Comments on: Tengku Idaura is new Botanic Garden chief http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/tengku-idaura-is-new-botanic-garden-chief/ Let justice flow like a mighty river Fri, 25 May 2012 02:14:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Tengku Idaura http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/tengku-idaura-is-new-botanic-garden-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-55540 Tengku Idaura Wed, 11 Aug 2010 04:15:18 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=21885#comment-55540 It's heartening to read the comments about the Penang Botanic Gardens. After working here for 7 days, I feel downright discouraged at the volume of tasks ahead of me. Most of all, can I remove all the unneccesary structures which the officials would declare as "structurally sound" and therefore... Then where are the brains and the brawn ? There's not a single botanist although there's a Botany Unit made of clerical staff trying their best at identifying and classifying plants. So, guys who want to volunteer please come forward. As for the brawn, the garden has expanded 8-fold from 72 to 592 acres, and the staff number remain the same,while 26% of them are assigned to maintain the State's VIP's gardens. Any gardening volunteers ? We surely need you here. Several regular walkers stop to talk to me after noticing that I'm a "regular". I'm really glad that theyshare the same ideals. Thanks for wishing me luck. It’s heartening to read the comments about the Penang Botanic Gardens.
After working here for 7 days, I feel downright discouraged at the volume of tasks ahead of me.
Most of all, can I remove all the unneccesary structures which the officials would declare as “structurally sound” and therefore…

Then where are the brains and the brawn ? There’s not a single botanist although there’s a Botany Unit made of clerical staff trying their best at identifying and classifying plants.
So, guys who want to volunteer please come forward.
As for the brawn, the garden has expanded 8-fold from 72 to 592 acres, and the staff number remain the same,while 26% of them are assigned to maintain the State’s VIP’s gardens.
Any gardening volunteers ? We surely need you here.

Several regular walkers stop to talk to me after noticing that I’m a “regular”. I’m really glad that theyshare the same ideals.

Thanks for wishing me luck.

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]]> By: Philip http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/tengku-idaura-is-new-botanic-garden-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-53095 Philip Mon, 26 Jul 2010 05:40:19 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=21885#comment-53095 It is a well known fact why right-minded people in Malaysia would prefer to work and live in Singapore. So much talk on brain drain but have you ever see the bn government do anythign to arrest the trend? Instead, they choose to replace the outflow with the brains from Indonesia. It is a well known fact why right-minded people in Malaysia would prefer to work and live in Singapore.

So much talk on brain drain but have you ever see the bn government do anythign to arrest the trend?
Instead, they choose to replace the outflow with the brains from Indonesia.

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]]> By: Kahseng http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/tengku-idaura-is-new-botanic-garden-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-53082 Kahseng Mon, 26 Jul 2010 04:04:05 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=21885#comment-53082 Don't forget Indonesia's Bogor Botanical Garden near Jakarta that consistently wins praise from modern writers of travel, botany, and lifestyle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogor_Botanical_Gardens The Penang, Singapore, and Indonesian botanical gardens were established around the same time for the same purpose of developing agricultural economics (still important today, plus the additional issue of ecological sustainability). But the Penang garden is the one that keeps going down hill, like its port, free trade, FDI, public transport, and many aspects. It is good that the unworkable federal-state tug of control and resources are coming to the surface. So many of Penang's problems stem from this source. Anil, it is also good that in the past year you have focused more and written more explicitly on the federal-state struggles. People need to wake up. This is a federation, not communist or fascist central-command country. Or would it be if we allow it? Don’t forget Indonesia’s Bogor Botanical Garden near Jakarta that consistently wins praise from modern writers of travel, botany, and lifestyle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogor_Botanical_Gardens

The Penang, Singapore, and Indonesian botanical gardens were established around the same time for the same purpose of developing agricultural economics (still important today, plus the additional issue of ecological sustainability).

But the Penang garden is the one that keeps going down hill, like its port, free trade, FDI, public transport, and many aspects.

It is good that the unworkable federal-state tug of control and resources are coming to the surface. So many of Penang’s problems stem from this source.

Anil, it is also good that in the past year you have focused more and written more explicitly on the federal-state struggles. People need to wake up. This is a federation, not communist or fascist central-command country. Or would it be if we allow it?

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]]> By: SK http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/tengku-idaura-is-new-botanic-garden-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-52969 SK Sun, 25 Jul 2010 09:34:17 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=21885#comment-52969 Tungku Udaura's comment is like a breath of fresh air this Garden needs. Where were you all these years? Tungku Udaura’s comment is like a breath of fresh air this Garden needs. Where were you all these years?

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]]> By: SK http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/tengku-idaura-is-new-botanic-garden-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-52965 SK Sun, 25 Jul 2010 09:27:12 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=21885#comment-52965 Hi Tan Of Tanjong Bungah, Your comment reminds me of the Adorna case. Land fraudulently sold to a developer and judge made his judgement in favour of the developer when the original owner tried to claim back the land. I don't know what is the status now. Hi Tan Of Tanjong Bungah,
Your comment reminds me of the Adorna case. Land fraudulently sold to a developer and judge made his judgement in favour of the developer when the original owner tried to claim back the land. I don’t know what is the status now.

