Comments on: Trams to make a comeback in Penang? http://anilnetto.com/society/public-transport/trams-to-make-a-comeback-in-penang/ Let justice flow like a mighty river Sat, 26 May 2012 05:26:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: eddie chuah http://anilnetto.com/society/public-transport/trams-to-make-a-comeback-in-penang/comment-page-2/#comment-39409 eddie chuah Fri, 19 Feb 2010 04:47:37 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=1997#comment-39409 apparently such discussion had gone dead since Sept 2008??? Please bring back the trams!!!! apparently such discussion had gone dead since Sept 2008???
Please bring back the trams!!!!

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]]> By: Moaz Yusuf Ahmad http://anilnetto.com/society/public-transport/trams-to-make-a-comeback-in-penang/comment-page-2/#comment-8345 Moaz Yusuf Ahmad Sat, 06 Sep 2008 05:43:09 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=1997#comment-8345 The Association for the Improvement of Mass-Transit believes that comprehensive improvements to the rapid-transit network are absolutely necessary in order to build an effective public transport system. Penang will be an excellent place for improvements to public transport-if the government will hold proper public consultations and open up the projects to competitive tenders. To respond to Din Merican, I do hope that the government will hold a forum soon on Penang public transport. Until then, we have the Urban Public Transport forum on September 18, hosted by the Asian Strategy and Leadership Institute. Transit will be attending the forum and we hope to that the forum will be a positive opportunity to share ideas for public transport improvements. Sincerely, Moaz Yusuf Ahmad on behalf of the Association for the Improvement of Mass-Transit The Association for the Improvement of Mass-Transit believes that comprehensive improvements to the rapid-transit network are absolutely necessary in order to build an effective public transport system.

Penang will be an excellent place for improvements to public transport-if the government will hold proper public consultations and open up the projects to competitive tenders.

To respond to Din Merican, I do hope that the government will hold a forum soon on Penang public transport. Until then, we have the Urban Public Transport forum on September 18, hosted by the Asian Strategy and Leadership Institute.

Transit will be attending the forum and we hope to that the forum will be a positive opportunity to share ideas for public transport improvements.

Sincerely,

Moaz Yusuf Ahmad

on behalf of the Association for the Improvement of Mass-Transit

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]]> By: Dennis http://anilnetto.com/society/public-transport/trams-to-make-a-comeback-in-penang/comment-page-2/#comment-8285 Dennis Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:37:13 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=1997#comment-8285 tram may have cost a fraction of the initially allocated budget for monorail. But the coverage, network and capacity of the tram is also a fraction to that of the monorail project. The original monorail budget also reeks of corruption and inefficiencies, many ppl are in the opinion that if the monorail project is handled the CAT way, the project cost could easily be slashed by half. If u hav a tram system in the city as proposed. Commuters would still have to drive their car to the peripheral of the city network. They have to park their car near the tram station. I don't think we have a massive centralised free space to be dedicated as car park within the city centre. It's not an independant system, the tram system still needs a good bus system to compliment it. Given the condition of our bus system, I'll say we fix this problem first before we venture into something unproven tram may have cost a fraction of the initially allocated budget for monorail. But the coverage, network and capacity of the tram is also a fraction to that of the monorail project. The original monorail budget also reeks of corruption and inefficiencies, many ppl are in the opinion that if the monorail project is handled the CAT way, the project cost could easily be slashed by half.

If u hav a tram system in the city as proposed. Commuters would still have to drive their car to the peripheral of the city network. They have to park their car near the tram station. I don’t think we have a massive centralised free space to be dedicated as car park within the city centre. It’s not an independant system, the tram system still needs a good bus system to compliment it. Given the condition of our bus system, I’ll say we fix this problem first before we venture into something unproven

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]]> By: Din Merican http://anilnetto.com/society/public-transport/trams-to-make-a-comeback-in-penang/comment-page-1/#comment-8269 Din Merican Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:22:34 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=1997#comment-8269 Before deciding on the transport system,I think Guan Eng should have an open public inquiry involving transportation experts, civil bodies and people of Penang on the best and most economical option that can cater for the expanding needs of the Island's economy and growing population. After that, appoint a group of consultants to look into the concept and design of the systen, and make appropriate recommendations. Singapore adopted this approach, holidng a series of open hearings, and is now operating one of the world's efficient systems of mass transportation . Look at Washington DC, Paris, Melbourne, Tokyo, and other cities as well.We must not let politicians get in our way.---Din Merican Before deciding on the transport system,I think Guan Eng should have an open public inquiry involving transportation experts, civil bodies and people of Penang on the best and most economical option that can cater for the expanding needs of the Island’s economy and growing population. After that, appoint a group of consultants to look into the concept and design of the systen, and make appropriate recommendations.

