P Vwaishhnnavi, the six-year-old niece of detained Hindraf leader P Uthayakumar, and her mother K Shanti were released today
But should they even have been held in the first place?
They were held until late last night. (But both didn’t want to leave their comrades after they were allowed to go, reported Malaysiakini.) For what? Reading out a memo, sending a greeting card and appealing for the release of ISA detainees ahead of Diwali?
And why were the other 10 arrested and now taken to court? To faciliate investigations, apparently. The KL police chief is reported in today’s Sun as saying they were detained for representing or acting for an outlawed organisation or group under Section 48 of the Societies Act.
We live in an upside-down world. In a functioning democracy, investigations are carried out first and only then are arrests made, if their are solid grounds to secure a conviction in court. Here it appears to be the other way round. Arrest first and then investigate later.
Would anyone in government care to look into the root causes of their unhappiness and grievances?
Anil, you wrote”
“But should they even have been held in the first place?”
This is the wrong question. The right should be like this:
“But should they even have BE THERE in first place?”
Why some people think its okay to involve a 6 year old very young lady in an illegal gathering, regardless of whatever purpose of it?
poor the kid. she had to spend hours at the police station not knowing what she had done and why she was there. i guess she has to attend pre schooling on the next day right? so, there u are. thank you for making another wastefull day for indian community…
dont simply blame the police for having to take them to police station. what makes u think it WILL not be a repeat of the last hindraf gathering at KL which things turned very rough?
if something happen to that kid, i am VERY VERY VERY sure it will be something u can put on the other people, especially police and that baldie. yea. all other’s fault. not urs.
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No No No! We are looking at this from the wrong angle. The kid is family and only wanted to show the PM that they want their family back together. And what is wrong with giving a memo to the PM and who says they represent HINDRAF, legally HINDRAF does not exist.
The gormen is using strong arm tactics like in a dictatorship ruled country that says that if we (the gormen) dont like it, you dont do it, whether it is right or wrong does not matter.
This gormen has lost it and are now showing the rakyat who is boss. Carry on like this and next GE you are gone. Lets pray that nothing else happens in between
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drMpower, get your facts right. They went as private citizens to present a card and flowers. If your loved one was in prison during the festive season, wouldn’t you do everything you could to get them released? What kind of heartless creature are you? So now, giving cards and flowers to the PM is a threat to the nation? And 6-year old girls deserve to be detained… for giving cards and flowers? Why couldn’t they send the girl home? The young girl and her mother should be commended for their bravery, instead of having to listen to criticisms from cowards and Mahathir sycophants like you. JR
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drmpower,
You posted worst than ANIL.
Put yourselves and your mates’ children into her position.
I’m sure you and your mates kids will be there doing the same .
I challege you to bring all your mates to condemn ISA and release them immediately.
If you guys have no b… or whatsoever.
You have one rule for these poor souls and another for your mates.
Don’t talk/post c…. here.
My sympathies to all arrested from down under.
Happy Devali.
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What sort of civilized nation are we living in. (Detaining) a six year kindergarten kid! Imagine, how traumatized she will be.
A (heartless) govt not fit to rule…
After 30 years absence, I thought things have changed for the better in Malaysia, I am WRONG!
Nothing has changed.
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Malaysia’s tamils, orang aslis and some chinese and singhs are now in our very poor category. Yet this government (mainly) helps those who belong to a particular race and religion. how unfair is that? We must claim our rights we must fight for our rights. Get up all you maniams, ah chongs and singhs. tunggu ape lagi! Presently in Malaysia you have no rights! Yes you have no rights!
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drmpower,
You are nothing but a running …. or … of the police and UMNO who absolutely does not understand the position of all those who were unjustly detained for nothing more than legitimate peaceful petition. It is people like you who support the ISA and condone all the mess this despicable gomen has caused this beautiful country over the past 50 years. It is time they (and their sympathisers like you) should be chucked out.
