Comments on: MCA sharply split ahead of Bagan Pinang poll http://anilnetto.com/malaysian-politics/malaysian-elections/mca-split-ahead-of-bagan-pinang-poll/ Let justice flow like a mighty river Sat, 26 May 2012 03:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Why Pakatan lost in Bagan Pinang  | Human Rights Party Malaysia http://anilnetto.com/malaysian-politics/malaysian-elections/mca-split-ahead-of-bagan-pinang-poll/comment-page-2/#comment-33266 Why Pakatan lost in Bagan Pinang  | Human Rights Party Malaysia Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:38:36 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=15727#comment-33266 [...] In some ways, the BN victory was not unexpected. Perhaps the scale of the defeat surprised many. But a few keen political analysts noticed something amiss ahead of polling day and predicted that Isa would win comfortably as noted in my post here. [...] [...] In some ways, the BN victory was not unexpected. Perhaps the scale of the defeat surprised many. But a few keen political analysts noticed something amiss ahead of polling day and predicted that Isa would win comfortably as noted in my post here. [...]

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]]> By: Sid http://anilnetto.com/malaysian-politics/malaysian-elections/mca-split-ahead-of-bagan-pinang-poll/comment-page-2/#comment-33214 Sid Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:10:39 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=15727#comment-33214 And the joke of the century, "WE WANT CHANGE, WE WANT TRANSPARENCY". But, but no, PR/DAP doesn't have to release the exco minutes. Do you guys even remotely understand what you're supporting? There are no exceptions, just cause you favour one above the rest, that doesn't mean they should not be held accountable. You folks are defending the very concept you so wish to change. Stop accusing Anil of bias, prove Anil wrong, pressure DAP to release the exco minutes. As some have asked, what is so hard with that? That, my good Malaysians, is transparency, that, is change. We bitterly grumble about BN's OSA, yet not only let the very party we depend on for change, we defend their right to withhold information from us (that in essence, is OSA). Such information should and must fall under public domain, that is what it's all about. I honestly believe most of us are in the same boat, we genuinely want to make things better. However, we must not forget, we cannot sacrifice building a strict foundation of how representatives must be held accountable. Isn't it ironic that the same people who blindly root for DAP are exactly mirrored by BN's supporters who defend the draconian laws? I'm not saying the folks in DAP are evil, or they are underhanded, but the public has the right to know how decisions and actions were made/taken, this is a must, and this is what was expected when they were voted in. The core element to fight corruption, we choose not to implement, now how is that for the joke of the century? And the joke of the century, “WE WANT CHANGE, WE WANT TRANSPARENCY”. But, but no, PR/DAP doesn’t have to release the exco minutes. Do you guys even remotely understand what you’re supporting?

There are no exceptions, just cause you favour one above the rest, that doesn’t mean they should not be held accountable. You folks are defending the very concept you so wish to change.

Stop accusing Anil of bias, prove Anil wrong, pressure DAP to release the exco minutes. As some have asked, what is so hard with that? That, my good Malaysians, is transparency, that, is change.

We bitterly grumble about BN’s OSA, yet not only let the very party we depend on for change, we defend their right to withhold information from us (that in essence, is OSA). Such information should and must fall under public domain, that is what it’s all about.

I honestly believe most of us are in the same boat, we genuinely want to make things better. However, we must not forget, we cannot sacrifice building a strict foundation of how representatives must be held accountable.

Isn’t it ironic that the same people who blindly root for DAP are exactly mirrored by BN’s supporters who defend the draconian laws?

I’m not saying the folks in DAP are evil, or they are underhanded, but the public has the right to know how decisions and actions were made/taken, this is a must, and this is what was expected when they were voted in. The core element to fight corruption, we choose not to implement, now how is that for the joke of the century?

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]]> By: Why Pakatan lost Bagan Pinang « anilnetto.com http://anilnetto.com/malaysian-politics/malaysian-elections/mca-split-ahead-of-bagan-pinang-poll/comment-page-2/#comment-33175 Why Pakatan lost Bagan Pinang « anilnetto.com Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:26:07 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=15727#comment-33175 [...] In some ways, victory was not unexpected. Perhaps the scale of the defeat surprised many. But more observant visitors noticed something amiss and predicted that Isa would win comfortably as noted in my post here. [...] [...] In some ways, victory was not unexpected. Perhaps the scale of the defeat surprised many. But more observant visitors noticed something amiss and predicted that Isa would win comfortably as noted in my post here. [...]

