Half a million thronged Bersih 4 (updated)

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Update 3 (11pm, 1 September): The Bersih 2.0 Steering Committee’s estimate tallies with our prediction and estimate of 500,000.

Update 2 (1 September): Amazing! The massive sea of humanity at Dataran at the peak of the rally last night could have ranged from 300,000 to 400,000 (including the river of yellow at places like Jalan Tun Perak). Bear in mind that by 10pm, volunteers at Jalan Tun Perak were already carrying placards telling people heading to Dataran that the place was already full.

And so, contrary to expectations, the second day’s attendance was larger than the first day’s figure of over 250,000.

If we eliminate half of the first day’s figure (being those who might have stayed on or returned for both days), the overall number of visitors for the entire 34-hour event should be approaching half a million, close to what I had predicted. (Remember, all these are just ball park figures). Syabas, Malaysians!

Update 1 (31 August): Another large turnout this Sunday morning. In Jalan Tun Perak alone, perhaps 50,000 people by 11.30am. This could double or triple later this afternoon. So if we add this figure to what we got yesterday (below) and assuming half of them are the same people who turned up ont the first day, I think we can safely estimate that the turnout for Bersih 4 surpasses 300,000.

Original post (30 August):

It is always difficult to estimate crowds of more than 100,000. But let’s try.

The consensus for the previous rally, Bersih 3, was that more than 200,000 people attended, with estimates ranging from 200,000 to 250,000.

Last night, when I met Aliran’s Sarajun Hoda, who is also the deputy chairman of the Bersih 2.0 Steering Committee, he told me this time the rally was larger, with the crowd stretching all the way down from Jalan Tun Perak to Pudu, much farther than the last time.

He could be right. From where I was yesterday evening along Jalan Tun Perak, I estimated the crowd at some 150,000.

But I couldn’t see how far the mass of humanity stretched along the road. At one intersection, you could barely wade through this sea of humanity.

A contact told me that when leaving the scene at about 5pm, she noticed that people were still arriving via LRT for the rally.

Another source told me that his friends at the scene estimated the crowd at 200,000.

Then I met a classmate last night, and he said his friends at the scene who had attended Bersih 3 concurred with what Sarajun had told me – that the attendance was larger than Bersih 3.

Now, if the Bersih 3 attendance was 200,000-250,000, I can conclude that the turnout this time was 250,000-300,000. This tallies nicely with Haris Ibrahim’s prediction when I bumped into him at Pasar Seni at the start of the rally: he said he was expecting some 300,000 to turn up.

My own earlier prediction of half a million did not materialise. Perhaps many were deterred by the dark hints of possible violence and trouble. Maybe tens of thousands were also intimidated by the last-minute announcement that Bersih 4 T-shirts would be banned as well as by the steady daily diet of warnings in the media in the run-up to the rally to deter Malaysians from attending. Why, 26 people were reportedly arrested last night allegedly for wearing Bersih 4 T-shirts.

Still, all said, Syabas to Malaysians for braving those scare tactics and turning up in record numbers for the Bersih 4 rally.

Hidup, Hidup! Hidup, Bersih!

What do you think? What’s your estimate of the turnout?

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benny
benny

BERSIH 4.0 SOLIDARITY SKYDIVE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe8mJkbrp-c

gk ong
gk ong

The high attendance is commendable despite the threats of silat exponents, taser gun, tear gas, water cannon, last minute T-shirts ban, warning of riot etc. Credit to all participants for keeping the streets free from rubbish and litter, a level of civic consciousness that the authority can learn from.

iSupercally
iSupercally
KUALA LUMPUR: The ringgit opened higher against the US dollar today on improved demand for the local currency, said a dealer. At 9.17 am, the local unit was quoted at 4.1500/1600 to the greenback from last Friday’s 4.1950/1050. The ringgit was also traded higher against a basket of major currencies. It rose against the Singapore dollar to 2.9437/9514 from 2.9877/9969 last Friday and was higher versus the yen at 3.4272/4366 from 3.4721/4812 last week. It appreciated against the pound sterling at 6.3810/3968 from 6.4561/4732 on Friday and strengthened against the euro to 4.6625/6754 from 4.7349/7470 previously. Dunggu will say its… Read more »
Agent28
Agent28

New entry to Malaysia Book of Boleh Records:
1) Ringgit fell for 11 consecutive weeks!
2) Harimau Malaya lost 10-0 to UAE!

gk ong
gk ong
benny
benny

Malaysia’s deteriorating currency position – reflected in the ringgit’s sharp depreciation, falling foreign exchange reserves and shrinking current account surplus – could force Fitch Ratings to restore the negative outlook attached to the country’s credit rating.

