What about unapproved projects? Even here the State Govt has made no cogent moves… one can only assume it cares more for developers than the rest. Please let this sink in: Do you know the Penang State Govt does NOT comply with Ministry of Environment recommendations in respect of gradients?

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If the site classification is IV, then it is very clear. Full stop. No argument. Neither the Engineer will take the risk as he can be deregistered as like the case in PJ where the Architect increase the number of floors in a building and the developer wants to get away by paying fine.
But if the person approves it, then he ought to be sack or ask for MACCA and investigate like the former DPM. But it shows that you are not jughead as people has been going along with BN voting them into office again and again.

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And I AM involved in helping out the poor, directly; both in my involvement with NGOs as well as as a loose coalition of individuals who sincerely care. So, yes, I know the difference. Oh, so I notice you only mentioned NGOs or rather ‘charity organizations’ as you put it that are known internationally. These are NGOs, I’m sure you know that right? And I’m sure you know the difference between an NGO and a charity organization being a very informed person that you are. And do you know that there are also local NGOs around apart from the international ones that you normally hear about on TV? I’m sure you’ve heard of them. They do need help you know, especially concerned citizens like your kind self.

I’m sorry but I don’t quite agree with you that only the fates of the poor are left to the ‘charity organizations’. TBRA is fighting for everyone. If they win this battle, it will be a landmark for other neighbourhoods to follow, rich or poor

Eh? Haven’t you heard that Penangites didn’t vote for BN in the recent General Election? hhmm… I expected more from you Jughead Darling..

You see, My Dear Jughead, I know what I am talking about. As for putting food to the table, I think we have to be realistic here that everyone needs to work to put food to the table no? Peace be with you… *wink*

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George,
What are the contingency plans of preventing such fallouts from lawsuits from the developers? Is TBRA going to raise fund to fund the penalties payout in any case of banning all current hill slope projects?
Do you know how much the state government budgetted to collect for this year? How much government expenditures would be for this year? The reserves? And the federal government is not going a hoot of helping the state government due to partisan politics.
How would you resolve these problems when your porposal of all CURRENT hill slope projects is accepted by the government of the day? It’s like nailing a leak. You create more leaks. The state government would bleed to death. Every Penangites would suffer at the end.

George,
Please address this concern first. It matters to every Penangites not to see all essential services rendered by state government went bust because of such acceptance proposal proposeed by TBRA

People,
Perhaps, this would be much better solution. So called TB residents can leave Batu Ferringgi and stayed elsewhere. Of course, with land parcel exhanges subject to extensive nego with the state government.Then, Raise the land taxes and assessments in the hill slope housing estates skyhigh so as to discourage people into staying in those areas. Plus they should be made signning an indemnity form

George,
I am totally pissed (including plenty of Penangites I believe) of such statement I quote

” c. You are brainless ”

Kindly respect other peoples’ opinions. And one thing, I am not saying that I am totally ignorant of the real problems. Heck, I stayed in one of those area in Kuala Kangsar when I was young. I understand & emphatise what you mean.

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As already mentioned
a. We do not speak for ourselves – we have support. All 1,558 of us And you – YOu have none.
b. We are talking about Dangerous Hill Slope Development in this topic, not Ah Gee and Ah Joe as you put it
c. Chee Seng Hill is not all rock – is is mainly red soil with large boulders & rocks here and there
d. It is being built on very steep CLass IV cliff and not flat land
d. TBRA was set up in mid 2006 and we did make “noise” (as you put it) with the prior CM, who we already said was unresponsive and in short quite useless under the yoke of UMNO
e. THere is no rock outcrop or flat land where Bolton Surin is building. They are cutting further into an already steep Class IV hill – you are totally ignorant of the slope condition in Chee Seng nor the soil stucture and thus you are presently talking c….
f. Yes you are deviating from the topic, as we are not talking about any other matter except Building on dangerous hill slopes. THe rest of the problems of this world will have to wait another day
g. We all agree this is situation is caused by the old BN Govt. But if the new Govt won’t deal with it, who will? YOU?? Hardly – am I right as you keep defending the developer/s. WHY, I wonder??

So this is my last response to you on the matter as really there is nothing more to add, Jughead.

By and by – your name does say something about you. Jughead!!

