Comments on: Penang govt to widen consultation on wi-fi health risks http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/penang-govt-to-widen-consultation-on-wi-fi-health-risks/ Let justice flow like a mighty river Fri, 25 May 2012 18:31:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: George http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/penang-govt-to-widen-consultation-on-wi-fi-health-risks/comment-page-2/#comment-10959 George Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:34:28 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=3769#comment-10959 Just want change, I know everywhere people are poor, for instance in Portland, City Commissioner Erik Sten, spearheaded the outreach plan in December 2004, and brought down the "chronically homeless" from 1,438 to 386 in December. That's almost a 74% drop. The Penang homeless have to wait for the 10th Malaysia Plan and we are in 2008 currently on the 9th Malaysia Plan. Most of these homeless Penangites are carted away and relocated to Kedah or Pahang and placed into welfare homes. Anyway this topic is not about the homeless, that was an example of how good money can be spent. You know, being conservative is actually good as opposed to jumping on the bandwagon everytime something new pops up, like botox, viagra, plastic surgery, Wifi so on and so forth. They are only good for a short period of time and not in the long run. I am not opposing technology, im just saying that it needs a lot of attention to detail prior to implementing it in Penang. I never said for them to do this one at a time, they can coordinate with various goverment agencies simultaneously to achieve this. For me anything wired is safe as long as i dont go near it, anything wireless using the airwaves that we share must be considered crucially. Our technology is not very far behind, first we have to have the subscriber base to implement further technology. Why not opt for fibre optics or copper cables to gain that speed and technology for foreign investors, after all the foreign investors must be grounded somewhere in Penang. For instance, how many of you Malaysians out there are fed up that there are no options for subscribers to choose different TV cable companies. I am guilty, i want more TV Cable companies so i can choose what i want as opposed to being shoved in the face with only one. Again this totally relies on subscriber base, if you do not have an adequate amount of subscribers or (foreign investors) then forget about it. Dont get me wrong, i fully support technologies like Hybrid cars because a lot of studies have gone into it and the ourtcome to the environment are proven. Incidentally, the technological powerhouse of the world the US of A has the lowest output of Hybrid cars compared to our European counterparts. I am naive and so are a lot of them out there, but i am certainly not duplicitous. Have a good day friend. Just want change,
I know everywhere people are poor, for instance in Portland, City Commissioner Erik Sten, spearheaded the outreach plan in December 2004, and brought down the “chronically homeless” from 1,438 to 386 in December. That’s almost a 74% drop. The Penang homeless have to wait for the 10th Malaysia Plan and we are in 2008 currently on the 9th Malaysia Plan. Most of these homeless Penangites are carted away and relocated to Kedah or Pahang and placed into welfare homes. Anyway this topic is not about the homeless, that was an example of how good money can be spent. You know, being conservative is actually good as opposed to jumping on the bandwagon everytime something new pops up, like botox, viagra, plastic surgery, Wifi so on and so forth. They are only good for a short period of time and not in the long run. I am not opposing technology, im just saying that it needs a lot of attention to detail prior to implementing it in Penang. I never said for them to do this one at a time, they can coordinate with various goverment agencies simultaneously to achieve this. For me anything wired is safe as long as i dont go near it, anything wireless using the airwaves that we share must be considered crucially. Our technology is not very far behind, first we have to have the subscriber base to implement further technology. Why not opt for fibre optics or copper cables to gain that speed and technology for foreign investors, after all the foreign investors must be grounded somewhere in Penang. For instance, how many of you Malaysians out there are fed up that there are no options for subscribers to choose different TV cable companies. I am guilty, i want more TV Cable companies so i can choose what i want as opposed to being shoved in the face with only one. Again this totally relies on subscriber base, if you do not have an adequate amount of subscribers or (foreign investors) then forget about it. Dont get me wrong, i fully support technologies like Hybrid cars because a lot of studies have gone into it and the ourtcome to the environment are proven. Incidentally, the technological powerhouse of the world the US of A has the lowest output of Hybrid cars compared to our European counterparts. I am naive and so are a lot of them out there, but i am certainly not duplicitous. Have a good day friend.