Agent28
Agent28

For the week just ended, the ringgit fell against the US dollar to 4.2560/2610 from 4.1950/1050 on Friday 4 September.

The local unit declined against the Singapore dollar to 3.0040/0085 from last Friday’s 2.9877/9969, and depreciated against the yen to 3.5738/5792 from 3.4721/4812 previously.

Lester
Lester
This weekend, my former boss Clare Rewcastle Brown did interviews with foreign media about Malaysia. Some think it’s strange that a British woman keeps talking about Malaysia, but I was not surprised. After I began working for her, I found out Clare was (allegedly) receiving funding from very powerful people in Malaysia. She keeps talking about money that people say went into our PM’s account, but never talks about the money she receives. Why? If Clare is such a believer in transparency, she should provide the Sarawak Report accounts and show us where her funding comes from. But she can’t… Read more »
tunglang
tunglang

Now, who is your real boss?
Dare to tell?

zoro
zoro

Receiving funding from powerful people in MALAYSIA? Of course who can it be? Sacking dpm, transferring macc, sb and playing musical chairs. PR can be that powderful?

tunglang
tunglang

Where is Jho Low?
Where is the Rm2.6billion or whatever’s left in which account in which country?
Don’t create distraction from this high crime.

gk ong
gk ong

tunglang please update us on the new development in Sia Boey. Those Ho Hia Ti must be pleased with the new development in this 7th month.

tunglang
tunglang

Love it. At least CAT is willing to sacrifice the opportunity costs of mix development at Sia Boey.
Unlike one ying-ying-yang-yang who only sees his own profiteering from affordable housing.
LGE, how about reverting back to the 60s huge dragon heads for dragon boats?

benny
benny

tunglang please note your Sia Boey will be reborn this Sunday:

Launch of “Sia Boey Reborn” Project on 6 Sep 2015
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EfYel7GYVJ0

zorro
zorro

Quoted “funding from powerful people in Malaysia” who is more powerful than 1PM who sack the dpm?

gk ong
gk ong

Interpol told PDRM and BN that there is no reason to arrest Clare. What about Jho Low?

Yang
Yang

Wow half a million. More like it 100k. Pop sorry it’s 500k. Today 100k add tomorrow that will be 200k, then 50k go back and then come back, you get 250k, wow just keep on adding go back and come back and sure you get 500k. NICE try and not forgetting they also have new prophet that can claim you have taubat repented.

benny
benny

A person will occupy 4 sq ft of space.
For a space of 2 km in length and 100 m in width, the estimated crowd size:

2000mX3.28ft =6560ft
100mX3.28ft =328ft
6560X328=2151680(ft)²
2151680(ft)² / 4 =537,920

So it is reasonable to assume the crowd to be at least 500K.

gk ong
gk ong

iSupercally cannot count and cannot estimate, blame it on poor education?

iSupercally
iSupercally

So the road is 100 metres or 328 ft wide. Wowo good calculation. Lying without blinking. Try more add on ???

iSupercally
iSupercally

You are right. That is exactly where Bersih 4 will go.

Yang
Yang
You can tung tung tang tang but whatever Bersih 4 is already tainted with M 22 year of corruption, Cronyism and subversion of check and balance. People will see it NO different at all not bersih but Kotor. No amount of praying to niao Kong, kuan Kong, dark Kong, deities, God, angels, saints or prophets can change that FACTS. Cat senior rumbling through the trash bin for SEPT 16 Cat but sure he got rejected goods which prove that GHB and PKR are irrelevant when they could not get Malay support. Dream on with Pas. . Look.here you are willing… Read more »
tunglang
tunglang
A Merdeka Day Poem by Lim Lee Sah During the past two days KL turned into a sea of yellow. Many were willing to temporarily abandon the comfort of home’s pillow, To sleep on the streets perhaps next to another activist fellow. A tent was already like a luxurious bungalow. There was no need of fan or air-con as the night breeze began to blow. In demonstrating patriotism these rally participants weren’t poor or shallow. They simply wanted justice and righteousness in our nation to glow. Today is already the 58th Merdeka Day. Hello! But our currency has dropped to… Read more »
iSupercally
iSupercally

