Comments on: Herald permit: Divide-and-rule rears its ugly head? http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/herald-permit-divide-and-rule-rears-its-ugly-head/ Let justice flow like a mighty river Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:45:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: jerrymohan http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/herald-permit-divide-and-rule-rears-its-ugly-head/comment-page-1/#comment-431 jerrymohan Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:17:32 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/2007/12/24/herald-permit-divide-and-rule-rears-its-ugly-head/#comment-431 The government's control of the word "Allah" proves that religious freedom in Malaysia is threatened. It's a mockery of Article 11 of the Federal Constiturion which guarantees freedom of religion. The government’s control of the word “Allah” proves that religious freedom in Malaysia is threatened.

It’s a mockery of Article 11 of the Federal Constiturion which guarantees freedom of religion.

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]]> By: anilnetto http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/herald-permit-divide-and-rule-rears-its-ugly-head/comment-page-1/#comment-433 anilnetto Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:22:20 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/2007/12/24/herald-permit-divide-and-rule-rears-its-ugly-head/#comment-433 Well, by now, the permit has been approved, but the Cabinet has banned the use of several terms such as "Allah". Of course, doing the will of God is more important than outward displays of religiosity, which incidentally is not confined to just Catholics. I mean there are are so many people who profess to be Christians but who are actually materialistic and store up worldly treasures in violation of Jesus' exhortation. Sure, there are bigger problems in this world, which I often blog about. While some may not consider it a big deal what word they use to address God, as long as they do his will, it is a bit scary that a government can dictate to members of a particular religious group what words they can and cannot use to address the Almighty. If a government can do <em>that</em>, then there is little that would be beyond it. As for Eloi and Allah, there is an intense discussion about whether they share a common root word. Just google Eloi Allah at the same time... See also Mak Jun Yeen's comment above. Well, by now, the permit has been approved, but the Cabinet has banned the use of several terms such as “Allah”.

Of course, doing the will of God is more important than outward displays of religiosity, which incidentally is not confined to just Catholics. I mean there are are so many people who profess to be Christians but who are actually materialistic and store up worldly treasures in violation of Jesus’ exhortation.

Sure, there are bigger problems in this world, which I often blog about. While some may not consider it a big deal what word they use to address God, as long as they do his will, it is a bit scary that a government can dictate to members of a particular religious group what words they can and cannot use to address the Almighty. If a government can do that, then there is little that would be beyond it.

As for Eloi and Allah, there is an intense discussion about whether they share a common root word. Just google Eloi Allah at the same time… See also Mak Jun Yeen’s comment above.

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]]> By: Dikembe Mutombo http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/herald-permit-divide-and-rule-rears-its-ugly-head/comment-page-1/#comment-432 Dikembe Mutombo Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:34:11 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/2007/12/24/herald-permit-divide-and-rule-rears-its-ugly-head/#comment-432 What's the big issue. If they dont allow Allah, just use Tuhan. What's the big deal. Dont the Catholics have better things to do. Maybe the Archbishop who eagerly accepted his Datukship can prove he is not one of the many useless Datuks running around by using his Datuk link to get the permit. I'm sure he didnt accept the title for self glory but instead to forge a better relationship with the government. And no, Eloi sounds like Eloi and not Allah. Go blog about something else, like why religiosity is more important to most Catholics than actually doing the will of God. What’s the big issue. If they dont allow Allah, just use Tuhan. What’s the big deal. Dont the Catholics have better things to do. Maybe the Archbishop who eagerly accepted his Datukship can prove he is not one of the many useless Datuks running around by using his Datuk link to get the permit. I’m sure he didnt accept the title for self glory but instead to forge a better relationship with the government.

And no, Eloi sounds like Eloi and not Allah. Go blog about something else, like why religiosity is more important to most Catholics than actually doing the will of God.

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]]> By: Sivin Kit’s Garden » Random Links 206 (”Boxing Day” Malaysia edition) http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/herald-permit-divide-and-rule-rears-its-ugly-head/comment-page-1/#comment-434 Sivin Kit’s Garden » Random Links 206 (”Boxing Day” Malaysia edition) Fri, 28 Dec 2007 04:15:16 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/2007/12/24/herald-permit-divide-and-rule-rears-its-ugly-head/#comment-434 [...] Herald permit: Divide-and-rule rears its ugly head?Anil’s column in the Herald is one of the reason’s the weekly is my favorite … “Four years ago, Christian Malaysians were overjoyed when Prime Minister Abdullah Badawi sent Christmas greetings to their various churches and congregations. It was an astute gesture that touched many Christians, and many of them voted in droves for the BN in the 2004 general election. How times have changed. [...] [...] Herald permit: Divide-and-rule rears its ugly head?Anil’s column in the Herald is one of the reason’s the weekly is my favorite … “Four years ago, Christian Malaysians were overjoyed when Prime Minister Abdullah Badawi sent Christmas greetings to their various churches and congregations. It was an astute gesture that touched many Christians, and many of them voted in droves for the BN in the 2004 general election. How times have changed. [...]

