Kg Buah Pala residents are grateful to Lim and Pakatan government for what they have done. One of them said, “When BN cheated them PR helped them.”
(Malaysiakini TV clip)

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– uncle buck

I find it rather sad that you would take the position that just because the court is less than just we should just give up and be subservient to the oppressive system.

LGE and his government has a golden opportunity to do what is right and just and compassionate but from the revelation in a video (http://www.malaysiakini.tv/video/17564.html) it appeared that lge could have botched the whole deal. Either he had forgotten to do what he promised or he was given bad advice at that point in time. Either way he could not admit the mistake.

If the system do not change then what happened to the thai lady and kbp could happen to anyone. Are penangites so wrapped up in their warped materialistic sensibility that they could not see an injustice happening right under their nose ?

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Egle.. now you get this?

“2) As for the 116 (D), i.e. the court order to stop demolition, as a citizen journalist, I was as curious as all of you to know why it wasn’t filed when we explicitly heard it will be done. So, I tried to get the DCM 2 to explain to me why. He couldn’t officially state the reason. Why? Because when you are in a peace talk, you cannot do this. *So, I guess* it is because ….. This of course, is *my own understanding* based on what I managed to eke out before I was told the ‘No comment’.”

crash,
Pls read that again. It is a guess and it is based on that persons understanding.
That is not a credible information and it is obviously crafted to spin LGE in a positive light.
I still maintain that LGE mislead ppl.

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crash,
Anil had clearly stated that he had verified with the villagers and that they denied demanding RM3.5mil. I trust Anil to be a fair reporter. On the other hand LGE was not at all sure. At first – news report, then he said some ppl called him. LGE played dirty to tarnish the villagers and to provoke outrage among the majority.

//Look, when I say victims. As in term of look thru the eyes of all parties here. Not everything sees from the way you sees it. Ex: you bought a house and you can’t move in and renovate = victim in general.//

I dont know what you mean by the above; you dont make any sense.
Anyway you said everyone is a victim. I said the developer is not a victim and I explained why.

//You are seeking CM help, if you don’t trust me, how am I suppose to help you? if CM want to manipulate the villagers he don’t have to waste time to even meet them up. Simply let the village be gone.//

It is you who dont understand politics. LGE wants to portray the villagers as greedy. If he simply let the village go he will look the bad guy. That is why he is playing tai-chi.

//The risk of a lawyer manipulating is much higher. Why you need to be educated? It is merely a talk, to get an understanding on how to makes everyone happy or at least didnt get hurt so badly.//

You are accusing lawyers of being manipulative? That is a serious accusation and it is most irresponsible of you.
Anyway this is not a mere talk as you put it. The villagers are negotiating and that requires technical knowledge and language skills. That is why they need the services of a lawyer so that they can get the best advice during the meeting.Understand?? But LGE does not want that. The villagers after returning from each meeting with the CM found the offer unacceptable when they consult with their lawyers and those banned from the meeting.
Then when they reject the ‘fantastic’ offer, LGE accuses them of being unreasonable and outsiders thought they were greedy!!! This is the game that LGE has been playing.

//Listen..!! think and talk with brain. Demolition = developer, during that time if developer want to demolish even your god couldn’t stop them. CM can revoke developer from building anything on the land. He can’t stop the demolition. Up to date, the village is still standing, you think you are the one who delay it if not the state gahmen? What is wrong with you? …//

Hey, relax man, you are getting angry. This is just a debate, no need to get emotional!
I can think with my brain but I can’t talk with my brain!! I hope you can figure that.LOL

You say the CM cant stop the demolition and in the same breath you contradict yourself by saying the village is standing bcos of the CM. And you end up asking what is wrong with me. You seem thoroughly confused.

Anyway you havent answered any of the questions I raised about the ‘assurances’.

//You know why everything set in once the state government comes in? So you don’t have any time to do…. Do you even know how politics work? Everything takes time and time is what the villagers don’t have. Negotiate a deal for them first before anything. At least they have something if nothing works. Being state CM doesn’t mean you can do everything. Everyday every single thing demands your attention. You need time and time is what the villagers don’t have. And I said this again. Even no fraud took place in the beginning. The villager does not own THAT piece of land. Can you write that down in a piece of “stick-it” and stick it on your fridge?//

You are just spinning circles without answering my question about the investigation into the alleged fraud. LGE had all the time since March2008 to investigate, can you explain why he didnt??

//Like I said, you must not from Penang Island. In Penang, you can have a rundown … house. Your land will make it worth ridiculous amount of money. That is why a landed property in Penang is so expensive and this piece of land is just next to the largest residential area in Penang Island “Greenlane”. A terrace in this area that was built 30 years ago with the paint that look like a haunted house was up for sale at 800k. I talk “only when I know” I don’t talk like you. If you keep quiet nobody will blame you.//

Are you a valuation expert? Property values are based on valuation principles. Pls find out if you dont know, dont simply rant your ignorance.

//Can you even read? I merely ask you to represent the villagers and talk to the CM and developer, since you sound rather think you are smart but not to the state that you can replace the state CM. Secondly, I notice everything you said is bashing the state CM, barely anything about the real issue apart from using it as a bridge to do some CM or gahmen bashing. Check all my post. I don’t touch politics. Focus with the issue. … //

This was your comment:
“Since you know even more than anybody else, why don’t you come to Penang and speak with the developer and CM on behalf of the villagers?”

