Comments on: Foreign spies in Malaysia? http://anilnetto.com/democracy/foreign-spies-in-malaysia/ Let justice flow like a mighty river Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:16:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Killer http://anilnetto.com/democracy/foreign-spies-in-malaysia/comment-page-1/#comment-3927 Killer Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:54:27 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=368#comment-3927 Those talking about Geneva Convention, the spies we are talking about are foreigners. The folks we hold here are Malaysians. So that's why there is no conflict with the GC. Normally in such cases the foreign country will ask for an exchange of sorts but I don't think this will happen as the country unlikely to own up. The reasons for these people not given a trial is due to national security as not to allow the foreign powers to learn on how these spies were caught. This is a usual practice. In some countries they have special tribunal / courts to try such crimes. Malaysia (probably) has its share of spies from noth friendly and hostile countries. And Malaysia too (probably) has its spies overseas and also paid agents. Most countries tolerate it if it only involves collation of information and not actively seeking to obtain classified information via illegal means. Those talking about Geneva Convention, the spies we are talking about are foreigners. The folks we hold here are Malaysians. So that’s why there is no conflict with the GC. Normally in such cases the foreign country will ask for an exchange of sorts but I don’t think this will happen as the country unlikely to own up.

The reasons for these people not given a trial is due to national security as not to allow the foreign powers to learn on how these spies were caught. This is a usual practice. In some countries they have special tribunal / courts to try such crimes.

Malaysia (probably) has its share of spies from noth friendly and hostile countries. And Malaysia too (probably) has its spies overseas and also paid agents. Most countries tolerate it if it only involves collation of information and not actively seeking to obtain classified information via illegal means.

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]]> By: dirac http://anilnetto.com/democracy/foreign-spies-in-malaysia/comment-page-1/#comment-3924 dirac Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:51:45 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=368#comment-3924 dear anil, I want to say that repressive measures such as the ISA will not disappear overnight, even with the victory of the Opposition. The only way for repressive measures like the ISA to go away is for the political, social, and cultural attitudes of the people in this country to change. In other words, Malaysia needs an overhaul in its social and political system. Even the NEP will stay on under a different guise--Anwar wants to call it MEA, right? After how a policy is being implemented depends largely on how it is interpreted. Call it whatever you want, if the understanding of the policy is not there, nothing will change. For there to be changes--real changes--there has to be a real sharp crisis that can open the eyes of the people. But I don't think such a crisis will even come about soon. Malaysia still got oil, at least for another 15 years. After that it can rely on its palm oil--presuming Europe doesn't ban its import--and its tin, presuming also the government opens up tin mining activities in a large scale once more. But at least we will still have palm oil to carry on. So I say we will be okay for another 30 years. After that, it's hard to say. dear anil,

I want to say that repressive measures such as the ISA will not disappear overnight, even with the victory of the Opposition.

The only way for repressive measures like the ISA to go away is for the political, social, and cultural attitudes of the people in this country to change.

In other words, Malaysia needs an overhaul in its social and political system.

Even the NEP will stay on under a different guise–Anwar wants to call it MEA, right?

After how a policy is being implemented depends largely on how it is interpreted.
Call it whatever you want, if the understanding of the policy is not there, nothing will change.

For there to be changes–real changes–there has to be a real sharp crisis that can open the eyes of the people.

But I don’t think such a crisis will even come about soon.

Malaysia still got oil, at least for another 15 years. After that it can rely on its palm oil–presuming Europe doesn’t ban its import–and its tin, presuming also the government opens up tin mining activities in a large scale once more.

But at least we will still have palm oil to carry on.

So I say we will be okay for another 30 years.

After that, it’s hard to say.

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]]> By: matador http://anilnetto.com/democracy/foreign-spies-in-malaysia/comment-page-1/#comment-3879 matador Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:01:40 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=368#comment-3879 Malaysia had ratified the. Geneva Conventions of August 1949 in 1962. Being a party to the Conventions {although Malaysia has not ratified the Additional Protocols), Malaysia has an obligation to follow the principles laid down in the Conventions. One of the principles, SPIES are suppose to have a fair trial.. As a member of the security forces, I agree to these spies being detain under ISA but they too deserve to have a fair trial. Malaysia had ratified the. Geneva Conventions of August 1949 in 1962. Being a party to the Conventions {although Malaysia has not ratified the Additional Protocols), Malaysia has an obligation to follow the principles laid down in the Conventions.

One of the principles, SPIES are suppose to have a fair trial..

As a member of the security forces, I agree to these spies being detain under ISA but they too deserve to have a fair trial.