Are you sure you are too fed up to follow up with corrupted leaders or are you PANG POOI (BLOWING HORN)
Are you not following a former PM, Mahathir that was so corrupt for more than 20 years.

tunglang
tunglang

Right, benny.
So sorry for some blokes who have no opportunities to gain the benefits of learning & practising marketing warfare strategies.
Yet they wanna ‘gao-gao’ with no real experience to apply in politics.
These blokes try hard (like Blue Ocean Strategies of Na Ji?) blowing thro’ these wet ears filled with sea water.
Too much of a Ooo Thong is not only bad for your morality & dignity, you never get to learn anything useful, purposeful & socially benefiting but always thinking of the next gravy trains & foreign generous donors.

benny
benny

The best strategy is to use your enemy A to fight enemy B.

Rasputin
Rasputin

An UMNO leader claimed that the RM2.6 bil. donation money from a mysterios donor deposited into Najib’s personal account was to be used to fight the DAP-Jew threat. Looks like in order to counter
Bersih-4 threat Najib will have to beg the donor for more donation to accomplish the job.

zorro
zorro

No wonder, there are some in this website incessantly attack DAP. They are (allegedly) well paid from part of the donation received. To be part of the team where the taikoh receive 2.6B is something to be very proud for many companies are only thousands

Agent28
Agent28

Now Umno is trying to link DAP with Yahudi in order to further strike the nerves of the malays…? Comunists as bogeymen can no longer work?

nkkhoo

I chose not attending Sunday rally to reduce one more Chinese count, otherwise the KL down town has more people.

benny
benny

Most Malays are civil servants, “tak berani turun padang, nanti periok nasi pun hilang”.

Agent28
Agent28

Daily dosage of TV3 8pm Buletin is one factor too.

hanny
hanny

BTN ideology is still dictating their decision in life?

TEE
TEE

NK, you should see them as Malaysians not Chinese, Malays, Indiana or banglas lah! Anyway, your Selfie shot on Saturday drew more crowds on Sunday despite your absence………..

zoro
zoro

Like your jib khor, always play and uses race and religion card. To use, everyone is a Malaysian.

iSupercally
iSupercally

DAP & LKS keep enticing Mudyiddin but he is not a Malaysian. He is Malay. Most Dap sycophants seem to forget that

bigjoe
bigjoe
Previously PAS machinery brought out the Malays in masses, this time they didn’t and the numbers dropped. THERE IS NO ARGUMENT THAT MALAYS ARE FOR OR AGAINST BERSIH – they are susceptible to machinery and actions of their leaders. All it means is the work is cut out for the new Pakatan to build the machinery. Its tough against combination religo-narcotic politics of PAS and corruption-power-abuse politics of UMNO.. BUT its not undoable, its just about putting in the work, a lot of it. For those truly commited, this whole thing just means, you know what the measure of work… Read more »
benny
benny

Merdeka countdown at Dataran Merdeka was changed to Bkt Jalil and not shown live on TV due to low attendance compared to Bersih 4.0.

Felda 2nd Generation folks are promised RM60K house (850 sq ft?) by Jibby in his desperate attempt to retain dwindling support on eve of national day?

karamjit
karamjit

Najib is not fair. He (entices) the Felda folks with low cost housing to gain their suppořt. What about those living in cities where housing is expensive?

gk ong
gk ong

Anil,
Any reason why it is now reverted to Hari Kebangsaan, not Hari Merdeka?

Agent28
Agent28

I think BN wanted to downplay the word ‘Merdeka’ in front of the Sarawakians following the recent pressure from S4S …

hanny
hanny

To appease Sarawakians before the state election, the east Malaysia map appeared on the Sehati Sejiwa national day logo.

Even the tv clip showong Najib having coffee with old folks has the Sarawak cultural dance infused to please the Sarawakians?

S4S is a threat to BN?

zoro
zoro

Pity east Malaysians. What do they get? Worse off. The sinkaporeans and tiny rich oil state enjoy themselves. Funny how come dumno tell them they suddenly they are in the 1957 social contract?

