Comments on: Penang shoreline hit by erosion http://anilnetto.com/environmentclimate-change/penang-shoreline-hit-by-erosion/ Let justice flow like a mighty river Sat, 19 May 2012 10:36:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Iron http://anilnetto.com/environmentclimate-change/penang-shoreline-hit-by-erosion/comment-page-1/#comment-38962 Iron Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:08:35 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18700#comment-38962 Umm... Anil, would you mind re-read the report from the National Hydraulic Research Institute of Malaysia again? " ... <i>that reclamation works had brought about significant geological changes that in turn </i> <b>may have</b> <i> led to alterations in tidal patterns in the Penang Channel and the surrounding seas. </i> " See the conditional word "<i>MAY</i>" ? Which means, it's an <b>assumption</b> !! One simply can't attribute the beach erosion to one specific cause --- and in this case, the land reclamation --- base on the an assumption. Unless that National Hydraulic Research Institute of Malaysia has a definite scientific proof to indicate otherwise, all talks regarding "beach erosion cause by land reclamation" will stay as rumors. And you don't want to be a journalist reporting rumors, do you, Anil? Umm… Anil, would you mind re-read the report from the National Hydraulic Research Institute of Malaysia again?

” … that reclamation works had brought about significant geological changes that in turn may have led to alterations in tidal patterns in the Penang Channel and the surrounding seas. ”

See the conditional word “MAY” ?

Which means, it’s an assumption !!

One simply can’t attribute the beach erosion to one specific cause — and in this case, the land reclamation — base on the an assumption.

Unless that National Hydraulic Research Institute of Malaysia has a definite scientific proof to indicate otherwise, all talks regarding “beach erosion cause by land reclamation” will stay as rumors.

And you don’t want to be a journalist reporting rumors, do you, Anil?

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]]> By: anilnetto http://anilnetto.com/environmentclimate-change/penang-shoreline-hit-by-erosion/comment-page-1/#comment-38944 anilnetto Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:41:21 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18700#comment-38944 If you read what I said, I mentioned that it was <strong>attributed</strong> to land reclamation work. It wasn't me doing the attibuting, it was a report cited in theSun i.e. <blockquote> The move follows a report by the National Hydraulic Research Institute of Malaysia (Nahrim) last year which indicated that reclamation works had brought about significant geological changes that in turn may have led to alterations in tidal patterns in the Penang Channel and the surrounding seas.</blockquote> If you read what I said, I mentioned that it was attributed to land reclamation work.

It wasn’t me doing the attibuting, it was a report cited in theSun i.e.

The move follows a report by the National Hydraulic Research Institute of Malaysia (Nahrim) last year which indicated that reclamation works had brought about significant geological changes that in turn may have led to alterations in tidal patterns in the Penang Channel and the surrounding seas.

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]]> By: kingkong http://anilnetto.com/environmentclimate-change/penang-shoreline-hit-by-erosion/comment-page-1/#comment-38930 kingkong Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:09:25 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18700#comment-38930 You are point your four fingers at yourself. You are point your four fingers at yourself.

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]]> By: Iron http://anilnetto.com/environmentclimate-change/penang-shoreline-hit-by-erosion/comment-page-1/#comment-38926 Iron Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:07:42 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18700#comment-38926 " <i> It is not accurate or even correct to fault the cause of tidal changes to land reclamation without a detail scientific study using hydrodynamic modeling. </i> " For the overzealous so-called " <i> environmentalists </i> ", no scientific evidence is necessary. As long as they think it is, it is. As long as they say it is, it is. So in this case, when Anil says "<b>it's the land reclamation that cost the change of the tidal wave that is eating up the shoreline</b>", you bet <i>it must be true</i> :) ” It is not accurate or even correct to fault the cause of tidal changes to land reclamation without a detail scientific study using hydrodynamic modeling. ”

For the overzealous so-called ” environmentalists “, no scientific evidence is necessary.

As long as they think it is, it is.

As long as they say it is, it is.

So in this case, when Anil says “it’s the land reclamation that cost the change of the tidal wave that is eating up the shoreline“, you bet it must be true :)

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]]> By: Iron http://anilnetto.com/environmentclimate-change/penang-shoreline-hit-by-erosion/comment-page-1/#comment-38925 Iron Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:03:02 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18700#comment-38925 You mean it's a "no no" to shout at Zaid Ibrahim ? So the people must sayang Zaid Ibrahim in order to be in the "right camp" ? Just what type of logic is that?? You mean it’s a “no no” to shout at Zaid Ibrahim ?

So the people must sayang Zaid Ibrahim in order to be in the “right camp” ?

Just what type of logic is that??

