Comments on: Church arson attacks: Cooler heads must prevail http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/time-for-cooler-heads-to-prevail/ Let justice flow like a mighty river Fri, 25 May 2012 07:25:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: nkkhoo http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/time-for-cooler-heads-to-prevail/comment-page-3/#comment-37307 nkkhoo Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:43:17 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=17613#comment-37307 Frankly, I doubt you know what is historical fact before you challenge me or Mahathir on this matter. If you read (I believe you have never read the water agreement yourself) water agreement with Singapore, Mahathir is right in the water issue. Note: I still keep the PDF copy downloaded from Singapore government website. In any country believe the rule of law will know the meaning of "AFTER" used in the water agreement. Malaysia has absolute legal right to review water tariff AFTER 20 years and any dispute has to be settled in Johor court. BN government is too soft and give in too much to LKY on water issue. Frankly, I doubt you know what is historical fact before you challenge me or Mahathir on this matter.

If you read (I believe you have never read the water agreement yourself) water agreement with Singapore, Mahathir is right in the water issue.

Note: I still keep the PDF copy downloaded from Singapore government website.

In any country believe the rule of law will know the meaning of “AFTER” used in the water agreement. Malaysia has absolute legal right to review water tariff AFTER 20 years and any dispute has to be settled in Johor court.

BN government is too soft and give in too much to LKY on water issue.

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]]> By: nkkhoo http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/time-for-cooler-heads-to-prevail/comment-page-2/#comment-37306 nkkhoo Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:31:23 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=17613#comment-37306 I have to say the majority (>99%) of Malay Muslims and bumi Christians are rational and cool-headed in this incident. More religious teaching will not eliminate a small group of radical and extremist in any religion. Many local people told me there are no extremists in the Buddhist. But I advised them to visit Sri Lanka to see themselves there is a group of radical monks. I have always advocated ISA is still needed to detain extremists from any religions and groups before any irreparable damage to our country. I have to say the majority (>99%) of Malay Muslims and bumi Christians are rational and cool-headed in this incident.

More religious teaching will not eliminate a small group of radical and extremist in any religion.

Many local people told me there are no extremists in the Buddhist. But I advised them to visit Sri Lanka to see themselves there is a group of radical monks.

I have always advocated ISA is still needed to detain extremists from any religions and groups before any irreparable damage to our country.

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]]> By: nkkhoo http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/time-for-cooler-heads-to-prevail/comment-page-2/#comment-37305 nkkhoo Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:17:21 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=17613#comment-37305 Let face it, there is no true equality in our constitution. Indian, Indon, or whoever from foreign countries, follow our laws. Nothing to debate about this matter. Let face it, there is no true equality in our constitution.

Indian, Indon, or whoever from foreign countries, follow our laws. Nothing to debate about this matter.

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]]> By: nkkhoo http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/time-for-cooler-heads-to-prevail/comment-page-2/#comment-37303 nkkhoo Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:13:21 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=17613#comment-37303 The ban by Home Minister is applied to The Herald publications. I do not aware the ban is applied to Sikh who is also using Allah in the worship. If they is a law to ban Allah usage by non-Muslims in West Malaysia (actually there are such laws in a few states in West Malaysia), whether you are Christians from Arab or alien planets, follow the law in the host country. The ban by Home Minister is applied to The Herald publications. I do not aware the ban is applied to Sikh who is also using Allah in the worship.

If they is a law to ban Allah usage by non-Muslims in West Malaysia (actually there are such laws in a few states in West Malaysia), whether you are Christians from Arab or alien planets, follow the law in the host country.