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]]> By: Samuel Goh Kim Eng http://anilnetto.com/democracy/foreign-spies-in-malaysia/comment-page-1/#comment-3876 Samuel Goh Kim Eng Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:35:49 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=368#comment-3876 There are practically no countries truly free from spies It's only a question of whether friendly or hostile spies Don't expect too many pies to drop from the heavenly skies Whether or not they are heavily sprinkled with five spices (C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng - 130708 http;//MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com Sun. 13th July 2008. There are practically no countries truly free from spies
It’s only a question of whether friendly or hostile spies
Don’t expect too many pies to drop from the heavenly skies
Whether or not they are heavily sprinkled with five spices

(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng – 130708
http;//MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
Sun. 13th July 2008.

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]]> By: Enforcer http://anilnetto.com/democracy/foreign-spies-in-malaysia/comment-page-1/#comment-3872 Enforcer Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:02:11 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=368#comment-3872 Those ... responsible for the ISA detainees are all heartless beings. Remember a couple of days ago when one detainee could not even be at his daughter's bedsite before she drew her last breath? He had been detained for the last seven years without trial! What wrong did he do to deserve such? Please enlighten the RAKYAT on his case. Anyway, to those who put him in such a situation, do remember that God/Allah is great. Till your dying breath you'll never forget or will be forgiven for what you have put all the ISA detainees thru'. How would your children/loved ones feel for all your actions? Get rid of the ISA, the RAKYAT does not need them (majority of the RAKYAT are peace loving people). Only those who fear of being EXPOSED need the ISA/OSA to protect their own skin! Those … responsible for the ISA detainees are all heartless beings. Remember a couple of days ago when one detainee could not even be at his daughter’s bedsite before she drew her last breath? He had been detained for the last seven years without trial! What wrong did he do to deserve such? Please enlighten the RAKYAT on his case.
Anyway, to those who put him in such a situation, do remember that God/Allah is great. Till your dying breath you’ll never forget or will be forgiven for what you have put all the ISA detainees thru’. How would your children/loved ones feel for all your actions?
Get rid of the ISA, the RAKYAT does not need them (majority of the RAKYAT are peace loving people). Only those who fear of being EXPOSED need the ISA/OSA to protect their own skin!

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]]> By: daniel http://anilnetto.com/democracy/foreign-spies-in-malaysia/comment-page-1/#comment-3871 daniel Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:56:59 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=368#comment-3871 It makes me think about tha piece of news I read that the death threat (so called) towards Anwar was uncovered by foreign spy agency from a "neighbouring country"? No idea which country. But we certanily have to be wary of such things. This is our counry's peace and stability at stake! It makes me think about tha piece of news I read that the death threat (so called) towards Anwar was uncovered by foreign spy agency from a “neighbouring country”? No idea which country. But we certanily have to be wary of such things. This is our counry’s peace and stability at stake!

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]]> By: mior http://anilnetto.com/democracy/foreign-spies-in-malaysia/comment-page-1/#comment-3869 mior Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:23:03 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=368#comment-3869 its not funny about foreign spies..its about our security tanahairku...regardless of political party or races this out beloved tanahair...those who are thinkin this issue a stupid junk actually the traitor......are u one o them twat??????????? its not funny about foreign spies..its about our security tanahairku…regardless of political party or races this out beloved
tanahair…those who are thinkin this issue a stupid junk actually the traitor……are u one o them twat???????????

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]]> By: Michelle http://anilnetto.com/democracy/foreign-spies-in-malaysia/comment-page-1/#comment-3866 Michelle Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:31:18 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=368#comment-3866 That said, investigations and trials should be carried out. Detention without trial is not the way to go. That said, investigations and trials should be carried out. Detention without trial is not the way to go.

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]]> By: Michelle http://anilnetto.com/democracy/foreign-spies-in-malaysia/comment-page-1/#comment-3865 Michelle Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:30:12 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=368#comment-3865 Thanks for the update. According to the table on Aliran, the 9 people detained for "collecting information" were caught last year. NINE is a big number, if it concerns the leaking of national secrets and information. We as the rakyat should be more informed. The govt has to realise that we need to be in the know if the country is vulnerable. Thanks for the update. According to the table on Aliran, the 9 people detained for “collecting information” were caught last year. NINE is a big number, if it concerns the leaking of national secrets and information. We as the rakyat should be more informed. The govt has to realise that we need to be in the know if the country is vulnerable.

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]]> By: new future http://anilnetto.com/democracy/foreign-spies-in-malaysia/comment-page-1/#comment-3863 new future Sun, 13 Jul 2008 01:20:27 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=368#comment-3863 The DG of immigration should be ISA-ed as letting in foreigners w/out scrutiny undermines the security of this country. The DG of immigration should be ISA-ed as letting in foreigners w/out scrutiny undermines the security of this country.

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