The CM has banned outsiders from participating in any meeting yet you are asking me to speak for the villagers.
Obviously the CM has failed, has not shown leadership.
I still maintain that LGE is only fit to be an opposition politician. If you think I am bashing the CM, that is your point of view as you are fond of saying.

//p/s: if you are not a Penangites, why does LGE fit or not to be CM have anything to do with you? And if you are a Penangites which I highly doubt it, cast your valueble vote to the opposite on the next GE if well of cos you are old enough.//

What does it matter whether I am from Penang, Kelantan or Timbuktu. Why are you being parochial? We are Malaysians. KBP is a national issue and any Malaysian has the right to comment.
As for my vote, I know how to exercise that right. If I need your advise I would ask you.

crash,
I notice that whenever you are unable to debate intelligently, you have a tendency to attack the person by calling names like ‘how old are you’, ‘think with brain’,
‘can you read’.
These are classic signs of a loser, someone emotionally unstable. Pls grow up, dont let emotions cloud your objectivity.

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But then the land transaction still happened. The villagers felt helpless. Now, Mr. CM worked out a deal for compensation for the villagers. But, the compensation actually creates new problems; the rentals while waiting, huge KBP families (65 families and not 24), place for livestock.

Then, there is this RM500K worth house issue. Well, it is not the value of the houses that really matter. The houses that they are going to get after 2 years don’t solve their present problems. The matter is the predicaments while getting the houses. Penangites themselves agree that property and rental prices are high. The truth is there are some whom are really poor there in the village. What would they do? Roam homeless? They must be helped. This is why they want to keep the land. The houses after 2 years don’t help them now.

Furthermore, there is no guarantee that they will get the houses, since a clause in the agreement says that the villagers will not get anything if the project fails or doesn’t take off for any reason. How if the land is sold to a new company for development?
These are some of the things that we cannot predict but may happen.

Great power comes with great responsibilities. Words given or said affect a lot of people. Promises were given, and the villagers trusted. Now, when the CM claimed that the villagers demanded for RM3.5 million, the general public believed this, when in actual fact the villagers never made any such demand. This is the intensity of words that come from people with power. Unfortunately, sometimes this brings lots of damages, just like in the case of KBP.

Mr. CM, this is a question of integrity. Words given must be fulfilled. Twisting stories to cover up the mess done and gain the general public support for your advantage is definitely not right, though it works. This is just like what the ^%@$#* Samy Vellu has been doing all this while with the Maika Holdings saga.

The real plight of the villagers is more about their survival. Don’t bash them by calling them names. Try to understand their root problems and come up with a reasonable solution. That is what they have been asking since the beginning.

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YB Lim Guan Eng is playing … politics in Penang and to divide and rule Penangnites..

He intend to isolate the Kg Buah Pala Villagers…

It was calculated action by YB Lim Guan Eng to steamroll the Kg Buah Pala because (the villagers are a marginalised group) in Penang and (the majority) will be least perturbed and ” Tak Tau”

He bars LAWYERS to represent Villagers…

YB Lim Guan Eng using his friendly media is painting the Villagers as greedy and unreasonable to suppress the public support for the Villagers and to avoid the truth for public awareness..

The FACT IS YB LIM GUAN ENG GOVERNMENT PARTICIPATED IN THE LAND (DEAL) OF KG BUAH PALA… DARE HIM TO PUBLISH ALL DOCUMENTS AND DAP EXCO MINUTES ON KG BUAH PALA!!!!

The Truth here is that the YB Lim Guan Eng is practicing Capitalist governance in Penang whom shall marginalize all poor and middleclass penangnites in due time like in Singapore… How many penangnites can buy RM 300,000.00 worth apartment at Kg Buah Pala…??

YB Lim Guan Eng is going to sell every piece of Penang to the Highest Bidder… all the Penang Hill, Sea sides , Kampungs, are (likely) to be sold to the rich!!

Please ask yourself why Tan Kok Ping is so supportive of Penang DAP???

In Selangor, the State and Federal is always logging heads at every issues… Y is it so silent in Penang!!!

BE WARNED THAT THERE IS COALITION GOVERNMENT OF BN $ DAP in PENANG !!!

YB JAGDEED was thrown out of assembly for accusing BN of Land Scam!!! Y (are they) protecting BN Ybs????

WHEEL OF KARMA IS SLOW BUT IT IS ABSOLUTE!!!

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The Only person who can solve the Sherlock Holmes “Who Done it” mystery is YB Lim Guan Eng.

Lets not speculate and sling mud at each other and the politician laughing away….

YB Lim Guan Eng should declassify all documents and EXCO minutes including PAKATAN EXCO minutes on Kg BUah Pala Land.

After all, YB Lim Guan Eng have been preaching CAT..
and in the name of Transparencies…

PENANG PEOPLE DEMAND YB LIM GUAN ENG TO DECLASSIFY ALL DOCUMENTS ON KG BUAH PALA.. not just only BN EXCO minutes!!!

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