2033: We round off this dark day with a statement just released by the Aliran exco: ‘Bigotry in the name of Allah’.
The silver lining in all this is that the crowds at the various protests were not as large as many had feared, and the vast majority of Malaysians simply walked away and refused to join in. Many groups and netizens issued statements and comments condemning this lapse into momentary madness. Therein lies a glimmer of hope for a better Malaysia that many of us believe is possible.
Another bright light can be seen over here, where blogger Dr Rafick, a Muslim, has initiated a donation drive to raise funds to repair the Metro Tabernacle Church.
1928: IGP Musa Hasan denied reports that a fourth church was attacked, according to the Insider. He said three demonstrations were held in Kuala Lumpur, two in Pahang, four in Selangor and one in Terengganu and they all ended within 15 minutes. He urged the public not to believe rumours spread by SMS and over the Internet.
1853: Only 25 people protested at the Kampong Baru mosque this afternoon, according to one eye-witness. A Malaysian Insider twitter update put the figure at 20. Malaysiakini put the figure at 50 and noted that other Muslims leaving the mosque told the protesters to “just go home!”
1829: St Francis Xavier’s Catholic Church in PJ will be holding an all-night vigil to pray for peace in the country. The prayers will begin at 8.00pm and go on throughout the night until the 6.15am Mass.
1805: Anwar Ibrahim, speaking on mainland Penang, has sharply criticised the Home Ministry and Umno for their poor handling of the issue. He said they should have initiated a dialogue between church leaders and Islamic groups to discuss the issue, according to a journalist.
1800: Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng visited the Holy Spirit Cathedral in Penang this evening. Blog reader SamG reports from the Cathedral:
CM reiterated the key message of keeping calm and not to get carried away. Also reported that he had had a meeting with the CPO who had assured all Penangites that they will provide additional security. No demonstrations were reported in Penang as per the briefing by the Special Branch Head who was also present.
1750: Aliran’s Dr Mustafa K Anuar has issued a statement here condemning the attacks.
1650: A fourth church in Kg Subang is said to have been targeted, according to the Insider. But I am unable to obtain further confirmation/verification from church sources. Most press reports say only three churches were targeted.
1450: Najib has condemned the attacks and those reponsible because “this will destroy the harmony of the country”, reports the Insider, which also updates via Twitter:
- Kg Baru mosque protest finishes. 7 minutes ago
- National Mosque protest finishes in 15 minutes, speaker appeals to Catholics to bring matters regarding Islam to Syariah Court. 9 minutes ago
- Earlier in Kg Baru, a group of Muslims urged others not to join the protesters, called them fanatics & accused them of church arson
- A group of 300, mostly from Perkasa, gathered in front of National Mosque to shout “Allahu Akbar”. The rest have walked away.
1430: The crowd disperses as usual after Friday prayers at USM in Penang.
Over in KL, church lawyer Annou Xavier appears satisfied with police co-operation in beefing up security around key churches.
1350: The Friday sermon, heard over the USM mosque loud-speakers in Penang, questions the Herald’s use of the term Allah. A similar sermon was screened on TV1, says one viewer.
1239: Selangor Mentri Besar Khalid Ibrahim has asked police to be at all churches. “Police will deploy officers and are cooperating with us,” a church lawyer informs me.
Meanwhile, the FRU have been spotted in Kelana Jaya heading for the Federal Highway, according to an eye-witness.
1237: “I think (what has happened) is very, very unfortunate. This is exactly what we do not want to happen,” says Syed Ibrahim Syed Noh, deputy president of Jamaah Islah Malaysia (JIM).
“As good religious people, we know that each religion stresses tolerance and respect for one another’s practices. We should let the court process go on but at the same time we should calm our people, Muslims and non-Muslims, to ensure we always act in the interests of all and the country.”
“I think the word ‘Allah’ is something which is mulia, to be respected by all. Allah represents God for all. In other words, the use of the phrase should be done in a tactful and respectful manner without any bad intent.”
