Comments on: Buah Pala villagers miss noon deadline

By: y

Mon, 10 Aug 2009 05:08:55 +0000

Morning Dew,

I am not interested to know your race, law apply to every race in malaysia.

strange ruling?? It is normal in Malaysia, It is notmal to have strange ruling in boleh land, but we still have to comply. Moraly correct have no stand in Law.

They should gather evidence first before go to court.

“The penang government could actually revoked all deals as the penang government DO NOT OWN THE LAND – this much we know as well. ”

This is the funniest statement……You should really ask yourself “how could penang government revoked a land that someone claim not belongs to them?” when u argue that penang government sell land that is not belongs to them.

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By: kakipulau

kakipulau — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 03:18:46 +0000

It appears to be the norm that the poor and those deemed powerless are simply pushed aside although they have made positive economic contribution to those raking in the benefits to fund their cushy air-conditioned offices and padded leather revolving office chairs, including those in government. To the person who seems to have missed the link between having “worked their butts off” and ownership of the land, perhaps you have also missed the point that work and cattle breeding is an economic activity that contributes to the local GDP. and adds value to the land. In all the furore about KBP, the role of the Federal Government, who is now more clearly the rightful owner of the land, has been forgotten. The Federal BN Government has so far hidden behind this cloud of debate and failed to take responsibility for not issuing the land titles to the long time residents of KBP. The silence of the Federal Govt. should be questioned. MIC is obviously a stooge of the BN Federal Govt. and undoubtedly serves to confuse the villagers and complicate the issue. Hindraf doesn’t help by acting the same way. All in all the root cause of the problem is the Federal Govt. who should be made to account for the current suffering of the residents of KBP as well as those other land pioneers that have been evicted from their homes and made squatters like those in Kampung Berembang, not so long ago. These evicted pioneer villagers should unite and bring the Federal Government to account for their actions in making them homeless, landless and jobless, when they have in fact made contribution to the country’s economy for umpteen years. The payment of rent in the interim is certainly reasonable and depending on the size of the family, RM1200 is not too much to ask for, especially if you have also become jobless with no other means of income to rely on. The Federal Govt. is the root cause of the problems in KBP.

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By: Jessica

Jessica — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:43:16 +0000

I think those who label the villagers greedy are missing the point. As I see it, the question is certainty. Correct me if I am wrong, but Nusmetro has already pointed out that the deal is subject to obtaining the relevant approvals. If for any reason the approvals are not obtained, then the deal is off. By that time, the villagers would have moved out, their homes would have been demolished. What then? I have seen cases where settlement agreements have been entered into, people have moved out, houses been demolished, no money given for temporary rental, and at the end of the day the developer decides it is no longer interested in building the low and medium cost housing which was originally in the approved layout plan and the plans are subsequently amended to suit the developer’s whims and fancies. In another case up north, the developer went into liquidation, no flats or houses have been constructed, and the villagers are left with no recourse. If the settlement offer is real and sincere, then there should be some sort of assurance for the villagers that they will not be giving vacant possession for nothing. There should be a time line for the construction of the houses – there have been cases where developers proceed with the other parts of the project and leave the homes for former occupants for the last. I also don’t think the request for payment of rental in the interim is unreasonable – it has been done before – only that RM1200 is a bit too much. RM500 or so would be appropriate. The offer of houses must come with these certainties. It is unfair to expect the villagers to accept the offer if it is full of holes.

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By: banana

banana — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:49:27 +0000

nkkhoo,

Since you are attacking LBC on his/her lack of comprehension skills, perhaps you might want to re-examine your maths/logic?

You mentioned “if someone steals your RM10 million land passed down by your ancestor and then pay you RM200,000 peanut compensation”.

Firstly, we have no way of establishing that the value of the land is RM10 million or some other figure. Some many numbers have been bandied about I am now confused as to what is the current value of the land now.

Secondly, for the sake of argument that the land is worth RM10million; this is for the entire plot of land that the 41 families (currently living in 21 houses) are currently living on. This means that what has been “stolen” (and my sympathies are definitely with them on the “crime” perpetuated to them by the former State Govenment) is RM10million divided by either 41 or 21 depending on your view.