Singapore adopted this approach, holidng a series of open hearings, and is now operating one of the world’s efficient systems of mass transportation . Look at Washington DC, Paris, Melbourne, Tokyo, and other cities as well.We must not let politicians get in our way.—Din Merican

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]]> By: Sorry state http://anilnetto.com/society/public-transport/trams-to-make-a-comeback-in-penang/comment-page-1/#comment-8244 Sorry state Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:09:47 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=1997#comment-8244 Justify what have you said Mr Justin Choo. I am shocked that you are talking about this. Seriously, lets see what needs to get done. Six months from now, you will eat your words. Like all the rest of the crowd who voted the racist BN Justify what have you said Mr Justin Choo. I am shocked that you are talking about this. Seriously, lets see what needs to get done. Six months from now, you will eat your words. Like all the rest of the crowd who voted the racist BN

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]]> By: Justin Choo http://anilnetto.com/society/public-transport/trams-to-make-a-comeback-in-penang/comment-page-1/#comment-8220 Justin Choo Thu, 04 Sep 2008 04:10:46 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=1997#comment-8220 Anil, You think they can come out with the tramps? Today's Sun reported that Pg Hill Cable car haited indefinitely. I wrote in my blog; Is this telling us that the Penang State Government does not have RM1.5 million to get the replacement going? Just imagine having to forgo the tourist revenue had the cable cars were in operation! Surely Lim Guan Eng has some business sense and some pride in governing Penang! Politicians! Politicians! Politicians! Anil,

You think they can come out with the tramps?

Today’s Sun reported that Pg Hill Cable car haited indefinitely.

I wrote in my blog;
Is this telling us that the Penang State Government does not have RM1.5 million to get the replacement going? Just imagine having to forgo the tourist revenue had the cable cars were in operation! Surely Lim Guan Eng has some business sense and some pride in governing Penang!

Politicians! Politicians! Politicians!

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]]> By: donatelo http://anilnetto.com/society/public-transport/trams-to-make-a-comeback-in-penang/comment-page-1/#comment-8216 donatelo Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:20:06 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=1997#comment-8216 Dear Anil, I really would love to see tram up and moving in Penang to reduce its traffic congestion. If its less than 10 million ringgit. I think every fork in Penang fork out RM100 each family, in my humble oppinion we can have the tram even without relying on the goverment. Nevertheless there are some disadvantages of tram usage (listed in wikipedia), for eg 1. When operated in mixed traffic, trams are more likely to be delayed by disruptions in their lane. Buses, by contrast, can easily manoeuvre around obstacles. Opinions differ about whether deference that drivers show to trams — a cultural issue that varies by country — is sufficient to counteract this disadvantage. 2.Tram tracks can be dangerous for cyclists, as bikes (many users in penang), particularly those with narrow tyres, may get their wheels caught in the track grooves. It is also possible to close the grooves of the tracks on critical sections by rubber profiles that are pressed down by the wheelflanges of the passing tram, but cannot be lowered by the weight of a cyclist. However, if not well-maintained, these lose their effectiveness over time. Crossing tracks without trouble requires a sufficient angle of crossing, reducing a cyclists' ability to avoid road hazards where tracks run along the road, especially in wet weather. This and problems with parked cars are lessened by building tracks and platforms in the middle of the road. 3.In the event of a breakdown or accident, or even roadworks and maintenance, a whole section of the tram network can be blocked. Buses and trolleybuses can get past minor blockages quite easily, although trolleybuses are restricted by how far they can go from the wires. Conventional buses can divert around major blockages as well, as can most modern trolleybuses that are fitted with auxiliary engines or traction batteries. The tram blockage problem can be mitigated by providing regular crossovers so a tram can run on the opposite line to pass a blockage, although this can be more difficult when running on road sections shared with other road users. On extensive networks diversionary routes may be available depending on the location of the blockage. Breakdown related problems can be reduced by minimising the situations where a tram would be stuck on route, as well as making it as simple as possible for another tram to rescue a failed one 4. The opening of new tram and light rail systems has sometimes been accompanied by a marked increase in car accidents (among nontorious infamous penang driver), as a result of drivers' unfamiliarity with the physics and geometry of trolleys.Though such increases may be temporary, long-term conflicts between motorists and light rail operations can be alleviated by segregating their respective rights-of-way and installing appropriate signage and warning systems Dear Anil,

I really would love to see tram up and moving in Penang to reduce its traffic congestion. If its less than 10 million ringgit. I think every fork in Penang fork out RM100 each family, in my humble oppinion we can have the tram even without relying on the goverment.

Nevertheless there are some disadvantages of tram usage (listed in wikipedia), for eg

1. When operated in mixed traffic, trams are more likely to be delayed by disruptions in their lane. Buses, by contrast, can easily manoeuvre around obstacles. Opinions differ about whether deference that drivers show to trams — a cultural issue that varies by country — is sufficient to counteract this disadvantage.