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]]> By: MuET http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/time-for-cooler-heads-to-prevail/comment-page-3/#comment-37167 MuET Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:07:44 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=17613#comment-37167 Hi my fren KEE, As the person who you refering is the one who really politician. And the view that he try to show mainly to manupulate this issue for the politic sack. Please my fren, you may open to the malay news paper, in there they focusly talk about the using of word of "ALLAH" for other. For your information, ALLAH for Islam only ONE. And the trinity concept of god that in Christian is totally different compared to Islam. That y as i tell all of u be4, the concept of "AKIDAH" you not really understand. What we as muslims belief are totally different what the christians belief and u, because of u are not muslims so u cannot see what actually we try to deffence. If Islam and Christian are same, why there are difference in the practical and in spritiual in both religion? We as muslims only want to make sure that our future children not confuse and change their belief only because the think that ISLAM = Christian where in the reality both of religions are different at all. Might b for other religions they not so sensitive when others play with their religions but for us, Muslims that are one of our responsibility to ALLAH to make sure that HIS religions ISLAM and HIS name ALLAH not be played and miss used by people. Or might be if you want we may meet and I explain to you the concept of Islam. Might b from that u may tell to other fren so the will not miss understand about Islam and muslims in future or you may read this.. http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y=2010&dt=0112&pub=Utusan_Malaysia&sec=Bicara_Agama&pg=ba_01.htm see u in next page, bye Hi my fren KEE,

As the person who you refering is the one who really politician. And the view that he try to show mainly to manupulate this issue for the politic sack. Please my fren, you may open to the malay news paper, in there they focusly talk about the using of word of “ALLAH” for other.

For your information, ALLAH for Islam only ONE. And the trinity concept of god that in Christian is totally different compared to Islam. That y as i tell all of u be4, the concept of “AKIDAH” you not really understand. What we as muslims belief are totally different what the christians belief and u, because of u are not muslims so u cannot see what actually we try to deffence.

If Islam and Christian are same, why there are difference in the practical and in spritiual in both religion? We as muslims only want to make sure that our future children not confuse and change their belief only because the think that ISLAM = Christian where in the reality both of religions are different at all.

Might b for other religions they not so sensitive when others play with their religions but for us, Muslims that are one of our responsibility to ALLAH to make sure that HIS religions ISLAM and HIS name ALLAH not be played and miss used by people.

Or might be if you want we may meet and I explain to you the concept of Islam. Might b from that u may tell to other fren so the will not miss understand about Islam and muslims in future or you may read this..

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y=2010&dt=0112&pub=Utusan_Malaysia&sec=Bicara_Agama&pg=ba_01.htm

see u in next page, bye

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]]> By: Yang http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/time-for-cooler-heads-to-prevail/comment-page-2/#comment-37157 Yang Wed, 13 Jan 2010 05:45:00 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=17613#comment-37157 Kee, Pairin (betrayed) Mahathir and Mahathir (retaliated) and he loses. He is now back at BN and he can`t afford to (let down) Najib because he knows that he does not have much years left to protect his (alleged) benefits and cronies....... See how they do that in Sabah with even their brothers hoping here and there for their own advantage NOT FOR THE PEOPLE. So he better keep mum Kee,
Pairin (betrayed) Mahathir and Mahathir (retaliated) and he loses. He is now back at BN and he can`t afford to (let down) Najib because he knows that he does not have much years left to protect his (alleged) benefits and cronies……. See how they do that in Sabah with even their brothers hoping here and there for their own advantage NOT FOR THE PEOPLE. So he better keep mum

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]]> By: looes74 http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/time-for-cooler-heads-to-prevail/comment-page-3/#comment-37081 looes74 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:19:10 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=17613#comment-37081 Yang, You are right! Herald publication is contesting the case based upon the constituition & rule of law. We need to have a yardstick to justify our claim. I disagree with Khoo & even Mahathir. If one uses moslem's point of view, ah so one agree with France's verdict on hijab's issue. Once upon a time, moslems & christians called each other infidels & thus the crusade. Finally, Saladin knew that the best way is a compromise. Safe passage of pilgramage in Jerusalem by Jews & Christians. All 3 religions use Allah as God. Khoo, I respect your opinion but however, argument must be based on precedents, historical facts, constituition & rule of law. Mahathir has lost the word of war over LKY over the water issue over rule of law. Mahathir so humiliated over the disclosure of letters but then again Rule of Law still stands paramount Yang,
You are right! Herald publication is contesting the case based upon the constituition & rule of law. We need to have a yardstick to justify our claim. I disagree with Khoo & even Mahathir. If one uses moslem’s point of view, ah so one agree with France’s verdict on hijab’s issue.
Once upon a time, moslems & christians called each other infidels & thus the crusade. Finally, Saladin knew that the best way is a compromise. Safe passage of pilgramage in Jerusalem by Jews & Christians. All 3 religions use Allah as God.