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]]> By: mak jun yeen http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/herald-permit-divide-and-rule-rears-its-ugly-head/comment-page-1/#comment-435 mak jun yeen Wed, 26 Dec 2007 04:57:25 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/2007/12/24/herald-permit-divide-and-rule-rears-its-ugly-head/#comment-435 In hebrew, "God" is rendered ELoaH, spelled with the aramaean script (now Hebrew script) Alef for "E", Lamed for "L" and Heh for "H". The God of the Bible specifically YHWH is refered to as ELoHim. In ancient aramaic, "God" is "ALaHa", again the Arameans use the Aleh, Lamed, Heh to spell the word. Jesus reportedly spoke Galilean Aramaic, a dialect much akin to the relationship of Cockney English with Standard English. Thus God would be pronounced as ELoH. Galilean Aramaic does not aspirate the "H" so it would come out a ELo. "My God" would thus be "ELoi" instead of "ELoHi" or ALaHee. In Hebrew if I want to say "from GOD" it owuld be "Min Ha ELoHim" In Aramaic "Min ALaHa" "Ha ELohim" means the God(that we worship) or one and only God "Ha" means "The". Aramaic puts the definitive article at the back and thus "ALah" plus "Ha" becomes "ALaHa" In Arabic, "God" is generally rendered as ILaH, spelled with Alif for "I", Lam for " L" and "Ha" for "H" see the similarities? "Ha ELoHim" equivalent in Arabic would be "The" = "Al" and "God"= "ILah" becomes "ALLAH". When Arabic replaced Aramaic as the lingua franca of the Middle East, Jews and Christians in the Arabic speaking world replaced "ALaha" to "ALLAH" in daily renderings as well as in religious books written for the guidance of the faithful who couldnt spak the old tongues anymore. BE informed. In hebrew, “God” is rendered ELoaH, spelled with the aramaean script (now Hebrew script) Alef for “E”, Lamed for “L” and Heh for “H”. The God of the Bible specifically YHWH is refered to as ELoHim.

In ancient aramaic, “God” is “ALaHa”, again the Arameans use the Aleh, Lamed, Heh to spell the word.

Jesus reportedly spoke Galilean Aramaic, a dialect much akin to the relationship of Cockney English with Standard English. Thus God would be pronounced as ELoH. Galilean Aramaic does not aspirate the “H” so it would come out a ELo. “My God” would thus be “ELoi” instead of “ELoHi” or ALaHee.

In Hebrew if I want to say “from GOD” it owuld be “Min Ha ELoHim”

In Aramaic “Min ALaHa”

“Ha ELohim” means the God(that we worship) or one and only God “Ha” means “The”.

Aramaic puts the definitive article at the back and thus “ALah” plus “Ha” becomes “ALaHa”

In Arabic, “God” is generally rendered as ILaH, spelled with Alif for “I”, Lam for ” L” and “Ha” for “H” see the similarities?

“Ha ELoHim” equivalent in Arabic would be “The” = “Al” and “God”= “ILah” becomes “ALLAH”.

When Arabic replaced Aramaic as the lingua franca of the Middle East, Jews and Christians in the Arabic speaking world replaced “ALaha” to “ALLAH” in daily renderings as well as in religious books written for the guidance of the faithful who couldnt spak the old tongues anymore.

BE informed.

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]]> By: railcoop http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/herald-permit-divide-and-rule-rears-its-ugly-head/comment-page-1/#comment-437 railcoop Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:21:14 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/2007/12/24/herald-permit-divide-and-rule-rears-its-ugly-head/#comment-437 The main stream newspapers have already been brought to heel. Most people do not bother to read them or hear the news on the TV or Radio anymore. Hence, if there are any more publications that are remaining to publish some element of truth and stand to the 'principles of true journalism' they can be expected to be shut up too. The laws may be amended soon for the INTERNET to be brought under contril and then we will be in the league with Burma; Zimbabwe; etc and be referred to as a 'p.....' state in the foreign news. What seems apparent from all the happenings so far is that the powers that be are running scared and in their panic are losing their balance. The political positions that everyone in the ruling parties hold may be in jeopardy should they lose the fortcoming elections. Public leaders have already lost mass support and are being jeered at and boo ed at functions. Once such respect is gone - the the power to do soething worthwhile is also gone - excepting further looting of the Kazanah and the wealth of the people. Such are the course of events that have happened throughout history and this will continue for the future. Uncles, aunts, sisters, brothers, cronies, sycophants will be placed on various Commissions and Boards and transparency in all dealings will vanish. But retibution always follows. No one has escaped that and those who wag their tails will learn that on a day to come The main stream newspapers have already been brought to heel. Most people do not bother to read them or hear the news on the TV or Radio anymore. Hence, if there are any more publications that are remaining to publish some element of truth and stand to the ‘principles of true journalism’ they can be expected to be shut up too.

The laws may be amended soon for the INTERNET to be brought under contril and then we will be in the league with Burma; Zimbabwe; etc and be referred to as a ‘p…..’ state in the foreign news.

What seems apparent from all the happenings so far is that the powers that be are running scared and in their panic are losing their balance. The political positions that everyone in the ruling parties hold may be in jeopardy should they lose the fortcoming elections. Public leaders have already lost mass support and are being jeered at and boo ed at functions. Once such respect is gone – the the power to do soething worthwhile is also gone – excepting further looting of the Kazanah and the wealth of the people. Such are the course of events that have happened throughout history and this will continue for the future. Uncles, aunts, sisters, brothers, cronies, sycophants will be placed on various Commissions and Boards and transparency in all dealings will vanish. But retibution always follows. No one has escaped that and those who wag their tails will learn that on a day to come

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]]> By: lucia http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/herald-permit-divide-and-rule-rears-its-ugly-head/comment-page-1/#comment-436 lucia Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:24:40 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/2007/12/24/herald-permit-divide-and-rule-rears-its-ugly-head/#comment-436 well as a regular contributor to herald, i'm disappointed too. i had blog extensively on this issue and received many comments, most of them don't see any wrong in herald using 'allah'. some of them even gave proof of how 'allah' is not exclusively belongs to the muslim. well as a regular contributor to herald, i’m disappointed too. i had blog extensively on this issue and received many comments, most of them don’t see any wrong in herald using ‘allah’. some of them even gave proof of how ‘allah’ is not exclusively belongs to the muslim.

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