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Look it will be Deepavali coming Monday let all the Indian have
a jolly holiday and make peace. Should the HM keeps going on a
offensive direction it will not help. As of now the HM has a personnel vendetta on all that goes against him. He thinks he is mighty and call all the shots . Cowardly he uses a weapon the ISA otherwise, he is nothing just like an old crazy ….
As for those that want to send any cards gift please dont use any
children as they may fall as unnecessary victims.
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… just SICK!
6 yr old!!!
just take the card & send her home… how much damage can that do? versus now trying to save her mental health of detention for what she thought was pure & goodwill!!!
…pls be more careful…. don’t back down… but kids’ mental health may not be worth the risk..
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drmpower
i hope you get ISA’d for your own safety without investigation before your new year comes around and then your wife, children and supporters get ISA’d as well when they approach the PM or Home Minister peacefully to secure your release.
As for the incident last year, evrything was calm and peaceful until the police fired tear gas and pepper-laced water at the demonstrators. I recently saw on M’sian tv an incident free protest march of 200,000 Muslims in Kashmir, while the Indian police kept a very safe distance away. Now why can’t that be applied here?
http://donplaypuks.blogspot.com
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Are you saying that it is now illegal for a few Indians to gather together in public?? Are we now a serious threat to the nation? Just being at the gates to seek permission to see the PM warrants an arrest and a week of remand for investigation? what investigations why the need for a week? This is truly a police state now. No doubt about it. And yes, we have to all now collectively stand up to voice our disgust of such treatment. We cannot sit back …! MAKKAL SAKTHI!
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The government should not confront the Indians in this manner. Engage and talk to them about their grievances. There are so many poor Indians – the displaced Indians from all quarters who need help. By confronting the people in this manner, BN will lose more support not only from the Indians but also from the Malays, Chinese and Others. Some newspapers are not highlighting the plight of the Indians but picturing them as a threat to the nation. Has any Indian for this reason carried arms against the government. No. They are peaceful gatherers. They cannot be equated with Al Arqam, as the Indians in this country are peace loving people. The picture of Ghandi only portrays non-violence. The poor Indians need help. That’s all. Why picture them negatively for some cheap political mileage?
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Joe Rakyat, Geo Geo, and xyz,
maybe the ID i am using, pissed u off rather than my point of argument. but thats not the answer for what i’ve been asking: what the …. that young lady was doing there? dont tell me this was a one off thing. last time, they also sent someone very young to Parliament for whatever reason i dont care.
I am of the opinion that, those young ladies dont deserve to the used as to please someone. or to show something of compassionate love of a child so that the authority will let the men out.
someone of you three ask me to put myself in the young lady’s. okay. if i were be able to do that, i will tell my ‘dad’ that dont go and create havoc there. because ‘my daddy’ got me to think of. and mom.and our family. to feed us all. so why ‘daddy’ wanna go there and mislead 50,000 indians into believing something that very very not true. so, now, ‘daddy’ been captured under ISA and still not got out this coming Deepavali. so, be it ‘daddy’. now ‘daddy’, r u happy?
so Joe Rakyat was banging about how ‘unhumane’ i am. okay, if i am that ‘inhuman’ then i would ask the police to keep the man out of ISA, but lock in his families instead. so that the man WILL NOT be joining any illegal movements whatsoever. and i will never let his families out. thats ‘inhumane’ for u Joe Rakyat. but i dont do that. i dont want to do that. because i know whats wrong and whats right. ISA is a preventitive act, so that people will not cross the line. if the lines crossed, i believe Joe Rakyat and his family will be involving in big bloodshed. so, its very crucial that we PREVENT people from crossing the line.
xyz gone about me being something of running …. no i am not. i am telling u because this is the bitter side of the truth. everybody is banging about why the police detained that young lady. the fact that matter is, the young lady had not been arrested. detain mean arrest and meaning she got criminal record. but she was not detain or arrested. get the record straight.
now thanks to the ‘detention’ of the young lady, everybody is escalating their ‘hatred’ to ISA and police. and of course that baldie. because these people like to see ‘half of the drama’ only. they are not interested in that 50,000 people flooding KL and disturbing businesses and tarnish the countries image. or giving other indians, chinese, malaysians hard time on that day. and the days after the incidents. and they also reject the view of WHY the KID is there, by hiding behind family ties thing or whatever.
i am telling the other half of truth that seem no one is interested. and ah to some people, i would like to tell u that, i am not anyone’s running …. and i dont get paid to post on anil’s web. no need to thank me.
