Comments on: Second Penang bridge cost soars to RM4.8 billion http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/up-up-and-away-proposed-second-penang-bridge-costs-soars-to-rm48-billion/ Let justice flow like a mighty river Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:39:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ben Nelson http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/up-up-and-away-proposed-second-penang-bridge-costs-soars-to-rm48-billion/comment-page-1/#comment-106850 Ben Nelson Fri, 11 Feb 2011 06:55:45 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=282#comment-106850 I am just wondering how we are going to afford it. Our "PROVEN" oil reserves is approx 3.5 billion barrels. Which at $100 a barrel it would translate to $350 billion dollars = RM 1050 billion. But since we consume half of the oil we produce - what we can now sell is only worth 500 billion. Current 2010 infrastructure project RM 60 bil - not to include other poject such as the Penang bridge. Point here is if I only had RM500 in my pocket, I would be carefull how I spend RM60. I am just wondering how we are going to afford it.
Our “PROVEN” oil reserves is approx 3.5 billion barrels. Which at $100 a barrel it would translate to $350 billion dollars = RM 1050 billion.
But since we consume half of the oil we produce – what we can now sell is only worth 500 billion.
Current 2010 infrastructure project RM 60 bil – not to include other poject such as the Penang bridge.
Point here is if I only had RM500 in my pocket, I would be carefull how I spend RM60.

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]]> By: sab_eyna http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/up-up-and-away-proposed-second-penang-bridge-costs-soars-to-rm48-billion/comment-page-1/#comment-44888 sab_eyna Mon, 03 May 2010 01:13:19 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=282#comment-44888 First of all,im sorry if i make a wrong opinions bout this. For me,2nd Penang Bridge is the most wonderful and intelligent design and management.It is the largest bridge in Asia about 23.5km.It will give gorgeous perspective to all visitor. If it is cause by traffic congestion,try to look for the advantages.It shows that Malaysia also have the engineer,architect and contractor who has ability to built the marvelous bridge. First of all,im sorry if i make a wrong opinions bout this.

For me,2nd Penang Bridge is the most wonderful and intelligent design and management.It is the largest bridge in Asia about 23.5km.It will give gorgeous perspective to all visitor.

If it is cause by traffic congestion,try to look for the advantages.It shows that Malaysia also have the engineer,architect and contractor who has ability to built the marvelous bridge.

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]]> By: nitrobactz http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/up-up-and-away-proposed-second-penang-bridge-costs-soars-to-rm48-billion/comment-page-1/#comment-32122 nitrobactz Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:56:37 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=282#comment-32122 how u all blame the government? built the second bridge...u all only think about the traffic congestion. u all already know about the traffic congestion..no one can solve this problem ma..unless u all use your shoes then walking yourself crossing the first bridge..what a stupid thinking. blame the government with the traffic congestion reason. stupid reason u know. if u all wan to solve the traffic congestion, go to the car producer then tell them stop to produce the car..can u all do that? wy dont u all think from economic perspective ma? u all not study about the economic ka? come on people..dont think like ... think like a smart person..where is the "minda kelas pertama"? about the corruption, if u all take the minister chair then manage the project, dont tell people u are ot involve in corruption. u all the same.... how u all blame the government? built the second bridge…u all only think about the traffic congestion. u all already know about the traffic congestion..no one can solve this problem ma..unless u all use your shoes then walking yourself crossing the first bridge..what a stupid thinking. blame the government with the traffic congestion reason. stupid reason u know. if u all wan to solve the traffic congestion, go to the car producer then tell them stop to produce the car..can u all do that? wy dont u all think from economic perspective ma? u all not study about the economic ka? come on people..dont think like … think like a smart person..where is the “minda kelas pertama”? about the corruption, if u all take the minister chair then manage the project, dont tell people u are ot involve in corruption. u all the same….

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]]> By: Reflections » Blog Archive » Do we need the second Penang Bridge? http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/up-up-and-away-proposed-second-penang-bridge-costs-soars-to-rm48-billion/comment-page-1/#comment-19904 Reflections » Blog Archive » Do we need the second Penang Bridge? Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:48:13 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=282#comment-19904 [...] Second bridge soars to RM4.8 billion (June 2008) [...] [...] Second bridge soars to RM4.8 billion (June 2008) [...]