1152: An attempted attack at the Life Chapel in Section 17. A molotov cocktail again. No real damage. “It’s the same modus operandi,” says Rev Hermen Shastri, the General Secretary of the Council of Churches of Malaysia. “There is a pattern.”
Church reps want the police to station personnel at all churches in the capital, whether Catholic or Protestant.
Selangor Mentri Besar Khalid Ibrahim is with a church lawyer at the Assumption Church.
1127: Some 21 police personnel along with a forensics team are at the Assumption Church along Jalan Templar to inspect the failed arson attack. They have assured church reps that there would be more police patrols around churches.
Selangor Mentri Besar Khalid Ibrahim is said to be on the way to visit the church.
The Metro Tabernacle Church after the arson attack - Photo via iron
1000: Woke up this morning to text messages on the fire-bombing at the Metro Tabernacle Church in Desa Melawati and the failed kerosene attack on the Assumption Church in Jalan Templar.
The world of Twitter is abuzz with messages expressing outrage.
This could be a long day. A few elements are obviously out there bent on stirring trouble. It is important for political and religious leaders from across the spectrum to condemn such attacks. Thus far, the political leadership of this country on this issue has not been inspiring, to put it mildly.
I am sure Malaysians of all spiritual faiths and those of goodwill will abhor attacks on any place of worship.
In the face of some trepidation ahead of expected protests, let’s look to the young for some hope for the future. This is an excerpt from a Malaysiakini report:
In a show of solidarity, Muslim and Christian students in Universiti Malaya (yesterday) came out with a consensus over the ‘Allah’ row.
In a statement, PMIUM (UM Association of Muslim Students) and PKVUM (UM Varsity Christian’s Association), the umbrella organisations that represent students of the respective religions, said the two groups had reached an understanding over the matter.
PMIUM president Shazni Munir Mohd Ithnin and PKVUM president Benjamin Ong both signed the statement listing down the guidelines that they have agreed upon:
- That dialogue and discourse is the best and respectable way to handle the issue.
- That proper education to the adherents of the different faiths must be given in order to ensure the proper understanding of tenets of each religion.
- The legal system is not the only proper way to solve the issue, especially when it is open to manipulation by certain parties.
- Religious institutions and leaders must take the proactive step of meeting and engaging in discourse in order to promote greater understanding among the different faiths.
They reminded all parties not to manipulate the issue and condemned those who use it to provoke public sentiments.
The public must use discretion and proper education to avoid prejudice towards the followers of other religion.
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Dear Gerakan K,
By what figment of imagination you see similarity, I don’t know.
The police does not report to the state government but to Najib’s government.
If there is a crime increase in this state, you want to blame that on the CM ?
How to reason with you when you don’t even know who controls what.
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Two questions might help us to determine whether there was similarity or not:
Q1) Several churches attacked = criminal activities [YES or NO]
Q2) Several armed attacks in Penang = criminal activities [YES or NO]
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Hello wira, did you spotted the similarity?
On the other hand, how can you ensure safety of all churches in Malaysia even though there were imminent threats? Do you know how many churches in Malaysia? Will you station some security forces in each church? Is that possible?
Honestly we can’t handle guerrilla-alike-attack like these, even with full assistance with the police + army. Because we don’t know the exact target. This scenario similar in Iraq or any suicide bomber pick his target.
Finally, please don’t discount any conspiracy theory behind these attack. Who will benefit at most?
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Gerakan K…..
Please read this http://malaysia-today.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29485:kelantan-1977-revisited-to-understand-selangor-2010&catid=22:the-corridors-of-power&Itemid=100085
It’s not about Malay, Allah etc….
It’s about your PM wanting to get back Selangor and he will try all means and ways to get it… Unfortunately or rather, fortunately, Malaysians have seen thru UMNO gimmick and style…
Then, another attempt will be taken to take back Selangor again…. when will Umno ever learn, they have lost the plot and they have lost the right to govern come the next election.
