this route again the US public will punish them….

    Hopefully rakyat Malaysian will do the same to UMNO….

  21. TJ, what Anil said is absolutely correct, from a Christian perspective. The OT represents the Judaic view but Christianity, which was born out of Judaism, is best described in the NT and it overrules the OT viewpoint unless you are a Jew! Most Muslims have problems when they read the Bible. They tend to prefer the OT as it seems vaguely familiar to them

  22. The war drums
    The politicians’ ways of foolishness
    Mixing politics and God
    The two shall not be at par
    God decides and disposes
    What else the children need to do?

    Going to war on others
    Saying it is the willed of God
    So God encouraging killing amongst His children
    To test who are the best in His kingdom?

    Do ‘jihad’ on yourself
    Destroy your sins make it new
    Don’t go killing others
    Serving the narrow minded wills

    Politicians and God
    One tries to justify its power
    One will say follow my rule
    Where paradise awaits you

    Just remember here
    Our lives on Earth is fixed on certain years
    Even the planet evolves for a fixed circulation
    When the time has come
    God will take it all back

    So it is better to talk peace
    Amongst races and bridge the religious divide
    Else it will be the end of our time
    With His hands he can crush all of us
    Into no where land

  23. it will depend on which section of the bible she is refering to.the bible is written by human[although claimed to be God inspired] thus the imperfection of it.and most importantly is the nature of the person reading it.

  24. Looks like they’ve not learned anything! I hate it when the name of GOd is used to justify a war, especially the Iraq War. I’m sure many by now realise that the war was only fought to secure the oil fields of Iraq!

  25. And what does the Bible say about those who use the name of God in vain?

    While there are lots of level-headed, sensible Americans, there are also many who think they are simply better than all the other peasants. Super-power with the mightiest armed forces, no less. Policeman and self-appointed leader of the free world.

    And this Vice-President wannabe is apparently not shy of applying the divine seal of approval when she feels like it.

    Unfortunately, I think there will be many in her audience who applauded. Not only those hard-core party loyalists who applaud regardless, but many who truly believed what Palin said to be true and right.

  26. War is man made,Sarah is wrong to claim that it is God’s will.No religion preach war,it’s amazing this is her understanding of her religion.

  27. I have posted my comment elsewhere about the Yankees’ brains when it comes to religion:

    What a contradiction, these Yankees. Despite their worldly progress, when it comes to “spiritual” awareness, they have pea-size brain (or mind?), if at all.

  28. USA way of Jihad I presume. Just like our Sharizat called the P.Pauh by Election Jihad. Some leaders speak thru their A…H…

    Iraq War, It’s totally military offence, base on their Military inteligent & strategy. The President feels thats the way to handle the US security after 911. Let it be that way.
    Beloved Pope John Paul never bless the act.

    Mahatma Gandhi said ” I like Christianity But not Christians”.

    All religion are beautiful & acceptable, but when the people raise war & kill in the of God & religion, the image of the religion tarnished. So leaders note, you are not secretary to God to come up with these sort of statements.

    Joc

  29. war can never be justified but for time immemorial, rulers throughout the world were recorded to use the name of god to justify an action so that the followers will march on without questioning, blind faith. i have always believed that religion is a tool used by the powerful to control the people. leaders use them. we even see it happened here recently with all the sumpahs.

    however, during the height of the iraq war, when i seemed alone in attacking bush and his neohawks at bungaraya forum, i realised a thing or two why there are malaysians who supported the war on iraq. it wasn’t because they were ignorant to the facts laid bare as to why oil was the reason. i wrote this piece back then – http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/861927/posts

    what shocked me as to why they supported the war was simply because of it’s ‘us against them’. as a hint, look at how umno has been treating the ‘others’ in its racist policy so much so that the resentment is so high tht these people supported the iraq war out of frustration … and a pleasure just to be on the other side, the winning side!

    religion divides.

    btw i’m an atheist 😉

  30. Daer Anil,

    Next thing u know Jesus will say, “I never knew you, you wicked people!” As far as I am concern, that is about it for her! OBAMA/Biden for president/VP? Cheers…

  31. “loss of over a million Iraqi lives.”

