Comments on: Aftermath of the Abolish ISA rally http://anilnetto.com/democracy/aftermath-of-the-abolish-isa-rally/ Let justice flow like a mighty river Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:22:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: anna brella http://anilnetto.com/democracy/aftermath-of-the-abolish-isa-rally/comment-page-2/#comment-28261 anna brella Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:44:09 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=13782#comment-28261 Please arrest the person who handcuffed those two minors in the photo above. And get that KLPC Mohd Sabtu to explain to the public/world audience the gounds and authority he used to justify manhandling, arresting and locking-up Malaysian children in his police station lock-ups. And has there been any public interviews given or statements issued to the general public by that pointless IGP and his equally clueless big-boss HM? If not, why not? Do they not consider that a part of their key responsibilities as public servants and supposed "leaders"? "Imagine Power To The People" John Lennon. Please arrest the person who handcuffed those two minors in the photo above.

And get that KLPC Mohd Sabtu to explain to the public/world audience the gounds and authority he used to justify manhandling, arresting and locking-up Malaysian children in his police station lock-ups.

And has there been any public interviews given or statements issued to the general public by that pointless IGP and his equally clueless big-boss HM? If not, why not? Do they not consider that a part of their key responsibilities as public servants and supposed “leaders”?

“Imagine Power To The People” John Lennon.

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]]> By: Packman http://anilnetto.com/democracy/aftermath-of-the-abolish-isa-rally/comment-page-2/#comment-28232 Packman Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:27:02 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=13782#comment-28232 Anil, Don't mean to pour cold water, as far as any polls taken other than "its"(Government) own, any form of results will be too complicated for them. This current "thing" has to be treated as "things" as well.Now, how can a thing understand human needs. IMPOSSIBLE! Just listen how they talk!! You think they know what number comes before and after 1? Even their thinking concept to lie is not logical and this country still believed they can lead. Biggest joke and Saddest truth indeed. Anil, Don’t mean to pour cold water, as far as any polls taken other than “its”(Government) own, any form of results will be too complicated for them.
This current “thing” has to be treated as “things” as well.Now, how can a thing understand human needs. IMPOSSIBLE!
Just listen how they talk!! You think they know what number comes before and after 1? Even their thinking concept to lie is not logical and this country still believed they can lead. Biggest joke and Saddest truth indeed.

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]]> By: Warrior 231 http://anilnetto.com/democracy/aftermath-of-the-abolish-isa-rally/comment-page-2/#comment-28222 Warrior 231 Mon, 03 Aug 2009 06:40:57 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=13782#comment-28222 I am not going to quibble over those figures pertaining police numbers as: 1. it was not sourced, there is no verifiable link, police statement to ascertain the fact. 2. the numbers if any, are immaterial to the crux of the issue. Did the mob's numbers , you trundled out, were real numbers or were the figment of other fertile imaginations clutching at straws which given your journalistic approach you didnt deign to verify and published verbatim. As you yourself put it,they were culled from eyewitness accounts which I suspect are partisan. Even I, an eyewitness, didnt force the issue regrading my numbers and instead quoted new reports to point out that their numbers approximated my own. 3. in fact, this numbers game has taken a life of its own, reaching preposterous numbers at times and there is no concrete agreement on even the numbers quoted by partisans from both sides of the divide. The malaysiakini excerpts are proof. in fact your 50k estimate for bersih is topped by Haris Ibrahim's figures (60K) in his bersih reports. plus haris latest post say 5000 for anti_isa and the pixs paint a true picture more than 60k or 100k words ever can. kepp to factual reporting, the next time, anil, and try to be non-partisan even if it militates against your biased subjectivity, Warrior 231 I am not going to quibble over those figures pertaining police numbers as:

1. it was not sourced, there is no verifiable link, police statement to ascertain the fact.

2. the numbers if any, are immaterial to the crux of the issue. Did the mob’s numbers , you trundled out, were real numbers or were the figment of other fertile imaginations clutching at straws which given your journalistic approach you didnt deign to verify and published verbatim. As you yourself put it,they were culled from eyewitness accounts which I suspect are partisan. Even I, an eyewitness, didnt force the issue regrading my numbers and instead quoted new reports to point out that their numbers approximated my own.

3. in fact, this numbers game has taken a life of its own, reaching preposterous numbers at times and there is no concrete agreement on even the numbers quoted by partisans from both sides of the divide. The malaysiakini excerpts are proof. in fact your 50k estimate for bersih is topped by Haris Ibrahim’s figures (60K) in his bersih reports. plus haris latest post say 5000 for anti_isa and the pixs paint a true picture more than 60k or 100k words ever can.

kepp to factual reporting, the next time, anil, and try to be non-partisan even if it militates against your biased subjectivity,

Warrior 231

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]]> By: wandererAUS http://anilnetto.com/democracy/aftermath-of-the-abolish-isa-rally/comment-page-2/#comment-28203 wandererAUS Mon, 03 Aug 2009 03:48:49 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=13782#comment-28203 These UMNO goons have not learned anything...just pure arrogance in their nature and hidding behind the 'Red Guards'. Sad, real sad, their false belief is "Might is Right!" These UMNO goons have not learned anything…just pure arrogance in their nature and hidding behind the ‘Red Guards’. Sad, real sad, their false belief is “Might is Right!”