Khoo,
I respect your opinion but however, argument must be based on precedents, historical facts, constituition & rule of law.
Mahathir has lost the word of war over LKY over the water issue over rule of law. Mahathir so humiliated over the disclosure of letters but then again Rule of Law still stands paramount

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]]> By: looes74 http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/time-for-cooler-heads-to-prevail/comment-page-2/#comment-37077 looes74 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:38:57 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=17613#comment-37077 Khoo, You have forgotten the Sikhs? Karpal Singh, remember? The former tiger of Jelutong. The one who says Singh is king & King is Singh fella So how? See what a tangle web we weave. It's endless of battles I am wondering if Syed Hamid Akbar has the wee brain of thinking of implication Singapore government... nip the bud by hauling up some catholics in Marxist Conspiracy They stop the problems before it happen. Not after all mayhem went off & go around giving gula2 Khoo,
You have forgotten the Sikhs? Karpal Singh, remember? The former tiger of Jelutong. The one who says Singh is king & King is Singh fella
So how? See what a tangle web we weave. It’s endless of battles
I am wondering if Syed Hamid Akbar has the wee brain of thinking of implication
Singapore government… nip the bud by hauling up some catholics in Marxist Conspiracy
They stop the problems before it happen. Not after all mayhem went off & go around giving gula2

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]]> By: looes74 http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/time-for-cooler-heads-to-prevail/comment-page-2/#comment-37075 looes74 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:27:04 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=17613#comment-37075 Khoo, So more inter faith dialogue. More Islam teaching for moslems. Solution is so simple Khoo,
So more inter faith dialogue. More Islam teaching for moslems. Solution is so simple

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]]> By: looes74 http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/time-for-cooler-heads-to-prevail/comment-page-2/#comment-37073 looes74 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:11:01 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=17613#comment-37073 NK Khoo, What happen to the sikhs? And the foreigners? Including Indons? Or worst Palestinian christians? Let me give you one scenario. Supposingly one Palestinian seeking asylum in Malaysia happened to be a christian. Since Palestinian christians are mostly arabs. The bible printed in Arab. Hence the very issue, the word Allah is used for God in Arab for christians To ban or not to ban? To detain or not to detain? If Palestinians are being let go, then what happen to West Malaysians? Khoo, Remind me of Shanghai in the 30s where China chinese sit in the 2nd class. If you refer to the constituition, what does it say about equality? My take is Moslems take the bite. Allow Allah to be used by other religion. Before the ban, christians are happily using Allah in BM. No restriction, why now? With your susgestion especially with all mishaps, you are openning a Pandora Box What would the world say? What would Indon say? What would Indon react when their own citizens kenna caught with this ban? Khoo, The court is in the hands of BN & the moderate moslems NK Khoo,
What happen to the sikhs? And the foreigners? Including Indons? Or worst Palestinian christians?
Let me give you one scenario.

Supposingly one Palestinian seeking asylum in Malaysia happened to be a christian. Since Palestinian christians are mostly arabs. The bible printed in Arab. Hence the very issue, the word Allah is used for God in Arab for christians

To ban or not to ban? To detain or not to detain? If Palestinians are being let go, then what happen to West Malaysians?

Khoo,
Remind me of Shanghai in the 30s where China chinese sit in the 2nd class. If you refer to the constituition, what does it say about equality?
My take is Moslems take the bite. Allow Allah to be used by other religion. Before the ban, christians are happily using Allah in BM. No restriction, why now? With your susgestion especially with all mishaps, you are openning a Pandora Box
What would the world say? What would Indon say? What would Indon react when their own citizens kenna caught with this ban?

Khoo,
The court is in the hands of BN & the moderate moslems

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