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Hmmm…….Deja, remember Sidang Injil Borneo case not settled…..This time Najib would need the zapper from MIB to erase memory. Else, I am afraid, Pakatan would make inroad into Sarawak.
Meanwhile, BN can kiss goodbye to Selangor & Penang
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The Prime Minister had lost the best opportunity to gain the respect for his leadership by declaring that he cannot stop the planned protests after the Friday prayer. He had lost the trust at all levels of the populace by saying that and thinking that he could gain political grounds.
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My dear countryman,
To torch your neighbor worshiping house is an act of evil especially when it was done during the night.
Religions teach us about love and compassion, why play with fire and instill hatred among your countryman.
We forgive all these devils out there either big or small, after all at the end of time they are answerable to God.
To (attempt to) burn down three churches has indeed opened the eyes of 3 billions human beings living here on planet earth…
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Anil,
If I may, I would like to bring your attention to a comment from a “cool head” from masterwordsmith’s blog. The comment I’m referring to is the first one from Nick who is a Muslim.
http://masterwordsmith-unplugged.blogspot.com/2010/01/for-heavens-sake-grow-up.html
I was informed by Paula that Nick is a wise and sharp young Malaysian. Despite the present darkness that prevails over us, I’m confident that a better Malaysia will eventually emerge from this darkness!
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Thanks for sharing that, Romerz. It is heart-warming to know of such enlightened young people among us.
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The hard reality is a small group of religious extremists always exist in any religion. This small group can destroy a nation by tomorrow IF they are giving blessing to kill, attack and burn down worshiping places by certain politicians. Rwanda is a good example.
ISA is still needed to check religious and other extremists from running loose and destroy the nation.
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nkkhoo,
Yes I agree. ISA is still needed to keep the extremists in check.
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both late jpII and now pope benedict were aware their attacker could not see the real target is not them (late jpII and pope benedict). you can also tell out how to fight with nature and chase wind i cannot do let alone attack the divine
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nkkhoo,
If you can’t understand English, please say so, rather than accuse me of just like the mobs who went church burning.
I don’t care if you are atheist or not, but the ability of your English comprehension is appalling.
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Again, you are a bigot with such hysterical shouting.
You still do not know who are the one burned down the church, and you are stupidly to announce they are atheists unlike you religious person. That is a mob mindset!
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I am amazed by the way Romerz handles the whole thing.
Once he located one open-minded guy he was like jumping with joy, and couldn’t wait to tell the whole world about it.
In his elation, Romerz forgot about the reality.
The reality of the thousands (millions?) … that are still believing that they can bully others to death, that are willing to launch a pogrom against the infidels.
What effect can ONE open-minded guy have against a whole crowd with the “You follow me or I kill you” mentality?
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Seriously, you shall take a mirror to see your own face first before calling others religious extremists.
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I am not going to have a shouting match with one who has professed to be an Atheist, and I shall leave it as that.
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How many wars in the history not started by so-called God followers?
It’s better to keep your God to your heart.
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nkkhoo,
Absolutely right.
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Sorry for this third message. I just found it on M-kini.
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/121532
It’s in Mandarin.
Brief translation:
4 guys stormed into the Agape Revival church at Pandan Indah in Selangor and started vandalizing.
They over-powered a priest, pinned him down. After that they torn up some posters and damage some sound system before leaving.
On the other hand, in Kuala Selangor, someone went into the Chapel Of Our Lady Of Good Health church at Asam Jawa, gave a copy of Quran to the care taker of the church, and gave advice to the care taker that the church might be attacked.