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]]> By: Just want change http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/penang-govt-to-widen-consultation-on-wi-fi-health-risks/comment-page-2/#comment-10921 Just want change Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:16:51 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=3769#comment-10921 George, Everywhere has poor people, you are so naive to think that Portland does not have poor people who are homeless, who are living underneath fly over or bridges???? Portland is going to shutdown the wifi is not because of health concern, is because of its maintainance. Penang is a developing state, if we don't implement something what is so called "future technology" (actually, is existing technology, and we are so far behind, but yet still so conservative), then we can never march ahead. I do agree that Penang government should take care of other public wellfare, but it does not mean that we have to do things ONE AT A TIME.......We are emphazing on attracting High Tech companies to invest in Penang or even in Malaysia, we have a so called High Tech Park in Kulim, and the arguement we have here is so "Low Tech" without a proper proof or evident. This type of development can serve as a attraction point to foreign investors. Without more investment to Penang, it might create more employment and it will indirectly help those FAMILIES LIVING IN HUTS!!!! George,
Everywhere has poor people, you are so naive to think that Portland does not have poor people who are homeless, who are living underneath fly over or bridges???? Portland is going to shutdown the wifi is not because of health concern, is because of its maintainance. Penang is a developing state, if we don’t implement something what is so called “future technology” (actually, is existing technology, and we are so far behind, but yet still so conservative), then we can never march ahead. I do agree that Penang government should take care of other public wellfare, but it does not mean that we have to do things ONE AT A TIME…….We are emphazing on attracting High Tech companies to invest in Penang or even in Malaysia, we have a so called High Tech Park in Kulim, and the arguement we have here is so “Low Tech” without a proper proof or evident. This type of development can serve as a attraction point to foreign investors. Without more investment to Penang, it might create more employment and it will indirectly help those FAMILIES LIVING IN HUTS!!!!

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]]> By: George http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/penang-govt-to-widen-consultation-on-wi-fi-health-risks/comment-page-2/#comment-10916 George Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:03:01 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=3769#comment-10916 joolee thanks for your linked articles, they were useful, To think that people use this situation to earn an extra buck is sad. Despite all that it is still 50/50 on the Electromagnetic effects on humans. A long time ago on July 20, 1969 when the Apollo Spacecraft took mission to the moon everyone was glad but oblivious to the fact that the chemicals which were used on the rockets were harming the ozone layers. Years later they debated about it and came to a conclusion that space travel and conquering the galaxy was more important. Again the humans are the ones to suffer and have fallen to deceit. Just a reminder to "Just want change" Portland Wifi intends to shut down it's operation's soon. Again this may not be a radiation issue but instead a white elephant which costs more to maintain. We the people of Malaysia do not want our Goverments to spend tax payers money without planning ahead for the future. For gods sake there are still families living in huts in Penang, what about Portland, USA? joolee thanks for your linked articles, they were useful, To think that people use this situation to earn an extra buck is sad. Despite all that it is still 50/50 on the Electromagnetic effects on humans. A long time ago on July 20, 1969 when the Apollo Spacecraft took mission to the moon everyone was glad but oblivious to the fact that the chemicals which were used on the rockets were harming the ozone layers. Years later they debated about it and came to a conclusion that space travel and conquering the galaxy was more important. Again the humans are the ones to suffer and have fallen to deceit. Just a reminder to “Just want change” Portland Wifi intends to shut down it’s operation’s soon. Again this may not be a radiation issue but instead a white elephant which costs more to maintain. We the people of Malaysia do not want our Goverments to spend tax payers money without planning ahead for the future. For gods sake there are still families living in huts in Penang, what about Portland, USA?

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]]> By: joolee http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/penang-govt-to-widen-consultation-on-wi-fi-health-risks/comment-page-2/#comment-10863 joolee Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:48:38 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=3769#comment-10863 came across these articles this morning. thought they'd add to the debate: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/oct/06/radiation.fears http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/index.php/site/project/256/ came across these articles this morning. thought they’d add to the debate:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/oct/06/radiation.fears
http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/index.php/site/project/256/

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]]> By: Just want change http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/penang-govt-to-widen-consultation-on-wi-fi-health-risks/comment-page-2/#comment-10853 Just want change Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:38:21 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=3769#comment-10853 I don't understand about all these public health concerns. I do read about an article talking about wifi leading to cancer, but there are all kinds of such articles on NET now. If we are going to decide something based on those NET articles, we can never go anywhere. I am in Portland, USA but I am a Penangite; and Portland is a Wifi city for years, just like what Penang government is going to do. And I never heard anything about health risk or any reports on health damage from both the public and the government of Portland. People have been doing this for years, and we are arguing about whether it is good for us??? Why don't we take some real cases for study.... I don’t understand about all these public health concerns. I do read about an article talking about wifi leading to cancer, but there are all kinds of such articles on NET now. If we are going to decide something based on those NET articles, we can never go anywhere.