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]]> By: DG http://anilnetto.com/malaysian-politics/malaysian-elections/mca-split-ahead-of-bagan-pinang-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-33098 DG Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:49:01 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=15727#comment-33098 Sean, you "think" Anil is not biased, you are not sure right ? Frankly, even Anil doesn't realise he is biased towards the Penang State Government. We are aware people voted PR for a change and we know a lot of these voters also supported LGE's decision with regards to the KBP issue based on the number of comments made here. Yes, not all supported LGE's decision but quite a number supported. What does it say ? You cannot please everybody . Secondly we should look into the context of "Did LGE personally gain from this decision ?" Did he received any monetary gains or did he make this decision believing it was the best for all parties involved ? Overall benefit. In the past, decision were made for OWN personal gains, not for the people of Penang. Think about it. Sean, you “think” Anil is not biased, you are not sure right ? Frankly, even Anil doesn’t realise he is biased towards the Penang State Government.
We are aware people voted PR for a change and we know a lot of these voters also supported LGE’s decision with regards to the KBP issue based on the number of comments made here. Yes, not all supported LGE’s decision but quite a number supported. What does it say ? You cannot please everybody .
Secondly we should look into the context of “Did LGE personally gain from this decision ?”
Did he received any monetary gains or did he make this decision believing it was the best for all parties involved ? Overall benefit.
In the past, decision were made for OWN personal gains, not for the people of Penang.
Think about it.

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]]> By: Desire for change http://anilnetto.com/malaysian-politics/malaysian-elections/mca-split-ahead-of-bagan-pinang-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-33072 Desire for change Mon, 12 Oct 2009 02:36:20 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=15727#comment-33072 Gerakan K, I do not think Gerakan has the moral right to chastise anyone for the KBP issue. Additionally, two wrongs does not make one right. If Gerakan wants to regain the mandate of the people of Penang, I guess they should first dissociate from BN. Otherwise no amount of championing will change the mind of the people of people of Penang. Get it? Gerakan K,
I do not think Gerakan has the moral right to chastise anyone for the KBP issue. Additionally, two wrongs does not make one right.

If Gerakan wants to regain the mandate of the people of Penang, I guess they should first dissociate from BN. Otherwise no amount of championing will change the mind of the people of people of Penang. Get it?

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]]> By: anilnetto http://anilnetto.com/malaysian-politics/malaysian-elections/mca-split-ahead-of-bagan-pinang-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-33043 anilnetto Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:31:40 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=15727#comment-33043 Your impression is correct, Sean. It is a fact that promises were made. Video clips show PR reps making public promises to the villagers as late as early this year, even after the land had been transferred to the Koperasi. More than that though, whatever the legal technicalities, I think the KBP villagers intuitively figured out early on that the Penang state government was not on their side in terms of trying to save the village. I got that impression too from the body language and public statements made by state government leaders. That aside, what is clear now is that political parties had better think a few times before they allow communities and villages to be destroyed/demolished. Not only would it be a public relations problem, village demolitions are likely to come at a heavy political cost (as the Kg Berembang demolition in BN-ruled Selangor demonstrated as well). Your impression is correct, Sean. It is a fact that promises were made. Video clips show PR reps making public promises to the villagers as late as early this year, even after the land had been transferred to the Koperasi.

More than that though, whatever the legal technicalities, I think the KBP villagers intuitively figured out early on that the Penang state government was not on their side in terms of trying to save the village. I got that impression too from the body language and public statements made by state government leaders.

That aside, what is clear now is that political parties had better think a few times before they allow communities and villages to be destroyed/demolished. Not only would it be a public relations problem, village demolitions are likely to come at a heavy political cost (as the Kg Berembang demolition in BN-ruled Selangor demonstrated as well).

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]]> By: Sean http://anilnetto.com/malaysian-politics/malaysian-elections/mca-split-ahead-of-bagan-pinang-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-33042 Sean Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:17:29 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=15727#comment-33042 Anil - thanks for your comment. Did I not say 'IF' enough in my comment? One of the problems with elevating personalities over parties is that a man could be mistaken for his party. I'm too lazy to look for the source of my impression that the KBP villagers were promised they wouldn't have to leave their land. Antares refers to promises above - does he know of some? I don't think it would do any harm to clarify exactly what people's expectations were, and why they might have expected more than was possible, if it was truly impossible for them to remain on their land. The KBP thing is no less of a public relations problem - regardless of the 'truth' behind it - than many that PR are quick to castigate BN for. I don't think it would hurt PR at all in the long run, if any PR member was careless enough to elevate hope into the realms of fantasy, to demonstrate personal integrity and for a careless PR representative do what PR so often asks their opponents to do. What are the facts as regards promises? Were the KBP villagers actually 'led to believe' anything at all? Anil – thanks for your comment. Did I not say ‘IF’ enough in my comment? One of the problems with elevating personalities over parties is that a man could be mistaken for his party. I’m too lazy to look for the source of my impression that the KBP villagers were promised they wouldn’t have to leave their land. Antares refers to promises above – does he know of some? I don’t think it would do any harm to clarify exactly what people’s expectations were, and why they might have expected more than was possible, if it was truly impossible for them to remain on their land.