2.Tram tracks can be dangerous for cyclists, as bikes (many users in penang), particularly those with narrow tyres, may get their wheels caught in the track grooves. It is also possible to close the grooves of the tracks on critical sections by rubber profiles that are pressed down by the wheelflanges of the passing tram, but cannot be lowered by the weight of a cyclist. However, if not well-maintained, these lose their effectiveness over time. Crossing tracks without trouble requires a sufficient angle of crossing, reducing a cyclists’ ability to avoid road hazards where tracks run along the road, especially in wet weather. This and problems with parked cars are lessened by building tracks and platforms in the middle of the road.

3.In the event of a breakdown or accident, or even roadworks and maintenance, a whole section of the tram network can be blocked. Buses and trolleybuses can get past minor blockages quite easily, although trolleybuses are restricted by how far they can go from the wires. Conventional buses can divert around major blockages as well, as can most modern trolleybuses that are fitted with auxiliary engines or traction batteries. The tram blockage problem can be mitigated by providing regular crossovers so a tram can run on the opposite line to pass a blockage, although this can be more difficult when running on road sections shared with other road users. On extensive networks diversionary routes may be available depending on the location of the blockage. Breakdown related problems can be reduced by minimising the situations where a tram would be stuck on route, as well as making it as simple as possible for another tram to rescue a failed one

4. The opening of new tram and light rail systems has sometimes been accompanied by a marked increase in car accidents (among nontorious infamous penang driver), as a result of drivers’ unfamiliarity with the physics and geometry of trolleys.Though such increases may be temporary, long-term conflicts between motorists and light rail operations can be alleviated by segregating their respective rights-of-way and installing appropriate signage and warning systems

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]]> By: Rejoice http://anilnetto.com/society/public-transport/trams-to-make-a-comeback-in-penang/comment-page-1/#comment-8212 Rejoice Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:59:03 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=1997#comment-8212 THis is a step in the right direction. The Penang State Government solely drives this project and i believe folks like Madam Kee and the federal should stay out of it. They create more mess than progress. Allocation - tarik balik....now Madam Kee is asking for allocation. She is always trying to steal the limelight. I am all for CAT government, the Pakatan Rakyat Government. Please stay out of this Madam Kee THis is a step in the right direction. The Penang State Government solely drives this project and i believe folks like Madam Kee and the federal should stay out of it. They create more mess than progress. Allocation – tarik balik….now Madam Kee is asking for allocation. She is always trying to steal the limelight. I am all for CAT government, the Pakatan Rakyat Government. Please stay out of this Madam Kee

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]]> By: donplaypuks http://anilnetto.com/society/public-transport/trams-to-make-a-comeback-in-penang/comment-page-1/#comment-8209 donplaypuks Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:13:47 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=1997#comment-8209 The wheels are moving slowly, but surely. For those who are not happy with this pace, please be reminded that Pakatan & DAP have 50 years of inertia and corruption to overcome. Perhaps you might be interested to read Margeemar's blog on PORR and links with Ahmad Ismail, the missing BN MP of yet another case of 'expressing my private thoughts in a public way, so excuse me but I am too busy doing sweet FA.' http://margeemar.blogspot.com/2008/09/real-reason-why-pm-badawi-doesnt-want.html http://donplaypuks.blogspot.com The wheels are moving slowly, but surely. For those who are not happy with this pace, please be reminded that Pakatan & DAP have 50 years of inertia and corruption to overcome.

Perhaps you might be interested to read Margeemar’s blog on PORR and links with Ahmad Ismail, the missing BN MP of yet another case of ‘expressing my private thoughts in a public way, so excuse me but I am too busy doing sweet FA.’
http://margeemar.blogspot.com/2008/09/real-reason-why-pm-badawi-doesnt-want.html

http://donplaypuks.blogspot.com

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]]> By: Lim Sang Seong http://anilnetto.com/society/public-transport/trams-to-make-a-comeback-in-penang/comment-page-1/#comment-8207 Lim Sang Seong Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:46:51 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=1997#comment-8207 It would be best that the State govt give priority to conduct a comprehensive and in-depth study on the transportation system including roads, rail and air transport incorporating new air and bus terminals , cross channel links, traffic dispersal plans. The plan should also look into and preserve the architectural beauty of historic and heritage buildings. Town and country planning should look into the needs of Penang beyond 50 years from now. The bus and taxi link to the island from the rail terminal on the mainland to be reviewed. It would be best that the State govt give priority to conduct a comprehensive and in-depth study on the transportation system including roads, rail and air transport incorporating new air and bus terminals , cross channel links, traffic dispersal plans. The plan should also look into and preserve the architectural beauty of historic and heritage buildings.

Town and country planning should look into the needs of Penang beyond 50 years from now. The bus and taxi link to the island from the rail terminal on the mainland to be reviewed.

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