Mandarin text as follows:
“雪州再爆发两基督教堂事故
四人闯教堂推倒牧师恣意破坏
继雪隆发生三宗以汽油弹纵火攻击基督教堂事件不到24小时，雪州又爆发两宗教堂事故，第一宗是四人攻击安邦一间教堂，推倒神父在地，并恣意破坏一番后才离开，另一宗则是一名不明身份男人劝告瓜拉雪兰莪的一间教堂加强保安，因为该教堂可能成为下一个被攻击的对象。
制伏神父撕破海报
根据英文《星报》网页报道，四名不明人士在昨日下午6点半，闯入安邦班登英达的Agape Revival教堂。有关的教堂是坐落在一个店面里头。
四人在闯入教堂之后，制伏里头的一名神父并把他推倒在地上。攻击者过后过后继续破坏一个麦克风，并在撕破教堂里头的海报才离开。
过后警方代这名遭到攻击的神父，前往班登英达的警局报案。
不明人士劝告小心
另一起事故则发生在瓜拉雪兰莪。一名身份不明的男人走入当地亚三爪哇的一间教堂，劝告负责负责管理教堂的看更，在目前宗教关系紧张的时刻要小心，并送了一本可兰经给他。
据悉，有关的事件是发生在傍晚6点，这名人士会见了Chapel Of Our Lady Of Good Health的看更，要求他向牧师传达一些劝告。
该名男子是劝告教堂牧师小心防范，因为有关的教堂可能步吉隆坡教堂的后尘遭人攻击。
正面看待没威胁成分
教堂牧师阿兰佩雷拉（Alan Pereira）指出，他以正面的态度看待有关人士的举动，认为这是一个友谊的象征，因为这名不明人士劝告他们在发生教堂被攻击事件之后，关紧门户及窗口。
他说，此举显示“不是所有的人都是反对我们的”。
稍后赶抵现场的警员，则向看更录取了口供。
雪州总警长卡里阿布巴卡也证实了，这两宗事故。他补充说，警方有信心找到瓜拉雪兰莪事件里的人士，并相信他是一名当地居民。
卡立说，虽然在此案并没有威胁的成分，但是警方仍然希望录取其口供来了解他真正的目的。”
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Thanks, iron, I have brought this up to the attention of a priest in KL to see if he can verify the information or obtain more details. Strange that I didn’t see this reported in any of the English-language media.
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Chinese Press reported this incident.
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I checked with a priest, who confirmed the incident at the Asam Jawa church. A police report was lodged as a precaution.
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I am sickened by the behaviour of Pakatan politicians and the legion of cheerleaders.
This is a national shame, a tragedy that makes us hang our heads in shame. But even in such dark hours, these morons trying to fish in troubled waters by blaming their opponents and play the political cards.
We should be asking for calm and urge for peaceful solution of the issue. Instead these Pakatan leaders and supporters seem to be wanting the situation to get worse so that they can exploit it. It is shameful that they are already talking about 13GE and taking over the govt.
I agree with some of the earlier commentators that this issue can only be solved through discussion and with a good dose of tolerance and understanding.
I blame both the Herald for their mule-headed stubbornness and the extremist Muslim elements for flaming tensions.
Folks, let’s put the country first and race and religion next.
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Let forget about politicking and taking side. Who should be answered to our national security? The answer is BN government.
What is wrong if we condemn BN government for giving out (a tacit) green light for Muslims to demonstrate against a sensitive issue.
Unfortunately some fanatics cross the line…
If … extremists running wild, it’s impossible to see any fruitful discussion and dialogue.
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K,
The problem would have been solved if Syed Hamid Albar did not issue the ban. Furthermore, Najib didn’t nip the problem at the bud of pre-empting the strike on would be pepetrators
Haul those suspected folks first before eruptions begin. I have seen my very own eyes some of those who participated in the protests appeared in the last cow head incident
Feeble attempt by Hisham on not preventing eschalations unlike those with certain movement including Hindraf, prove of double standard
So what to say…….Defending the indefensible again
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Gerankan K,
Refering to what you have posted:
“Please do not include other irrelevant items into our current discussion. The question now is, why there is no people accuse LGE when there were plenty criminal activities occurred in Penang? But now you point your finger to my PM? This is not fair.”
Please don’t bark at the wrong tree, “If there were plenty criminal activities occurred in Penang?”:
Why didn’t you blame our police force who are entrusted and paid to do the job? Why blame LGE as he is not the Chief Police Office (CPO) of Penang.
