Comments on: Climate change warning for Penang – in 1848 http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/climate-change-warning-for-penang-in-1848/ Let justice flow like a mighty river Fri, 25 May 2012 18:31:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: stcheah http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/climate-change-warning-for-penang-in-1848/comment-page-1/#comment-35426 stcheah Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:54:44 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16861#comment-35426 Hi Anil / SooHuey IMHO 1) climate change is real and will happen. 2) anthropogenic cllimate change is mostly local rather than global, to think otherwise is overly anthropocentric and severely misplaced ego. 3) instead of trying to meddle with nature (again), we should focus on adapting to a natural cycle that is getting wetter and warmer. 3) we are at tail end of Ice Age, so the only way is up. 4) global warming is good: think of the vast tundra becoming arable and navigable north passage; and no, polar bears won't die for lack of snow. 5) not all melting ice will cause catastrophic sea level surges. Have we forsaken Archimedes? and increased evaporation from higher global temperature? 6) CO2 = plant food; 7) Beware: Greenwash, neo-colonial protectionism,...enough said. global warming, doomsday called off... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr5O1HsTVgA&feature=PlayList&p=C012004CB098DE90&index=0 Hi Anil / SooHuey
IMHO
1) climate change is real and will happen.
2) anthropogenic cllimate change is mostly local rather than global, to think otherwise is overly anthropocentric and severely misplaced ego.
3) instead of trying to meddle with nature (again), we should focus on adapting to a natural cycle that is getting wetter and warmer.
3) we are at tail end of Ice Age, so the only way is up.
4) global warming is good: think of the vast tundra becoming arable and navigable north passage; and no, polar bears won’t die for lack of snow.
5) not all melting ice will cause catastrophic sea level surges. Have we forsaken Archimedes? and increased evaporation from higher global temperature?
6) CO2 = plant food;
7) Beware: Greenwash, neo-colonial protectionism,…enough said.

global warming, doomsday called off…

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]]> By: EC http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/climate-change-warning-for-penang-in-1848/comment-page-1/#comment-35310 EC Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:23:47 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16861#comment-35310 Anil, Do you know that Penang has a Land Conservation Act, 1960? This was meant to control hill cutting, at that time a problem due to farming on hill slopes. I guess our present "we must develop" mentality would have vehemently opposed such a law if it was introduced today! Anil,
Do you know that Penang has a Land Conservation Act, 1960? This was meant to control hill cutting, at that time a problem due to farming on hill slopes. I guess our present “we must develop” mentality would have vehemently opposed such a law if it was introduced today!

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]]> By: K http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/climate-change-warning-for-penang-in-1848/comment-page-1/#comment-35269 K Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:45:19 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16861#comment-35269 Anil Please do cover the recent "burning" issues in Penang. The LGE's administration is behaving so erratically over so many issues. Take for example the demo of BN Youth and Nikko ex-employees. Whether these actions are justified or not, that's a different question. But by lodging a police report and also passing a motion at the state assembly is an indication that we are heading toward a Fascist Dictatorship in Penang. Anil

Please do cover the recent “burning” issues in Penang. The LGE’s administration is behaving so erratically over so many issues.

Take for example the demo of BN Youth and Nikko ex-employees. Whether these actions are justified or not, that’s a different question. But by lodging a police report and also passing a motion at the state assembly is an indication that we are heading toward a Fascist Dictatorship in Penang.

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]]> By: wassup http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/climate-change-warning-for-penang-in-1848/comment-page-1/#comment-35242 wassup Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:16:40 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16861#comment-35242 Daniel is talking sense. We need more development not less. Hypocrites are talking with their hatred. I'm sure these are the same people given the chance, would build a gigantic bungalow by the hill facing the sea. As I've pointed out previously, Penang has a lot of under-develope land and resources. The trick is to make them green and safe. Daniel is talking sense. We need more development not less. Hypocrites are talking with their hatred. I’m sure these are the same people given the chance, would build a gigantic bungalow by the hill facing the sea.

As I’ve pointed out previously, Penang has a lot of under-develope land and resources. The trick is to make them green and safe.

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]]> By: Ong Eu Soon http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/climate-change-warning-for-penang-in-1848/comment-page-1/#comment-35241 Ong Eu Soon Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:15:19 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16861#comment-35241 Hi, I am for the release of Bukit Antarabangsa Landslide report. Selangor state government do a good job on trying to get it released. Khalid may face the consequent of OSA persecution because of it. Khalid has my support and we want the OSA to be repealed. Hi,
I am for the release of Bukit Antarabangsa Landslide report. Selangor state government do a good job on trying to get it released. Khalid may face the consequent of OSA persecution because of it. Khalid has my support and we want the OSA to be repealed.

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]]> By: K http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/climate-change-warning-for-penang-in-1848/comment-page-1/#comment-35238 K Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:03:10 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16861#comment-35238 Dear Kingkong No fair-minded Malaysian would want the Bkt Antarabangsa report to be kept classified and not released to public, especially so when the tragedy caused loss of lives. That's the reason why Anil is highlighting issues such as this so that Penang can learn from these tragedies. FYI, since the report has not been made public, we should keep an open mind as the cause(s) of the landslide has not been made public. However, if the cause is due to rampant overdevelopment or carelessness, then the authorities must be made responsible. In that case we as rakyat must demand the root causes to be addressed and policies to be amended to prevent future tragedies. Personally, I do not condone hillslope development since Malaysia is a tropical country with unpreditable rain patterns. Comparing us to even HK and Singapore would be inappropriate as there are variance in soil and/or volume / intensity of rain fall. However, whatever the outcome, despite LGE's crocodile tears for the victims of Bkt Antarabangsa, unchecked hill slope developments will continue with even quicker pace in Penang. The Great Penang Sales is on and LGE is going ahead full steam with the privatisation of (large swathes of) the ... state. DAP - Development Above People Dear Kingkong

No fair-minded Malaysian would want the Bkt Antarabangsa report to be kept classified and not released to public, especially so when the tragedy caused loss of lives.