    Lancet figures since dismissed. Casualties are less than those during Saddam Regime and not caused by the US but by moslem fanatics and criminals released from prisons by Baath party.

  32. “Next thing she will be saying is that it’s God’s will for the United States to occupy Iraq and control its oil wealth”

    China inks $3 billion oil contract with Iraq
    PTI
    Thursday, August 28, 2008

    Wednesday, July 9, 2008

    India oil giant signs contracts in northern Iraq
    LONDON — Reliance Industries, India’s top exploration firm, intends to expand its presence in the Iraqi crude oil market.

  33. >>now she is saying that we went into Iraq on a a “task that is from God.”>>

    Many religious people see _all_ of life…all of their responsibilities … as a task that is from God. It doesn’t mean that they believe that “God sent me to do this thing for the world”, it just means that there’s work to be done, and it’s my duty to _get_ it done. Every deed they do is doing God’s work.

  34. Aside from an overall excellent speech, Sarah also had a few brilliant lines, aided by the fact that she delivered them well. For example, this whole anti-Obama riff worked well:

    This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting, and never use the word “victory” except when he’s talking about his own campaign. But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed … when the roar of the crowd fades away … when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot – what exactly is our opponent’s plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he’s done turning back the waters and healing the planet? The answer is to make government bigger … take more of your money … give you more orders from Washington … and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world. America needs more energy … our opponent is against producing it.

    Victory in Iraq is finally in sight … he wants to forfeit.

    But this was my favorite pair of lines, akin in rhythm and content to Kennedy’s famous “As not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country”:

    In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers.

    And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change.

  35. Credit where it’s due [Mark Steyn]

    I would like to thank the US media for doing such a grand job this last week of lowering expectations by portraying Governor Palin – whoops, I mean Hick-Burg Mayor Palin – as a hillbilly know-nothing permapregnant ditz, half of whose 27 kids are the spawn of a stump-toothed uncle who hasn’t worked since he was an extra in Deliverance.

    How’s that narrative holding up, geniuses? Almost as good as your “devoted husband John Edwards” routine?

    I trust even now Maureen Dowd is working on a hilarious new column mocking proposed names for the Governor’s first grandchild. Perhaps Richard Cohen can just take the week off and they can rerun his insightful analysis comparing the Palin nomination to Caligula making his horse a consul. Whereas we sophisticates all know that if McCain were as smart as Obama he’d have nominated a dead horse to be his consul. No wait…

  36. What else can you expect from a country bumpkin who can’t even keep her own house in order as in letting her 16 years old daughter get knocked up.

    And may God have mercy on us all if this simpleton ever comes into power as V.P.

  37. Anil, justification for violence is aplenty in the Bible. Just look into the Old Testament where Yahweh himself ordered entire village to be killed, men, women, children, animals. The OT is soaked with and in blood. The Bible does say that God does not change. Therefore the violent God of the OT does not change.

    Like many, you are reading selective passages from the Bible and usually those lovey-dovey parts to drive home the lame point that the God of the Bible is gentle and loving. In my view, he is by and large not.

    You must be honest enough to read from other parts. And it is full of contradictions, does it not? In fact, the Bible is positively schizophrenic.

    Palin is not a weird one-off religions cuckoo. A whole swathe of decent ordinary Christians in the US do truly and sincerely believe what Palin believes. And the basis of their beliefs are well founded in the Bible.

    My opinion – the 3 monotheistic religions of the world are fundamentally flawed and rotten in the core. It is this flaw and rot that has been festering strife, discord, violence, deaths for hundreds of years.

    Please spare me the hackneyed öh, it is the believers that give religion the bad name.

    No, it is not. It is the schizophrenia found in all the Books.

  38. Guess its not only in Bolehland that religion get mixed up with politics!

    Boy oh boy, if only I was a speech writer for Obama. I can think of a dozen ways to rip into this statement!!!

  39. This is what you get from the Republicans. Rubbish! Utter rubbish! GWB used to parrot the same after being coached by his neo-con mentors. So now we have vice-president nominee who does the same. She can’t even manage to bring up her children properly, so how is she going to help McCain in the affairs of the state. Or is ok now in the US to be a teenage unwed mother? What’s happening to the great country that we used to admire?

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