THE CPO and his officers are in charge of such issues. It would have been better if you have any evidence of any crime that you wish to highlight, go and made a police report and let the police to
investigate.
Please blame don’t others except yourself if you are not helping to solve the situation and betterment of Penang.
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Finally, you understand my point. Our PM/UMNO also not the IGP/police. So why you all blame them now? Be fair to all, just blame the arsonists! In addition, please think who are the masterminds behind these attacks. In these incidents, who are the biggest winner? …
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IGP reports to Interior Minister, and Interior Minister reports to PM. This is a clear chain of command, no extra intelligence level is needed to comprehend this simple thing.
Interior Minister had given nod to demonstrations and PM said he is powerless to stop demonstration.
Tell me what kind of leadership from UMNO politicians?
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anyone knows… besides offering donations and verbal support to those affected, what can the average malaysian do to collectively voice/show their (peaceful) displeasure over these events?
any idea if there is a referendum of sorts in circulation?
this type of violence sets a very bad precedence and must be effectively nipped in the butt.
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I have been receiving sms messages from friends telling me not to display Christian religous articles in the car as there is fear that there may be attacks on individuals as well. The attacks on the church is creating apprehension amongst Christians in this country. The Government should do what is necessary to safeguard the well-being of Christians in this country.
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Hi Jacqueline, I understand the apprehension, but please disregard such sms, as there have been no confirmed reports of any such incidents.
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A compromise solution for “Allah” usage.
Malaysia is a multi-religion nation, a compromise solution is needed for this sensitive issue before the situation is out of control.
My proposal is
1. Allah can only be used by the Christian churches in East Malaysia.
2. Allah cannot be used by non-Muslims for whatever purpose in West Malaysia. Allah in the state anthems has to be modified to Tuhan.
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nkkhoo,
You obviously have not considered the background and history of the issue before popping your proposal. Without a good understanding and obtaining respect from both parties, your proposal will only cause more turmoil on either or both sides.
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What background and history you know about? When I discussed this issue with netizens two years ago, you may still know nothing about how this issue originated.
What is your solution? Awaiting Appeal Court turns down High Court decision…?
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.. My forecast is confirmed true in today’s TV3 Nightline, a mosque in Klang was damaged by unknown elements.
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The Star reports that a stone was thrown was thrown into a surau in Port Klang, shattering a sliding glass door, at dawn on Saturday morning.
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Go back to history, since only bumis in East Malaysia are using “Allah” long before they joined Malaysia. Keep the status quote and let them use “Allah” as before.
What is the fuss about this, Hishamuddin?
I believe majority of non-Muslims in West Malaysia do not want to associate their God and deities with Allah….
We should not let a small number of Christian or Catholic to change status quote in West Malaysia.
Although I disagree “Allah” is exclusively owed by Muslims, but I support “Allah” can only be used by Muslims in West Malaysia to avoid unnecessary confusion and conflict under the context of Malaysia.
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Your statement:
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I believe majority of non-Muslims in West Malaysia do not want to associate their God and deities with Allah…
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you assume too much. Your assumption was “cacat”. Your proposal also “cacat”. We can only know this when nationwide referendum has been carried out.
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Insofar, Facebook can reflect the actual sentiment of Malay Muslims on this issue.
Are you willing and ensure 100% bumi Christians can accept Allah is exclusively for Islam after the referendum?
Are you ok to accept any referendum on your basic rights? You will be a permanent loser as a minority for asking referendum.
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Please behave yourself naughty kid khoo. Stop taking advantage for the thing you don’t know….
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NKKhoo
I fully support your proposal. This is a win-win solution and a good compromise.
The Christian groups are wrong to insist on claiming an absolute and all encompassing right over the use of the “Allah” word. The Muslim groups that insist that the word can’t be used by non Muslims are too equally wrong.
We should be talking about defusing the tension, building bridges and compromising and NOT finger pointing and playing politics….
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Let respect the right of traditional usage of Allah by Muslims in West Malaysia.
Let respect the right of traditional usage of Allah by Christian in East Malaysia.