The KBP thing is no less of a public relations problem – regardless of the ‘truth’ behind it – than many that PR are quick to castigate BN for. I don’t think it would hurt PR at all in the long run, if any PR member was careless enough to elevate hope into the realms of fantasy, to demonstrate personal integrity and for a careless PR representative do what PR so often asks their opponents to do.

What are the facts as regards promises? Were the KBP villagers actually ‘led to believe’ anything at all?

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]]> By: anilnetto http://anilnetto.com/malaysian-politics/malaysian-elections/mca-split-ahead-of-bagan-pinang-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-33039 anilnetto Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:20:05 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=15727#comment-33039 To be fair, I don't think Guan Eng made such a campaign promise ahead of the general election, though his people/Pakatan allies might have. To be fair, I don’t think Guan Eng made such a campaign promise ahead of the general election, though his people/Pakatan allies might have.

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]]> By: Gerakan K http://anilnetto.com/malaysian-politics/malaysian-elections/mca-split-ahead-of-bagan-pinang-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-33036 Gerakan K Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:53:20 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=15727#comment-33036 Bravo BN! Now hardcore supporters of PR should wakeup and join us to pressure LGE to reveal all exco minutes. People hate to see PR "cakap tak serupa bikin" attitude and PAS nonsense. Bravo BN! Now hardcore supporters of PR should wakeup and join us to pressure LGE to reveal all exco minutes. People hate to see PR “cakap tak serupa bikin” attitude and PAS nonsense.

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]]> By: Sean http://anilnetto.com/malaysian-politics/malaysian-elections/mca-split-ahead-of-bagan-pinang-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-33029 Sean Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:23:07 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=15727#comment-33029 I don't think Anil is being biased. Did LGE promise the KBP residents they wouldn't have to leave their homes if he ran Penang? If he did, he broke a campaign promise. In an election based democracy, that's as bad as it gets. All we have to go on to select our politicians is their promises. How are we to effectively take part in democracy if their promises mean nothing? IF LGE really made that promise, if he hasn't actually been dishonest (there's neither evidence nor suggestion of it), he has only been incompetent. For the sake of Transparency and closure for the ex-KBP residents, divulging information relevant to the transaction seems like a good idea. As for Accountability, LGE is a young man, he has a long career in politics ahead of him if his father is any indication. DAP are not backward in calling for resignations when they find fault with BN representatives or public officials. IF he really has broken a campaign promise, I think he should resign. He can sit on the backbenches or take an exco position. I think it would be a great way for DAP to demonstrate its commitment to personal integrity. Wong offered to resign, when she'd clearly done nothing wrong. If LGE really was powerless (the best possible explanation) he was wrong to make the promise. CAT is a great idea. If what we get instead is Incompetence, Opacity and Unaccountability (did the KBP residents get their IOU?), then exactly what change are we expected to support? "Nobody should question"? "Close one eye"? "Jus' accep' i'"? What change is that? Blind support for elected officials is what brought Malaysia to the condition it is in now. If anything is to change, it is our attitude to criticism. I don’t think Anil is being biased. Did LGE promise the KBP residents they wouldn’t have to leave their homes if he ran Penang? If he did, he broke a campaign promise. In an election based democracy, that’s as bad as it gets. All we have to go on to select our politicians is their promises. How are we to effectively take part in democracy if their promises mean nothing?

IF LGE really made that promise, if he hasn’t actually been dishonest (there’s neither evidence nor suggestion of it), he has only been incompetent. For the sake of Transparency and closure for the ex-KBP residents, divulging information relevant to the transaction seems like a good idea. As for Accountability, LGE is a young man, he has a long career in politics ahead of him if his father is any indication. DAP are not backward in calling for resignations when they find fault with BN representatives or public officials. IF he really has broken a campaign promise, I think he should resign. He can sit on the backbenches or take an exco position. I think it would be a great way for DAP to demonstrate its commitment to personal integrity. Wong offered to resign, when she’d clearly done nothing wrong. If LGE really was powerless (the best possible explanation) he was wrong to make the promise.

CAT is a great idea. If what we get instead is Incompetence, Opacity and Unaccountability (did the KBP residents get their IOU?), then exactly what change are we expected to support? “Nobody should question”? “Close one eye”? “Jus’ accep’ i’”? What change is that?

Blind support for elected officials is what brought Malaysia to the condition it is in now. If anything is to change, it is our attitude to criticism.

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