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I don’t ever remember having any racial issues with any of my non-indian friends for the past 50 years of my life. Infact we lived a life of bliss with one another.But today my so called leaders are coming up with programmes aimed at enhancing racial ties with one another. In the first place who is responsible for the tension and the mistrust with one another? Isn’t it a game of divide and rule for political mileage and self benefit among the few ‘so called guardians of justice?’ (Some of) our school going children are suffering the blatant abuse of racial sentiments by teachers and schoolmates. How sad!!! Now they are trying to stifle our concerns, nomatter how peacefully it is done!! Is’nt our former PM responsible for all this utter state of affairs in our country and he still is not finished yet!! MAY GOD HAVE MERCY..!!
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The key words are “functioning democracy”. We do not live in a country that practises democracy – what we have is sham democracy.
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I believe after the Hari Raya “selectively open” house incident, they were told there were other venues and outlets for them to air their grievances – yet earlier this week the police were stationed to bar them from Parliament, and now when they go to Putrajaya, they are arrested!
Can someone in BN please clarify exactly which are the other venues and outlets alluded to?
On another note, as much as I believe in Vwaishhnnavi’s right to be at these gatherings, I really cannot approve of any child being subjected to this kind of danger and harassment.
It is a noble cause and good for the country/ community– but is this good for her? She will carry scars for years to come.
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drmpower, u r another umno … on earth…you family members shud be all in jail under ISA, so that u can enjoy hari raya with the PM and cabinet members…..
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Hindraf is banned la ..
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did the young girl in the first place give approval to her family when asked wether she wanna go for the demo or not ? she is only 11 ok ..
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drnpower/joe rakyat whatever
Don’t ry and sell us this BN horses*** that busineeses will be affected and that people will be inconvenienced when Hindraf and others demo peacefully for their rights accorded by the Constitution and that’s a reason to turn on the water cannons and launch the tear gas cannisters.
If you don’t speak up and stand up for corruption, racism, facism, Ketuanan Melayu, apartheid, ISA, PPPA, arbitary and selective use of Sedition Act etc, today, tomorrow you might not have a business or people left to defend anything. Just look at what’s been happening in Argentina, Paraguay, N.Korea, Burma etc etc etc in recent years.
And if you were unjustly ISA’d, you daughter should not fight for your freedom? And I Polis Raja does not need a little girl to command hatred. They have achieved that distinction admirably by their own … conduct over the last 30 years and are still defying the RCI on them!
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drmpower,
Looks like you & families have not experienced detention under ISA.
Go request for one…get the feel.I believe you can get to Syed’s office without an appointment.
The young lady proved she have not been used coz she have presented herself numerous times to protest and ask for the release of elders dearest to her in the most gentle way…she did not get there with C4 attached but with flowers,greeting cards. Are all these against the law ???
You called her “being used”…you talk like Umno/BN ….You just get the “feel” then get back to us OK . Its esay for you just to post your rebuttals.
Alternatively, join the Anti-ISA group when they next protest.
Malaysians should organise all young children to do the same.
I would allow my grandchildren, nephews/nieces to join them if there is such an action/s.
VMAISHNNAVI, we love you & YOU DID RIGHT.