TEE
TEE

Good to read positive comments from tunglang, reminded me of Jedi turned sour then back to right conscience. Also Mahathir succumbed to moral conscience. HAPPY MERDEKA

tunglang
tunglang

Cheers Kopi-O kau kau!
Anticipate Bersih 5.0.
Malaysians have expressed their disgust for rampant corruption, unfair election, leeching of national coffer & tua khang, tua khai of Najib regime.
To make it nails in the coffin (effective), PAS should see beyond the present stand-off with others in PR & work for the realisation of Malaysia Baru. Otherwise, no amount of self-righteousness & no work will drive anything as evil as the present regime to the Blue Ocean of Failed Strategies.
Where is Sorrowful Yang-Yang to explain or twist+turn (against God, deities, prophets, angels) against the half a million [email protected]?

tunglang
tunglang
You are almost right, karamjit. My only 2-cent reservation is against environment degradation in Penang – hill cutting + earth mining, land reclamation, tree cutting & polluted rivers. And not least, some influential developers who seemed to get lee way around land laws & sympathies (like that Madam Pykett mansion issue). Also, the interests of the poor & economic disadvantaged who cannot afford to own a decent home, much less a warm hawker cuisine. Otherwise, I look forward to a great leap for Penang with DAP & PR at the helm in the coming years. Just look around & you… Read more »
karamjit
karamjit

You should be thankful at least Penang has a clean government.

iSupercally
iSupercally

Let us not be reminded of the KOTOR but some one wanted Malaysia n to be tainted with KOTOR when he told us that M is for all Malaysian. Where is your principle

zoro
zoro

Yes just look at TA the previous senator.

Yang
Yang

Only dunggu would believe M support Malaysian. He is there because the crooked bridge was not done thinking that Najib has kowtow Singapore making his Ego so bruised that started 70 years ago in Singapore

zoro
zoro

Only dunggu, and pea brain here thinks everyone here support M? M has right to visit the demonstration and he does not support bersih

tunglang
tunglang
This morning, I woke up refreshed & hopeful for Malaysia Baru. I believe the same for all Bersih 4.0 organisers & supporters @ home & at the 3 venues. Let us work together in same spirit regardless of race to realise our Merdeka dreams once & for all. To Dr M, you have done a wonderful thing of ‘loh teow’ (entered the battle field) which I believe has inspired the many undecided to join in the rally at the last moment of historical reckoning. Your precise words are truly inspirational for all Malaysians to hear. For this TQ very much… Read more »
Yang
Yang

What do desperate people do in time of crisis.

They go praying to dato Kong, niao Kong, ghost, spirit, God’s, deities, prophets, saints for deliverance. And when a little rain come raining down wow like a moron they start shooting it’s Heaven that has answer them when it’s just a natural phenomenon.

Anyway they have got a new Saint in Charles Santiago who should deliver them from the.bondage of the Devil M that demonize the.people for 22 years. How hilarous

karamjit
karamjit

Do not insult people who have beliefs.

tunglang
tunglang

Thanks to Yang-Yang & Minions of Ooo Thong.
Your relentless rantings have angered many souls to passion to come put in full force to support Bersih 4.0.
Even the merciful heavens brought relief (in the form of cooling rain) to motivate &energise the many Bersih souls for the finale countdown.
The pass 2 days are unforgettable in Malaysian history not to be wipe out nor forgotten ever.
Thanks to all who took the trouble, time & risks to bravely come to the KL, KK & Kucing for a historic event.
Thanks to Anil for an inspiring coverage. You walked tall with Kuan Kong today.

tunglang
tunglang

“I’m here to support..not to support Malay, Cina, India, Umno, BN,DAP..This is feeling of people. I’m supporting Malaysians”- Tun M
This will one day be a meaningful historic quote for Malaysian History subject & Political / Social Science from primary to secondary to university education.

tunglang
tunglang

Tonight, the night of Hungry Ghost Month, the untimely dead will also join the crowd to shout:
Bersih Merdeka, Bersih Merdeka, Bersih Merdeka.
Teoh Beng Hock, P. Balasubramaniam, Shaariibuugiin Altantuyaa & many more will shout till the heaven above hears them loud & clear.

tunglang
tunglang

This will be the best Bersih 4.0 Countdown in recent Malaysian history!
Merdeka!, Merdeka!, Merdeka!
Malaysia Bersih, Merdeka Bermakna!
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015/08/30/Bersih-4-crowd-swells-end/

lim

Yes, tunglang, malaysia bersih, merdeka bermakna. Well said !!!

lim

1pm made a fool of himself when he said on ntv7 that the number of BERSIH participants were 20,000 !!! A perfect case of insanity !!!