I am in Portland, USA but I am a Penangite; and Portland is a Wifi city for years, just like what Penang government is going to do. And I never heard anything about health risk or any reports on health damage from both the public and the government of Portland. People have been doing this for years, and we are arguing about whether it is good for us??? Why don’t we take some real cases for study….

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]]> By: George http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/penang-govt-to-widen-consultation-on-wi-fi-health-risks/comment-page-2/#comment-10851 George Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:09:20 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=3769#comment-10851 There are no conclusive evidence that WiFi can adversely harm any living thing on this planet. Although the research is still at an early stage and will probably take another 100 years of pushing papers back and forth while giving out some ang pows under the table delaying the final conclusion that yes it is harmful, but by then Malaysia will have people with two heads and two limbs walking backwards and s***ting from their mouths. For more details on Electromagnetic Safety see http://www.icems.eu/benevento_resolution.htm I think it's much safer to do bungee jumping, skydiving, wrestle a crocodile or eat all that China goodies filled with Melamine. There are no conclusive evidence that WiFi can adversely harm any living thing on this planet. Although the research is still at an early stage and will probably take another 100 years of pushing papers back and forth while giving out some ang pows under the table delaying the final conclusion that yes it is harmful, but by then Malaysia will have people with two heads and two limbs walking backwards and s***ting from their mouths. For more details on Electromagnetic Safety see http://www.icems.eu/benevento_resolution.htm
I think it’s much safer to do bungee jumping, skydiving, wrestle a crocodile or eat all that China goodies filled with Melamine.

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]]> By: u-jean http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/penang-govt-to-widen-consultation-on-wi-fi-health-risks/comment-page-2/#comment-10848 u-jean Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:10:23 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=3769#comment-10848 some might think certain NGOs are so kaypo/ anti-development and pushing away the government's good efforts. but i am glad that there are NGOs like these who make me stop and think and reconsider rather than accept blindly whatever that's given. I am glad that they are there to represent the collective small voices like myself. sometimes, i think NGOs make better opposition members rather than Oppositions members themselves. some might think certain NGOs are so kaypo/ anti-development and pushing away the government’s good efforts.

but i am glad that there are NGOs like these who make me stop and think and reconsider rather than accept blindly whatever that’s given. I am glad that they are there to represent the collective small voices like myself.

sometimes, i think NGOs make better opposition members rather than Oppositions members themselves.

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]]> By: u-jean http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/penang-govt-to-widen-consultation-on-wi-fi-health-risks/comment-page-2/#comment-10846 u-jean Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:56:44 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=3769#comment-10846 I would agree that the wifi project should be studied further before implemented. Things that are free definitely everybody wants but not necessarily it is good for us. Maybe there is no current proof that wifi is bad for our health but maybe like some diseases, it might take time or prolonged exposure to show. I agree with Mr Anil that people can choose not to use handphone but should the wifi project be implemented, people have no choice to not be affected by it. We all want free wifi. The difference is that some are so short-sighted with wanting it because it's free and without considering it's long term effect on them and people around them whilst some prefer to take precaution because haste is waste and prevention is better than cure. You may have it (wifi) free now but who knows how much more you will have to fork out for your cancer/tumour/ED bills. I would agree that the wifi project should be studied further before implemented.

Things that are free definitely everybody wants but not necessarily it is good for us.

Maybe there is no current proof that wifi is bad for our health but maybe like some diseases, it might take time or prolonged exposure to show.

I agree with Mr Anil that people can choose not to use handphone but should the wifi project be implemented, people have no choice to not be affected by it.

We all want free wifi. The difference is that some are so short-sighted with wanting it because it’s free and without considering it’s long term effect on them and people around them whilst some prefer to take precaution because haste is waste and prevention is better than cure.

You may have it (wifi) free now but who knows how much more you will have to fork out for your cancer/tumour/ED bills.

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]]> By: Rajan http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/penang-govt-to-widen-consultation-on-wi-fi-health-risks/comment-page-2/#comment-10834 Rajan Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:09:55 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=3769#comment-10834 Hello.....all are welcome to participate. No brother sister award of the business. Imagine if BN is still around, bet someone's brother or sister or relative will get the monopoly....I think we have gone through that before... Hello…..all are welcome to participate. No brother sister award of the business. Imagine if BN is still around, bet someone’s brother or sister or relative will get the monopoly….I think we have gone through that before…

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