That’s the reason why Anil is highlighting issues such as this so that Penang can learn from these tragedies.

FYI, since the report has not been made public, we should keep an open mind as the cause(s) of the landslide has not been made public. However, if the cause is due to rampant overdevelopment or carelessness, then the authorities must be made responsible. In that case we as rakyat must demand the root causes to be addressed and policies to be amended to prevent future tragedies.

Personally, I do not condone hillslope development since Malaysia is a tropical country with unpreditable rain patterns. Comparing us to even HK and Singapore would be inappropriate as there are variance in soil and/or volume / intensity of rain fall.

However, whatever the outcome, despite LGE’s crocodile tears for the victims of Bkt Antarabangsa, unchecked hill slope developments will continue with even quicker pace in Penang.

The Great Penang Sales is on and LGE is going ahead full steam with the privatisation of (large swathes of) the … state.

DAP – Development Above People

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]]> By: anilnetto http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/climate-change-warning-for-penang-in-1848/comment-page-1/#comment-35231 anilnetto Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:40:52 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16861#comment-35231 Of course the report should be released. Of course the report should be released.

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]]> By: kingkong http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/climate-change-warning-for-penang-in-1848/comment-page-1/#comment-35228 kingkong Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:43:32 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16861#comment-35228 Anil I am very surprise about all your blogs on environment, but you keep quiet on urging Gerakan/UMNO/BN Government to release BKT Antarabangsa Landslide. Penang can learn more and force PR Government to stop development on hillslopes. But as usual, Gerakan K and Ong Eu Soon are dead quiet because they will find Selangor Gerakan/UMNO are at real fault. Anil

I am very surprise about all your blogs on environment, but you keep quiet on urging Gerakan/UMNO/BN Government to release BKT Antarabangsa Landslide. Penang can learn more and force PR Government to stop development on hillslopes. But as usual, Gerakan K and Ong Eu Soon are dead quiet because they will find Selangor Gerakan/UMNO are at real fault.

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]]> By: daniel http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/climate-change-warning-for-penang-in-1848/comment-page-1/#comment-35221 daniel Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:31:49 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16861#comment-35221 I came to Penang island on last Friday. The last trip maybe 2-3 years ago. Penang island really rely much on tourism. If Penang do not move forward, it will move backwards and it will be poor state. I hope Penang will move forward more aggressively. The development on the hill slope must continue to follow like Taiwan. We can tell Penang people to stop bearing children. Neither government ask Penang people to migrant to other states. The engineering is more and more advance nowadays. Protection and proper slope protection is needed to counter the risk on hill slope. I drove along PLUS highway on Friday, we have lot of forest in this country. The only problem in our development tend to circle around a city instead of wider areas. Malaysia is never never over developed in my opinion (in fact is under developed). I came to Penang island on last Friday. The last trip maybe 2-3 years ago. Penang island really rely much on tourism. If Penang do not move forward, it will move backwards and it will be poor state.

I hope Penang will move forward more aggressively. The development on the hill slope must continue to follow like Taiwan. We can tell Penang people to stop bearing children. Neither government ask Penang people to migrant to other states.

The engineering is more and more advance nowadays. Protection and proper slope protection is needed to counter the risk on hill slope.

I drove along PLUS highway on Friday, we have lot of forest in this country. The only problem in our development tend to circle around a city instead of wider areas. Malaysia is never never over developed in my opinion (in fact is under developed).

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]]> By: soohuey http://anilnetto.com/economy/development-issues/climate-change-warning-for-penang-in-1848/comment-page-1/#comment-35216 soohuey Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:03:12 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16861#comment-35216 Hi Anil, Just on the topic that "climate change is a fairly new development", you may find 'The Skeptical Environmentalist' an interesting read (if you have time on your hands). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Skeptical_Environmentalist http://www.cambridge.org/uk/economics/lomborg/book.htm http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=skepticism-toward-the-ske I'm not a climate change denier, and I believe strongly in sustainable living and support Logan's statements in the excerpt. However, I also believe we must be open to all sides of argument because often we can integrate them into a better understanding. I've a copy of the book and you can borrow it for several months if you're interested. Because of the amount of analysis and digesting needed to read this book, it is something you'll want some time to read. Very eye-opening, and I'm inclined on believing scientific bias and the good judgment of Cambridge University Press. Debatable, but guaranteed to make you raise your eyebrows and say "hmm, interesting.." at every chapter. Hi Anil,

Just on the topic that “climate change is a fairly new development”, you may find ‘The Skeptical Environmentalist’ an interesting read (if you have time on your hands).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Skeptical_Environmentalist
http://www.cambridge.org/uk/economics/lomborg/book.htm
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=skepticism-toward-the-ske

I’m not a climate change denier, and I believe strongly in sustainable living and support Logan’s statements in the excerpt. However, I also believe we must be open to all sides of argument because often we can integrate them into a better understanding.

I’ve a copy of the book and you can borrow it for several months if you’re interested. Because of the amount of analysis and digesting needed to read this book, it is something you’ll want some time to read. Very eye-opening, and I’m inclined on believing scientific bias and the good judgment of Cambridge University Press. Debatable, but guaranteed to make you raise your eyebrows and say “hmm, interesting..” at every chapter.

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