No one takes all solution, this is the best compromise solution. Two hands to clap, both parties are responsible for the final outcome.
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NK Khoo,
What happen to the sikhs? And the foreigners? Including Indons? Or worst Palestinian christians?
Let me give you one scenario.
Supposingly one Palestinian seeking asylum in Malaysia happened to be a christian. Since Palestinian christians are mostly arabs. The bible printed in Arab. Hence the very issue, the word Allah is used for God in Arab for christians
To ban or not to ban? To detain or not to detain? If Palestinians are being let go, then what happen to West Malaysians?
Khoo,
Remind me of Shanghai in the 30s where China chinese sit in the 2nd class. If you refer to the constituition, what does it say about equality?
My take is Moslems take the bite. Allow Allah to be used by other religion. Before the ban, christians are happily using Allah in BM. No restriction, why now? With your susgestion especially with all mishaps, you are openning a Pandora Box
What would the world say? What would Indon say? What would Indon react when their own citizens kenna caught with this ban?
Khoo,
The court is in the hands of BN & the moderate moslems
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Let face it, there is no true equality in our constitution.
Indian, Indon, or whoever from foreign countries, follow our laws. Nothing to debate about this matter.
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To BN lovers, please take no offence, i truly hope that the natives of Sabah and Sarawak are finally awaken now to see who is the real devil and vote wisely in the next GE.
Mr PM said he cant stop the protest while Anwar advised PKR supporters NOT to take part in the protest, and Khalid Samad from PAS in his blog quoted verses from the Al Qoran saying that non Muslims are not forbid to use the name of Allah…
I didnt hear Pairin Kitinggan say anything?
I hope those with knowledge will do a good job and awaken the Natives in Sabah and Sarawak to cast BN out in the next GE.
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… Malay Muslims main concern is Allah usage by Christian may dilute Islam teaching in the Malay community.
This dispute cannot be solved by Court, leaders from both side have to take and give in order to achieve amicable solution.
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Anil…Malay must be Muslim under the constitution. Why you are so scary to delete this factual statement?
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Khoo,
So more inter faith dialogue. More Islam teaching for moslems. Solution is so simple
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I have to say the majority (>99%) of Malay Muslims and bumi Christians are rational and cool-headed in this incident.
More religious teaching will not eliminate a small group of radical and extremist in any religion.
Many local people told me there are no extremists in the Buddhist. But I advised them to visit Sri Lanka to see themselves there is a group of radical monks.
I have always advocated ISA is still needed to detain extremists from any religions and groups before any irreparable damage to our country.
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Kee,
Pairin (betrayed) Mahathir and Mahathir (retaliated) and he loses. He is now back at BN and he can`t afford to (let down) Najib because he knows that he does not have much years left to protect his (alleged) benefits and cronies……. See how they do that in Sabah with even their brothers hoping here and there for their own advantage NOT FOR THE PEOPLE. So he better keep mum
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UMNO has always depended on the race card to strengthen its hold. They did it with May 13.
After the last GE, it became apparent to them that they had lost much support from the Malays. The cow-head incident (appeared to be) part of a devious and calculated strategy, as was the Theresa Kok and mosque incident, to polarise the Malays against the non-Malays.
Similarly with this whole issue regarding Allah’s name. It (appeared aimed at trying to) create, by force, a situation where religion becomes the rallying call that separates you and me, or us and them. The issue has little to do with theological or religious beliefs.
The more the unrest, the better for them; it would allow them to hit down on the opposition with the draconian ISA.
Do you think it really matters to them that investments would further plummet, and that they’d be bringing us back to the economic, socio-political dark ages? It has always been about being in power, and what that power enables them to do.
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Show us the proof. Recently there are so much PR cheerleaders around. You are surplus to the requirement.
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Agreed with you bro. We need to come out with proofs when we make an accusation or a statement!