He can only count to 20,000 but his personal account has 2.6b plus plus plus !!!

O yes, he aims to fool the kampong pakcik and makcik. Truly wonder whether these kampong folks can be fooled all the time ???

tunglang
tunglang

MadHatter of Helang Island could have been pricked by his own conscience or is it Karma to come out to give moral support to Bersih 4.0. By doing so, he has the courage to confront his own created devils which ate away the many potentials of Malaysia for almost decades since the 80s.
It takes a devil to slay its own begotten devils. So be it.
No need for deranged yang-yang to justify by twisting of words to shun the devil at this critical juncture of Saving Malaysia.

Phua Kai Lit
Phua Kai Lit

Question: Who continues to haunt the 1PM ?

Answer: It’s ……………………. Mahathir !

ktwong87

And I thought it was RM! (No… not the RM which has nosedived to below 3 for one Singapore dollar). Which RM… ask Mahathir lor… he started the “RM” puzzle wan.

Yang
Yang
Phua, Last month or earlier few months ago you can say that but not now after the cabinet reshuffle and after the sacking and.posting of many officers especially the Special branch officer Looking at it now, Najib is now holding the upper hand. You could say Mahathir is now desperately doing everything he can even to the extend of joining Bersih 4. His greatest mistake is attending Bersih 4. You could say he is now been deemed irrelevant … as most Umno MPs and members have now alieniated themselves from him from the many comments being made regarding his attendance… Read more »
Phua Kai Lit
Phua Kai Lit

Aiyah, Mr Yang.

Just admit that you have made a mistake supporting the 1PM.

Then you can continue to criticize LGE and DAP rule in the
Pearl of the Orient. You will then no longer have to get your
knickers into a twist by having to spin and spin and spin
to defend the 1PM and his gross misrule 🙂

Yang
Yang
Does it really matter how many come out. The figure is actually just about 100k or slightly over but some like to put it higher. What matter is 90% of Bersih 4 are non malay comprising mostly of Chinese and Indian. Does this bode well for the opposition, BN UMNO or Najib. So the opposition are going to challenge a vote of no confidence in October. Don`t the opposition realizes that such a big rally BERSIH dominated by ethnic Chinese and Indians would inflame the pernicious sore, scratched on UMNO’s & MALAY fringes, that the country’s ISLAMIC and MALAY heritage… Read more »
benny
benny
This is one appropriate comment on FB: The BERSIH rally was not a Chinese only activity. Most Malays who attended on the second day said they were initially worried of violence, police harassment and furthermore disciplinary action was threatened against government servants and students who attend this rally. The public sector employs more than 1 million! It’s risky for them to put their job on the line for this rally. The Chinese on the other hand do not depend on the government for employment and in this hour of need, risked police harassment, potential bodily harm or arrest to attend… Read more »
gk ong
gk ong

MCA was worried after seeing GenY Chinese (new voters in next GE) came out in full force supporting the rally. MCA Youth Chong SW knew this phenomenon but those old … in MCA were in denial mode as usual. Already MCA is in turmoil now.

Phua Kai Lit
Phua Kai Lit

Syabas to all our patriotic friends and fellow citizens from across the globe !

Thank you for supporting us who are in Malaysia.

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/310491

Phua Kai Lit
Phua Kai Lit

Hello Yang

Your friends greet you from Australia 🙂

tunglang
tunglang

It is a Divide & Control strategy of Art of War.
So don’t be fooled by racial rhetorics & boogey men finger pointing.
No one benefits but the evil antagonists with self interest in the name of donors.
Malaysia – A Land of Endless Possibilities? What a hint.

zorro
zorro

Tomorrow morning over 95% has been called up by Gomen to participate in the 31aug parade are Malays. So today are mainly non Malays but tomorrow are Malays. Who started the racial division?

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