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]]> By: Iron http://anilnetto.com/environmentclimate-change/penang-shoreline-hit-by-erosion/comment-page-1/#comment-38924 Iron Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:00:14 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18700#comment-38924 Dear Mr. Ong, The planting of mangrove is not for environment protection, nor for stopping the beach erosion. It is for political reason. You see, there is a "Yang Berbasikal" (yeah, from <b>DAP</b>) who promised to "<b>plant a million trees</b>" and in order to do that, LGE (perhaps) has to cut down a lot of trees and then replant them. So the mangrove in Tanjung Tokong is gone. Which means they can plant mangrove in other areas, and who knows, they might even plant 1 million mangrove trees ! LGE may not know about environment but he does know politics ! Dear Mr. Ong,

The planting of mangrove is not for environment protection, nor for stopping the beach erosion.

It is for political reason.

You see, there is a “Yang Berbasikal” (yeah, from DAP) who promised to “plant a million trees” and in order to do that, LGE (perhaps) has to cut down a lot of trees and then replant them.

So the mangrove in Tanjung Tokong is gone. Which means they can plant mangrove in other areas, and who knows, they might even plant 1 million mangrove trees !

LGE may not know about environment but he does know politics !

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]]> By: Iron http://anilnetto.com/environmentclimate-change/penang-shoreline-hit-by-erosion/comment-page-1/#comment-38923 Iron Thu, 11 Feb 2010 06:53:37 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18700#comment-38923 There were some trees alongside the road, and they cut all of them down, except <b>one</b>. That one, the one with a hole in the trunk, they dare not cut it down. So they got a sinseh or someone who know those things to set a fire inside that hole. As the fire was burning, I happened to drive by. Believe it or not, I saw a figure dancing in the fire inside that hole in that tree trunk. After the fire, they cut down the tree. And in the spot where that tree used to be, they set up a small "ang kong keng". Superstitious or not, hehe, who knows? :) There were some trees alongside the road, and they cut all of them down, except one.

That one, the one with a hole in the trunk, they dare not cut it down. So they got a sinseh or someone who know those things to set a fire inside that hole.

As the fire was burning, I happened to drive by.

Believe it or not, I saw a figure dancing in the fire inside that hole in that tree trunk.

After the fire, they cut down the tree. And in the spot where that tree used to be, they set up a small “ang kong keng”.

Superstitious or not, hehe, who knows? :)

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]]> By: Iron http://anilnetto.com/environmentclimate-change/penang-shoreline-hit-by-erosion/comment-page-1/#comment-38917 Iron Thu, 11 Feb 2010 05:18:58 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18700#comment-38917 As I said, other than personal attack and character assassination, what else do you contribute in this thread? As I said, other than personal attack and character assassination, what else do you contribute in this thread?

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]]> By: Iron http://anilnetto.com/environmentclimate-change/penang-shoreline-hit-by-erosion/comment-page-1/#comment-38916 Iron Thu, 11 Feb 2010 05:17:52 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18700#comment-38916 Other than personal attack against Ong Eu Soon, what else this KingKong is able to do? Other than personal attack against Ong Eu Soon, what else this KingKong is able to do?

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]]> By: Iron http://anilnetto.com/environmentclimate-change/penang-shoreline-hit-by-erosion/comment-page-1/#comment-38896 Iron Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:36:33 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18700#comment-38896 Wait ! Just before anyone start pointing fingers at the land reclamation --- Where is the <b>SCIENTIFIC PROOF</b> that the erosion is caused by "Changing tidal waves <b>caused by land reclamation</b>" ? Tidal pattern could changed. But is it caused by the land reclamation? How much effect does land reclamation has in the "changing tidal waves"? Is the effect great enough to cause the beach erosion? Could the beach erosion happened anyway, with or without the land reclamation, due to climate changes --- ie El Nino and Al Nina ? I am <b>NOT</b> for land reclamation, but I am stickler to the truth. Blaming land reclamation is a <b>cop out</b> if you guys have <i>NO</i> scientific proof. Wait !

Just before anyone start pointing fingers at the land reclamation — Where is the SCIENTIFIC PROOF that the erosion is caused by “Changing tidal waves caused by land reclamation” ?

Tidal pattern could changed. But is it caused by the land reclamation?

How much effect does land reclamation has in the “changing tidal waves”?

Is the effect great enough to cause the beach erosion?

Could the beach erosion happened anyway, with or without the land reclamation, due to climate changes — ie El Nino and Al Nina ?

I am NOT for land reclamation, but I am stickler to the truth.

Blaming land reclamation is a cop out if you guys have NO scientific proof.

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