Like Sai fool, he must come out with proof with how he was sodomized when the medical doctor who examined him had stated that there was no evidence of sodomy as his anus… is intact. So he has got to prove it right, Gerakan K? By the way, bro, sodomy cannot occur when there is no penetration, right? …
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nkkhoo,
You already stated very clear that you are an atheist.
As an atheist you have no business in this “Allah” thing.
You have no right to suggest that the Christian Churches limit the use of “Allah” only in East Malaysia.
You are so wrong to limit the rights of the Christians !
Please stay clear of this, nkkhoo, as you do not believe in God anyway.
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Iron, you sound scary to me…
Though nkkhoo is an atheist but he has evey right to voice his concern over everything, even in this Allah issue, ok?
I can assure you God is not pleased over our fightings about His name.
He is God, and an Omnipotent God does not need us, mere mortal sous to fight and protect and defend HIS name, simply because God is the Great I AM.
Honestly, i find the fighting of the name of Allah, as to whom can use and whom cannot, a very shallow and childish act…
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I do not bother God followers want to fight for whatever name their God wanted to be called, unfortunately their silly (from the eye of an atheist!) actions are affecting the security of other people.
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Race and UMNO are synonomous. UMNO survives using the race card. UMNO talks one language to the other BN component parties and another language to itself. UMNO’s partnership with them is superficial. The truth is UMNO cannot be trusted. We need an alternative. And the alternative is PAKATAN. The people are now fed up with UMNO and BN. Remember that this country does not belong to UMNO, it belongs to the people. The people have the right to choose whichever they want to govern the country. I call upon the people of this country to go for a change. A change is a must. UMNO should stop using the media to disturb the harmony in the country. Many these days are referring to Urusan paper as ‘(waste) paper’. I wonder why?
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arjuna..PAS also is synonomous with religion. Does that mean all religious violence can be attributed to them ? Have you read the Harakah ?? Its scary publication, Utusan’s a kid stuff compared to Harakah.
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nkkhoo is an atheist and ISA supporter. I think this naughty kid khoo should just keep quiet. You have no business with god related issues as you are non-believer.
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You have patented the God or God tell you that I cannot engage in issue related to religions?
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… ISA is still the most effective tool against violent extremists provided no misused of ISA to silent politicians and dissenting voices.
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the whole scenario clearly a sign of resistant and fanaticism (among certain people with) regards to allah issue….
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I sound scary?
Tell you what … see if I can sound scarier or not.
I am not a Buddhist.
Now what if I tell the Buddhists that they can’t chant Buddhist chants?
What if I tell the Taoists that they are not allowed to burn incense to honor their deceased ancestors?
Can I do that?
Do I have any right to do that?
If you say that that nkkhoo guy has the right to tell Christians that they can not use “Allah” in the Semenanjung, I, as a Christian, should also have the right to tell the Buddhists and the Taoists that they can not do this, or do that.
Tell me again, do I, as a Christian, have the right to tell the Buddhists, the Taoists, the Hindus or the Muslims what they can, or cannot do?
Please answer this question first, before you tell me that nkkhoo, a guy who does not believe in God, has the right to place limits on the Christians.
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The fact is Buddists and Taisits are not silly to fight for “Allah” as the name of their God or deities.
I have one question to you? When you want to use “Allah” in your English and Mandarin Bibles? Please tell me after you have done that before asking same right of using Allah in Malay Bible.
Local (Wese Malaysia) Malay Muslims traditionally refer to their God as Allah is an old practice and norm which should be respected by you. Another historical fact is people in West Malaysia have never associated Allah with other religions except Islam.
Limit the usage in East Malaysia for Christian bumis instead of creating chaos to the whole nation. I do not put the blame on Christian/Catholic, but on ex-interior minister, Pak Lah for banning Allah usage in the Herald publication two years ago.
Inter-faith dialogue should be held instead of dragging this sensitive issue to open court.
If you so blindly to think all God Believers are better humankind, you should learn from the history….