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HIndraf is irrelevant to indians… its looks like they are causing so much hate and malice… if our present leaders have been accused of lies and oppressing its citizens, what abt Hindraf leader’s claim on genocide and ethnic cleansing?? why did he go all the way to india to bring bad name to our country.. why did he have to lie abt the way things are in malaysia.. and now why is the so-called waythamoorthy enjoying his bloody life in london while putting hiw wife and children through trauma??? why is this waythamoorty so silent on india’s oppression of christians?? after all he went all the way there to complain of oppression of indians in malaysia?? double standards ????
so much money have spent on their lousy campaign when all the fund could be used to help an indian family out of poverty.. but like always people will not listen to sound reasoning… they will follow their emotions…
try to think… US & the world intervened in Bosnia, rwanda, south africa, kosovo… but why do none of the world leaders give any attention on Hindraf’s “call for help”.. simple… because they know its not true…
The fact is… our govt is not perfect… but so is Hindraf… Therefore please please dont turn this morons into heroes… it only happens in tamil movies…
If you learn the facts, u will know that this hindraf bunch are just using people and the people’s emotions for their own purpose…
imagine what would happen if one this so-called morons become the leaders of our nations…. oh boy.. God help us…
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drMpower on October 24th, 2008 at 7.07pm
There can only be right or wrong.
There can only be Just or Unjust.
This time, you are standing on the opposite
side from the rakyat here.
To begin with, We don’t believed in ISA, you do.
That’s a big big difference!
I suppose you have yet to understand what ISA
is truly intended for, never mind.
Allow me to help you entangle your thoughts and perception.
I must say thought, you are right to say this is not a one off thing. The family wish it was, I wish it was, in fact the entire rakyat wish it was. If only the ISA detainees were released first time. Don’t you think so? I bet you beg for another reasons why they continue to have ’2 off thing’. Well, I supposed some ‘nuts think they are in heaven’ just cannot understand the word ‘Just”.
I must say, you are least qualify to answer the what if you are in the lady’s shoe question. Why? Simply because you refused to removed your own shoes (Perception and pre-judgment). So, spare the the story telling about what IF.. father, mom,child, thing…
How would anyone here expect you to understand the word ‘bitter’ truth, when you are not the one, in jail?
On the subject of ppl escalating hatred, listen carefully…
Did you know that the rakyat have progress? Nobody with a simple IQ or common sense need to be incite or to escalate hatred. Hate is something that has to be EARNED, meaning someone or some croonies doing unjust things repeatly over many times for extended period.
Think about it, do you wake up one morning and suddenly start to hate someone? Supposingly, your definition of ‘hate’ is right, do you think the police and others above also qualify for it? And if Yes, ask yourself, why?
One more thing, true rakyat today, inspite of the (hate), this group of people did not shout, not hostile (horse-style), shout slogans, waving banners, give warnings, (unlike others), peaceful also kena tangkap. I suppose you don’t enjoy it, do you?
I want to believed you are a peaceful and a good rakyat, unfortunately this time round we are just standing on the different half of the truth.
Take it easy pal, a long way towards Bangsa Satu.
But we’ll all get there, eventually.
Peace to all
Cheers.
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drMpower,
I wonder if you are aware of the real reason the ISA act was formulated in the first place. If you are not aware then here it is…
It was formulated to contain the communist threat. Then the Govt of the day started using this act against all forms of opposition against them in power. Think of TDM and Operation LALANG where the Govt of TDM incarcerated many (108 I think) of the opposition parliamentarians under the ISA Act. I wonder if any of these opposition parliamentarians were members of the CPM. Now it is used against anybody who stands up against this RACIST GOVT.
What do U call this kind of action?
LONG LIVE MAKKAL SAKTI
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drmpower,
The THRUTH,
I grew up in Malaysia. I’m not Indian.
I lived in a town surrounded by estates and kampongs where all the Indian and Malay boys and girls are my classmates in School. We even attend tuition classes together. WE play sports of all sorts together too.
We attended each other’s festive celebrations in our homes.We were very poor then
drmpower,
No body lies…You refused to believe.
“I have crossed more bridges than you have eaten salt.”
I have witnessed poverty and how the have-nots were discarded by the Government for the many decades while I was still living in the country.With all the progress over the last two decades, I m surprise there are still so many left behind. I’m one of the many fortunate ones, but many of my friends are not and still living in the same hometown.
Those who protested and will continue to protest are the living beings who may be my friends who I went to school and played with ,siblings,families, children and their children.
These are facts, I witnessed and will always believe.
drmpower,submit youself to the real world in Malaysia.
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