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]]> By: ismail http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/up-up-and-away-proposed-second-penang-bridge-costs-soars-to-rm48-billion/comment-page-1/#comment-2382 ismail Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:06:36 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=282#comment-2382 Lots of competent engineers,quantity surveyors with specific experience in bridge building (and without any biase or in fear of losing favors)in the PR camp >>why don't they review the costs of building the bridge..do proper estimates..after all UEMB hv the designs ready.It can be the counterpoint to the special task force set up by our PM to fast track the job. LGE can officially request for details of the design to setup the whole review process. And if eventually there is a deadlock..an open tender can always be called..and if the tender proves conclusively that UEMB:CHEC Consortium is price gorging the issue of compensation is moot. Dream on? Lots of competent engineers,quantity surveyors with specific experience in bridge building (and without any biase or in fear of losing favors)in the PR camp >>why don’t they review the costs of building the bridge..do proper estimates..after all UEMB hv the designs ready.It can be the counterpoint to the special task force set up by our PM to fast track the job.
LGE can officially request for details of the design to setup the whole review process.
And if eventually there is a deadlock..an open tender can always be called..and if the tender proves conclusively that UEMB:CHEC Consortium is price gorging the issue of compensation is moot.

Dream on?

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]]> By: matt http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/up-up-and-away-proposed-second-penang-bridge-costs-soars-to-rm48-billion/comment-page-1/#comment-2337 matt Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:17:11 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=282#comment-2337 Anil You are forgetting december is six months away, how not to increase price,have to pay delegates ma. Anil
You are forgetting december is six months away, how not to increase price,have to pay delegates ma.

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]]> By: yh http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/up-up-and-away-proposed-second-penang-bridge-costs-soars-to-rm48-billion/comment-page-1/#comment-2336 yh Tue, 03 Jun 2008 06:06:57 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=282#comment-2336 nothing has changed. this government will continue its mismanagement ways and cronyism is not going to fade away. no, the gravy train has to go on to feed the fat cats. meantime, the government is telling us to change our lifestyle to accommodate the inevitable price hikes as subsidies are removed. sure, the government cannot afford the subsidies anymore but it can throw away billions into frivolous projects and fatten the alreadt well-fed fat cats. the rakyat better remember this and when the next election comes, this time round it will be more than tsunami. just kick the corrupt BN out. nothing has changed. this government will continue its mismanagement ways and cronyism is not going to fade away. no, the gravy train has to go on to feed the fat cats.
meantime, the government is telling us to change our lifestyle to accommodate the inevitable price hikes as subsidies are removed. sure, the government cannot afford the subsidies anymore but it can throw away billions into frivolous projects and fatten the alreadt well-fed fat cats.
the rakyat better remember this and when the next election comes, this time round it will be more than tsunami. just kick the corrupt BN out.

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]]> By: Michelle http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/up-up-and-away-proposed-second-penang-bridge-costs-soars-to-rm48-billion/comment-page-1/#comment-2335 Michelle Tue, 03 Jun 2008 04:08:24 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=282#comment-2335 Your call that they come up with a master plan for the entire state is something very much in need. It is always due to lack of planning ahead that causes the problems in the end. In Auckland NZ, it is exactly this same problem of non-planning that has gotten the city to where it is. The problem may not be as serious as those in Malaysia because there are less people and cars in Auckland, but it's a problem, and one that could possibly happen in Malaysia. The roads and highways that link to the city centre or Auckland CBD(Central Business District) are called "Spaghetti Junctions". Why? Because the roads are as messy as spaghetti. They're all over the place, joining where you least expect them to, and you basically have to be on the correct lane, or else you might end up somewhere else, and totally bypass the city! This was because of bad urban planning. They don't have good public transport infrastructure because they don't have the numbers to sustain them. Malaysia has a population of 27 million, and counting. NZ has a population of 4 million ++. Malaysia definitely wouldn't <i>rugi</i> if more time and money and effort was spent on urban planning. Your call that they come up with a master plan for the entire state is something very much in need. It is always due to lack of planning ahead that causes the problems in the end.