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]]> By: phil http://anilnetto.com/democracy/aftermath-of-the-abolish-isa-rally/comment-page-2/#comment-28199 phil Mon, 03 Aug 2009 03:28:05 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=13782#comment-28199 Hishamuddin after a mess at the education ministry has been moved to Home affairs. In other countries such ministers would have been sacked but here they get a promotion. Why because its his cousin who is the pm? I scratch yr back and u sratch mine.... They will pay heavily in the next elections esp after I have seen how the police treated the rakyaat on saturday. MY vote and fly is for PR. We the people are watching Hishamuddin after a mess at the education ministry has been moved to Home affairs. In other countries such ministers would have been sacked but here they get a promotion. Why because its his cousin who is the pm? I scratch yr back and u sratch mine…. They will pay heavily in the next elections esp after I have seen how the police treated the rakyaat on saturday. MY vote and fly is for PR. We the people are watching

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]]> By: rcchia http://anilnetto.com/democracy/aftermath-of-the-abolish-isa-rally/comment-page-2/#comment-28184 rcchia Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:09:08 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=13782#comment-28184 When will they ever learn. The more they display force and aggression, the more they are alienating themselves from the Rakyat. Now, even those who were on borderline can see how the police have gone out-of-hand. There were no weapons, no violence, no brutality except those carried out by the police. When will they ever learn. The more they display force and aggression, the more they are alienating themselves from the Rakyat. Now, even those who were on borderline can see how the police have gone out-of-hand. There were no weapons, no violence, no brutality except those carried out by the police.

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]]> By: Sivin Kit’s Garden » Blog Archive » Random Links 339 on 1 August #AntiISA Protest http://anilnetto.com/democracy/aftermath-of-the-abolish-isa-rally/comment-page-1/#comment-28177 Sivin Kit’s Garden » Blog Archive » Random Links 339 on 1 August #AntiISA Protest Mon, 03 Aug 2009 01:32:17 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=13782#comment-28177 [...] Aftermath of the Abolish ISA rally [...] [...] Aftermath of the Abolish ISA rally [...]

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]]> By: Angela Ooi http://anilnetto.com/democracy/aftermath-of-the-abolish-isa-rally/comment-page-1/#comment-28165 Angela Ooi Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:59:15 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=13782#comment-28165 Probably he PRO ISA group did not turn up cos they were not paid their $$$. People in the BN camp turn up ONLY when. there are freebies and $$$ The gomen still do not realise how more n more angry people are to see the bully, heavy handed tactics on the simple folks. It is a no win situation for them cos all around, I hear people cursing this Najib, Hishamuddin and Musa.... Probably he PRO ISA group did not turn up cos they were not paid their $$$. People in the BN camp turn up ONLY when. there are freebies and $$$

The gomen still do not realise how more n more angry people are to see the bully, heavy handed tactics on the simple folks. It is a no win situation for them cos all around, I hear people cursing this Najib, Hishamuddin and Musa….

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]]> By: dev http://anilnetto.com/democracy/aftermath-of-the-abolish-isa-rally/comment-page-1/#comment-28162 dev Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:02:37 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=13782#comment-28162 The problem is that some want to divert the attention to the leader of the opposition thinking that this is some sort of gimmick or false pretense that he is putting up so that his case will be sidelined! If that is the case, why not allow the defence to view the documents to see what the evidence is since the case is so watertight! ... Its good atleast more are becoming aware of this deceit and ridding themselves of the indoctrination that starts from the craddle to the tomb. The problem is that some want to divert the attention to the leader of the opposition thinking that this is some sort of gimmick or false pretense that he is putting up so that his case will be sidelined! If that is the case, why not allow the defence to view the documents to see what the evidence is since the case is so watertight! … Its good atleast more are becoming aware of this deceit and ridding themselves of the indoctrination that starts from the craddle to the tomb.