Therefore, may I humbly suggest you go for English, maths or logic lessons before you start attacking other commentors.

banana

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By: Siew

Siew — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 10:48:22 +0000

fickle minded bunch of villagers. have already agreed and accepted but keeping asking for more. the moment someone from mic say something to them they change their mind. the moment hindraf say something to them they change their mind. all this … started by the ex-govt and yet some people in here try to implicate the current govt….. you dont heap … at people just cos they didnt meet your demand. if any leader can just revoke the land they like then the bn govt shud not have sold this piece of land to the cooperative. people support and sympathy is wearing thin. wake up.

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By: Rajan

Rajan — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 07:36:37 +0000

Prem and K
Try staying a day at the village with the thugs called … and … then you will understand. I am glad my family has moved out. I am sorry that the present situation doesn’t warrant anything. In fact, just to let you know, MIC is always there at the Kampung. I guess paying each of the newspaper boy RM50 to put leaflets into the Star paper to ask people to come to the forum today at 630pm is worth their time. I say this – DON’T WASTE YOUR TIME WITH THESE… They are the worst… and I am taken aback that Sugumaran can wayang at Dewan but at the Human Rights Party launching at Klang, he spoke like a parrot. – don’t waste your time with those still stubborn. The state should mobilize and hentam the BN govt for making me lose my home. After all, do those BN … care? One of which KTK – come by to open at MBS. Aiya, you are not wanted anymore. I suggest you pack and go back…

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By: Morning Dew

Morning Dew — Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:02:10 +0000

Sunny,

their legal status on the land had never been established but whatever document that we had been privy to suggested that the land was given to them in trust. And the trust holder is the federal government. This much we know. They are settlers and not squatters. Many land titles in the past were given FREE if one could establish that they had worked the land.

What has “working off their butts” had anything to do with the issue at hand ? You are trying to draw comparisons from disparate circumstances.

I am not a lawyer nor do I have a lawyer. In case you are wondering and if it is relevant to you I am a chinese.

I do not know what had transpired in the courts and what were the arguments and presentation but it was quite apparent from bits and pieces here and there that they were ruled without any locus standi – that was a strange ruling considering that they had resided there for ages.

The few documents that were subsequently found had brought new evidence that shed more light on the issue at hand. The penang government could actually revoked all deals as the penang government DO NOT OWN THE LAND – this much we know as well.

crash,

if the land did not belong to the state government this meant that all contracts – awarding of land title etc are all void. This means status quo and the residence/settlers of kg.buah pala then have the right to get the federal government to issue them the titles.

Btw. what had “other poor penang people” got to do with the issue at hand ?

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By: nkkhoo

nkkhoo — Sat, 08 Aug 2009 05:49:35 +0000

Remember most penangites work their whole lifes to provide a roof for their families, not by YELLING at LGE.

So what? You are poor meaning others have to be poor like you and not eligible to inherit land from their ancestors?

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By: crash

crash — Sat, 08 Aug 2009 05:27:44 +0000

To add-on, please be reminded that these village families is not the only people in the whole penang that is poor. There are many poorer and in worst situation than them. So as a gahmen they need to be fair.

For those who felt symphatise with the villager, nobody is stopping you from donating half of your wealth to give them a better life. You can buy them a plasma for all i care.

It is the same thing applied when you ask the state gahmen to spent and use their power to save them right? But by calling that you are using your … mouth to do the talk and let other walk by using Penangites expenses – DiEnd

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By: crash

crash — Sat, 08 Aug 2009 05:11:50 +0000

It was originally crown housing trust land, which, from what I understand, should have been transferred to the federal government when the national land code came into force. – Anil

the residence of kg buah pala were not squatters but settlers. The penang state government DO NOT OWN THE LAND and they had NO RIGHT to sell it or even lease it.

All relevant documents indicated this much. The land is held in trust by the federal government. – Morning Dew

So true…!! your arguement have my support.
because both of you just telling peoples that the land doesn’t belong to state and state have no right to sell. But why are you arguing about if the state have the right to sell or not?

The point is that the land can belong to me, you or any liew ah kow…. IT DOESN’T BELONG to the Villagers. It is yours it is yours, if it is not yours accept the fate. You ain’t borned as Bill Gates childrens. Everyone is equal. You own what you work for, don’t push too hard to make your self half a million richer – DiEnd

p/s: for those who try the racial card. The previous gahmen demolish a few chinese and malay villages before to give way to modern development including freeways and housing/condo, the compensation is just a merely 50k or less flat near to the area….

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