In Auckland NZ, it is exactly this same problem of non-planning that has gotten the city to where it is. The problem may not be as serious as those in Malaysia because there are less people and cars in Auckland, but it’s a problem, and one that could possibly happen in Malaysia.

The roads and highways that link to the city centre or Auckland CBD(Central Business District) are called “Spaghetti Junctions”. Why? Because the roads are as messy as spaghetti. They’re all over the place, joining where you least expect them to, and you basically have to be on the correct lane, or else you might end up somewhere else, and totally bypass the city!

This was because of bad urban planning. They don’t have good public transport infrastructure because they don’t have the numbers to sustain them.

Malaysia has a population of 27 million, and counting. NZ has a population of 4 million ++. Malaysia definitely wouldn’t rugi if more time and money and effort was spent on urban planning.

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]]> By: songsar http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/up-up-and-away-proposed-second-penang-bridge-costs-soars-to-rm48-billion/comment-page-1/#comment-2334 songsar Tue, 03 Jun 2008 03:54:10 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=282#comment-2334 The reason it keeps escalating is because UEM is umno is involved and what better way to make all the money possible to fund the umno machineries of sorts and also to fatten the privileged few. To make life easy and instead of increasing prices every now and then why not simply declare a cost of 10 billion. After all the government is so used to screwing the People. At the way things go, where does it put Malaysia in the eyes of the world. To the honest ones - dont deal with them and to the corrupt ones you are brother. The reason it keeps escalating is because UEM is umno is involved and what better way to make all the money possible to fund the umno machineries of sorts and also to fatten the privileged few. To make life easy and instead of increasing prices every now and then why not simply declare a cost of 10 billion. After all the government is so used to screwing the People.

At the way things go, where does it put Malaysia in the eyes of the world. To the honest ones – dont deal with them and to the corrupt ones you are brother.

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]]> By: Anak Pulau Pinang http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/up-up-and-away-proposed-second-penang-bridge-costs-soars-to-rm48-billion/comment-page-1/#comment-2333 Anak Pulau Pinang Tue, 03 Jun 2008 02:15:26 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=282#comment-2333 In response to Jughead's question, "How to putus contract?", I believe any contract up to now has been between the Federal Govt (Read UMNO) and UEM and of course the selected partner- a Chinese Company. Putus what contract then? Did Penang State (meaning Koh Soh Khoon - stupid Khoon for non cantonese speackers) put their paw print on the agreements so far? If not, the Ball (I don't care whose ) is in the BN's Hands and they will have to unravel the s*** they dug themselves into. Alternatively, the contract or agreement stands at 2.7 billion, the soaring numbers to 4.8 and probably more are all further estimates of costs including "ang pows to all involved. If the Soph Lhoon has put Penang into the s*** at 2.7 billion, lets see if the present State Govt can look into legal means to grab him by his 'shrinking s*****' (bet you they are probably shrunken completely by now) and hold him personally responsible. Anyway, better to deal with 2.7 b (responsibility to be shared with BN Govet) than 4.8 today, 5.9 tomorrow and whatever else (10B???) by 2011. In response to Jughead’s question, “How to putus contract?”, I believe any contract up to now has been between the Federal Govt (Read UMNO) and UEM and of course the selected partner- a Chinese Company. Putus what contract then? Did Penang State (meaning Koh Soh Khoon – stupid Khoon for non cantonese speackers) put their paw print on the agreements so far? If not, the Ball (I don’t care whose ) is in the BN’s Hands and they will have to unravel the s*** they dug themselves into.
Alternatively, the contract or agreement stands
at 2.7 billion, the soaring numbers to 4.8 and probably more are all further estimates of costs including “ang pows to all involved. If the Soph Lhoon has put Penang into the s*** at 2.7 billion, lets see if the present State Govt can look into legal means to grab him by his ‘shrinking s*****’ (bet you they are probably shrunken completely by now) and hold him personally responsible. Anyway, better to deal with 2.7 b (responsibility to be shared with BN Govet) than 4.8 today, 5.9 tomorrow and whatever else (10B???) by 2011.

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