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Khoo,
You have forgotten the Sikhs? Karpal Singh, remember? The former tiger of Jelutong. The one who says Singh is king & King is Singh fella
So how? See what a tangle web we weave. It’s endless of battles
I am wondering if Syed Hamid Akbar has the wee brain of thinking of implication
Singapore government… nip the bud by hauling up some catholics in Marxist Conspiracy
They stop the problems before it happen. Not after all mayhem went off & go around giving gula2
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The ban by Home Minister is applied to The Herald publications. I do not aware the ban is applied to Sikh who is also using Allah in the worship.
If they is a law to ban Allah usage by non-Muslims in West Malaysia (actually there are such laws in a few states in West Malaysia), whether you are Christians from Arab or alien planets, follow the law in the host country.
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The NGOs who held the demonstration are affiliated with UMNO. Make your own conclusion…
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Proof ? Or just another wild accusations like the Cheap Minister ?
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Fair enough for asking proof. Next, the proof shall from who? From the police or netizens or anyone in the street? Another issue I cannot trust proof from Malaysian police. Who shall I believe in the Bolehland?
… Pekida was originally named as organizer before Muslim NGOs stepped in to replace Pekida. Draw your own conclusion.
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There is a big leap of logic linking the protests and attacks on the churches.
The point is that when we accuse someone we need to be logical and provide proof and not throw empty accusations.
You might or might not believe the police but then would you rather believe the Pakatan leaders and their cheerleaders who have political agenda ?
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Like Saifool, he accused DSAI of sodomising him when the doctor who examined his anus said that there was no penetration….
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Dear Gerakan K.
1. Let’s recognise that security and safety are the responsibilities of the federal government. The IGP reports to the Home Minister who, in turn, reports to the PM.
2. If there is an increase in crime rate in Penang, you still want to blame Lim GE? Can! First change the constitution and get the CPO to report to Lim GE.
3. Where were you when Utusan fanned emotions on behalf of your big brother UMNO?
4. Note the plural stand taken by Muslim leaders in PAS and PKR. If Utusan had acted responsibly and adopted the stand of PAS and PKR (which also happens to be the universal stand of global Muslims), don’t you think the situation would not have gone over the brink?
5. Go read Tengku Razaleigh criticism of Najib over this issue. No single person had put it better.
6. I have stated my theory.
Why don’t you tell us yours since you too suspect a conspiracy?
7. How to protect the churches? Note that all incidents so far happened in KL and Selangor and it is not too far fetched to suggest that this is probably the work of a single team or group. I would certainly advise churches to install CCTV or webcams at all approaches to their church. Get the help of the neighbourhood in this. The proliferation of CCTV/Webcams in Taiwan helped solve many difficult crimes there. It also helps to remain vigilant at all times.
8. Start the Muslim/Catholic interfaith dialog.
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Let me help out Gerakan K here.
1. You are right. But there is a difference being responsible for the security and being responsble for perpetuating the violence on the churches.
2. Being CM of the state, the Cheap Minister is responsible for the state’s security too. He cannot evade the responsibility. The state CPO is answerable not just to IGP but also the CM. The way Penang police acted in the case of KBP is a clear case that of this.
If the crimes are on increase due to weak political will and political interference, then the CM is also responsible for the rise in crime and I believe this is what Gerakan K is alluding to.
3. Are you sure Utusan fanned anger of the Muslims in the case of Allah usage ? They have been accused of stoking anger for years but wonder why there was never a physical attack on the non Muslims despite all their alleged “racist” reporting ? Why the attacks now ? Wonder why ? Don’t make illogical accusations without proof.
4. Plural stance by Pakatan leaders ? I would hardly consider Zulkifli Nordin’s and some PAS leaders’ statements as plural. Also I haven’t seen a joint statement by PR but numerous statements of vatious shades from “plural” to downright incendiary.
5. Ku Li ? Who cares about his views ? He has not given up his ambition being the next PM as such he will always issue statements that trying to fish for votes. Like Anwar, he could have been far more effective and useful if such wisdom had guided his during his days as DPM.
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To Malaysians of every faith including Atheists and Agnostics.
“First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out. – Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) “
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