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Can you tell me apart from speaking about Tg Bungah, whereas TBRA is concerned about other’s environment?

Is TBRA a pressure group or a charitable organisation? Helping those people in Sarawak about clean water and helpless children are left to charity organisations eg World Vision and Oxfarm or Rotary and Lion Clubs or Red Cross. Can you differentiate the two functions?

Clearly you do not understand about the dikes in Holland. Most of the country are below sea level and it is worst than a hill slip if the dikes are breached like those happen in New Orleans

You brought out about the Work Ethics. But why Penang People continue to vote for BN and Gerakan for the past few elections if they do not consider people’s feeling like what you are shouting about? Now you start to Ah Gee and Ah Joe. As you mentioned yourself, you are more concerned with food on the table and not concern what BN Government is doing? Isn’t it TBRA is self-interest?

George
I am not deviating the topic. Many poor people are living near rail tracks, rivers that are treated as rubbish or redeveloped land where polluting factories are sited. The land are contaminated. Who speak for them as they are living in danger zone just as what you feel about Tg Bungah hills?

I totally agree with you that due to zoning or regulations we must follow the guidelines as to the classifications of hillslopes and zones. But if the land is flat with with spot that is a rock outcrop, do you mean building is not allowed?

As for Council approving, please clarify if they are under BN or present Government? If Council approves them when it is listed,as Class IV why the matter was not raised with previous ADUN or Government or with the MACCA? Apparently TBRA looks for the easy way and is more concerned with the food on the table as one member said.

I do share your concern if the hills are susceptible to slope failures and slips and also in Class IV areas. But the matter should have been raised with the previous government. But as far as the last election, TBRA hardly make it an election issue. So whose fault if TBRA did not speak out in the early stage? Now TBRA start to Ah Gee and Ah Joe.

It is strange that to go back to the vomit when BN government approves all the development without listing to the residents.

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We do not only speak for ourselves but we have got 1,558 other people from Tanjong Bunga who signed a petition who agree with us and have said the same thing as what our memorandum states to the Govt.

So lets not confuse our support. We have it. Do you have any support to show that you speak for large portion of people in your area. If so, pls show us. Otherwise do not write and say we have no support.

The issues here TODAY are
a. did the City Council Officers in CHarge do right in approving a hill slope development that is clearly in Class IV.
b. Why did he Council NOT take action all this while when there was land Development works being done on land outside the approved permit i.e. the Geotech report was for Lot 4189 but the developers are happily clearing on 4165 and 4166 and perhaps 4188.
c. Why does the city council NOT take action for all the wrongs committed by the developer to mitigate the land development works or upon clearing the land when they do not comply. It is all stated in the Geotech report. It is NOT being followed.

So, Jughead – Pls do not cloud the issue about poor people here and there. That is another issue for another day. AGAIN I remind you that the issue is ALL about building structures on very steep slopes that have the potential to a landslide – just like Highland Tower & Bukit Antarabangsa – Is calling out for a review and to save our lives in the future so wrong. AND precisely Because it is so CLOSE to existing homes (@ 10 – 13 meters away is the nearest row of houses), it is dangerous. That is all. Thank you for you time to read Jughead

Thank you

George Aeria
Chee Seng & TBRA

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As for giving chances to our local engineers. I do agree that we need to give our local engineers to prove that they are as good as the Dutch engineers in building the dikes, but not at the expense of people’s lives. There’re obviously a lot of differences in the law enforcement and work ethics between the powers that be in the Netherlands and this country where most of the time, we, Malaysians are left on our own to fend for ourselves while the law enforcement officers are trained to protect the powers that be. So, what is wrong with TBRA fighting for their own rights?

Again Jughead, if you really feel that you can contribute, maybe you can start with helping the poor people that you are obviously concerned about. And while you are at it, you might want to look into how to help the stateless children in Sabah; children of migrants who were left by their parents to fend for themselves…Or the indigenous people in remote areas in Sarawak who do not have clean water to drink..May peace be with you..

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Those corrupted ones are those not directly responsible for the certification of the buildings. But if you ask the Engineer who certified, he would not take the risk. In fact sometimes, they do not have good night sleep if they think that the building or ground are not safe.

So the solution is to have a comprehesive review of the laws, zones, type of building structures and construction procedures and monitor them.

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