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]]> By: Warrior 231 http://anilnetto.com/democracy/aftermath-of-the-abolish-isa-rally/comment-page-1/#comment-28158 Warrior 231 Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:58:40 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=13782#comment-28158 I think you allowed partisanship to blind your judgement, Anil. Sad but true. I was there and by my own estimates the numbers amounted to roughly 10k with 12k being the upper limit and those marching were 99% Malays. Biased? Nope as these local and foreign news reports will attest (pay attention, I am not quoting from any "biased" local MSM source, as you would put it): 1. 2.30pm Saksi-saksi menganggarkan hampir 10,000 berkumpul dekat Sogo, simpang jalan Dang Wangi dan Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman. http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/109708 2.Dalam sidang petang tadi, pengerusi GMI, Syed Ibrahim Syed Noh mendakwa 100,000 orang menghadiri perhimpunan hari di beberapa tempat di tengah-tengah ibunegara. Manaka Ketua Dewan Pemuda PAS, Nasrudin Hassan pula menganggarkan kira-kira 80,000 menyertai perhimpunan hari ini. Bagaimanapun, para saksi pula menganggarkan lebih kurang 20,000 menyertainya. http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/109708 3.KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — Riot police fired tear gas in a clash with at least 10,000 opposition supporters who marched in Malaysia's main city Saturday to protest a law allowing detention without trial. http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-08-01-malaysia-protests_N.htm?csp=34 4.KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia – Riot police fired tear gas in a clash with at least 10,000 opposition supporters who marched in Malaysia's main city Saturday to protest a law allowing detention without trial. The rally in Kuala Lumpur was intended to pressure the government to scrap the Internal Security Act, which provides for indefinite imprisonment of people regarded as security threats. By JULIA ZAPPEI,Associated Press Writer - 1 hour 27 minutes ago http://asia.news.yahoo.com/ap/20090801/tap-as-malaysia-opposition-protest-3rd-l-b3c65ae.html 5.......Riot police fired tear gas in a clash with at least 10,000 opposition supporters who marched in Malaysia's main city Saturday to protest a law allowing detention without trial. - caption from slide photo at yahoo.com website (AP Photo/Vincent Thian) 6.GMV news channel initially put the figure at 5K. such a huge discrepancy between the puny figures there and the over 60k you cooked up.Do you think the western wire agencies are interested in watering down the story, I doubt it. I think you got your numbers wrong for whatever reason you know best but the least u could do is to provide truthful factual reporting.Maybe you might do better at the numbers games without the blinkers on the next time. Thank you. Warrior 231 <em>Reports say 5,000 police personnel were mobilised. What's your estimate of the ratio of police officers to the demonstrators on that day? 1: 2? 1: 4? or was it more like 1:10? or more? - Anil</em> I think you allowed partisanship to blind your judgement, Anil. Sad but true. I was there and by my own estimates the numbers amounted to roughly 10k with 12k being the upper limit and those marching were 99% Malays. Biased? Nope as these local and foreign news reports will attest (pay attention, I am not quoting from any “biased” local MSM source, as you would put it):

1. 2.30pm Saksi-saksi menganggarkan hampir 10,000 berkumpul dekat Sogo, simpang jalan Dang Wangi dan Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman.
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/109708

2.Dalam sidang petang tadi, pengerusi GMI, Syed Ibrahim Syed Noh mendakwa 100,000 orang menghadiri perhimpunan hari di beberapa tempat di tengah-tengah ibunegara.
Manaka Ketua Dewan Pemuda PAS, Nasrudin Hassan pula menganggarkan kira-kira 80,000 menyertai perhimpunan hari ini.
Bagaimanapun, para saksi pula menganggarkan lebih kurang 20,000 menyertainya.
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/109708

3.KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — Riot police fired tear gas in a clash with at least 10,000 opposition supporters who marched in Malaysia’s main city Saturday to protest a law allowing detention without trial.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-08-01-malaysia-protests_N.htm?csp=34

4.KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia – Riot police fired tear gas in a clash with at least 10,000 opposition supporters who marched in Malaysia’s main city Saturday to protest a law allowing detention without trial.
The rally in Kuala Lumpur was intended to pressure the government to scrap the Internal Security Act, which provides for indefinite imprisonment of people regarded as security threats.
By JULIA ZAPPEI,Associated Press Writer – 1 hour 27 minutes ago
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/ap/20090801/tap-as-malaysia-opposition-protest-3rd-l-b3c65ae.html

5…….Riot police fired tear gas in a clash with at least 10,000 opposition supporters who marched in Malaysia’s main city Saturday to protest a law allowing detention without trial. – caption from slide photo at yahoo.com website
(AP Photo/Vincent Thian)

6.GMV news channel initially put the figure at 5K.

such a huge discrepancy between the puny figures there and the over 60k you cooked up.Do you think the western wire agencies are interested in watering down the story, I doubt it.

I think you got your numbers wrong for whatever reason you know best but the least u could do is to provide truthful factual reporting.Maybe you might do better at the numbers games without the blinkers on the next time. Thank you.

Warrior 231

Reports say 5,000 police personnel were mobilised. What’s your estimate of the ratio of police officers to the demonstrators on that day? 1: 2? 1: 4? or was it more like 1:10? or more? – Anil

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