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]]> By: Yati http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/tengku-idaura-is-new-botanic-garden-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-52456 Yati Thu, 22 Jul 2010 05:45:08 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=21885#comment-52456 Why not benchmark the success of Singapore Botanical Garden? Even Andre Bocelli had a concert there, sponsored by a malaysian tycoon who chose not to contribute to malaysia. Why not benchmark the success of Singapore Botanical Garden?

Even Andre Bocelli had a concert there, sponsored by a malaysian tycoon who chose not to contribute to malaysia.

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]]> By: Sean http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/tengku-idaura-is-new-botanic-garden-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-52446 Sean Thu, 22 Jul 2010 04:55:41 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=21885#comment-52446 He certainly sounds like a interesting fellow! http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:AAs-mu1SnA0J:property.simedarby.com/thewindow/arc/2008june-july/pdf/OurGreenHeros.pdf+james+kingham+penang&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=ubuntu Can anybody find the original version of this document? I'll do what's necessary to add it to the Internet Archive / Wayback Machine if someone can link to the PDF. He certainly sounds like a interesting fellow!

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:AAs-mu1SnA0J:property.simedarby.com/thewindow/arc/2008june-july/pdf/OurGreenHeros.pdf+james+kingham+penang&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=ubuntu

Can anybody find the original version of this document? I’ll do what’s necessary to add it to the Internet Archive / Wayback Machine if someone can link to the PDF.

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]]> By: LKH http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/tengku-idaura-is-new-botanic-garden-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-52360 LKH Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:02:49 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=21885#comment-52360 There's a lack of Malaysian botanists because they are in S'pore and working for NParks :P For the past 30 years, i have seen the growing disparity between how our two countries are managed and developed. Education system seems to be the key. Set high standards, end up with competent people. The state of the Pg Botanic Gardens today is but a sad reflection of how things are planned and carried out in the greater scheme of things here. Malaysia boleh...yada yada... Actually there are capable people around, but they were discouraged and fed up with the bureaucracy. It's not that they didn't give feedback. But got listen meh? Aiya...so much potential but end up like this. What we see today, is the accumulated negligence in the past. The future begins today. Anyway, this way forward i hope. All the best to Tengku! Hopefully Penangnites will rise up and also support this endeavour. There’s a lack of Malaysian botanists because they are in S’pore and working for NParks :P

For the past 30 years, i have seen the growing disparity between how our two countries are managed and developed. Education system seems to be the key. Set high standards, end up with competent people. The state of the Pg Botanic Gardens today is but a sad reflection of how things are planned and carried out in the greater scheme of things here. Malaysia boleh…yada yada…
Actually there are capable people around, but they were discouraged and fed up with the bureaucracy. It’s not that they didn’t give feedback. But got listen meh? Aiya…so much potential but end up like this. What we see today, is the accumulated negligence in the past. The future begins today.

Anyway, this way forward i hope. All the best to Tengku! Hopefully Penangnites will rise up and also support this endeavour.

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]]> By: SlogInM'sia http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/tengku-idaura-is-new-botanic-garden-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-52310 SlogInM'sia Wed, 21 Jul 2010 07:21:56 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=21885#comment-52310 Just to add on the issue of lack of botanists in the country, in the course of work, met a retired botanist and town planner, a few years ago and they revealed that Malaysia virtually has no botanists at all. Apparently, it doesn't have any properly trained town planners from recognised institutions either. You will be to confirm this. Interesting why there is a vacuum in these fields; given environment and development are issues that we are confronted with constantly. Instead, of giving scholarships to students who are adamant about doing medicine, a discipline that is likely to be less in demand in the not too distant future, hope those in power are thinking along these lines - to train more botanists, town planners and the like. Only heaven knows who the town planner was for the area right next to Sri Hartamas, Jalan Dungun in Damansara, and the bungalows on the hills (once a forest reserve) behind Travers Police Station in KL!? Just to add on the issue of lack of botanists in the country, in the course of work, met a retired botanist and town planner, a few years ago and they revealed that Malaysia virtually has no botanists at all.
Apparently, it doesn’t have any properly trained town planners from recognised institutions either. You will be to confirm this.
Interesting why there is a vacuum in these fields; given environment and development are issues that we are confronted with constantly.
Instead, of giving scholarships to students who are adamant about doing medicine, a discipline that is likely to be less in demand in the not too distant future, hope those in power are thinking along these lines – to train more botanists, town planners and the like.
Only heaven knows who the town planner was for the area right next to Sri Hartamas, Jalan Dungun in Damansara, and the bungalows on the hills (once a forest reserve) behind Travers Police Station in KL!?

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]]> By: Sean http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/tengku-idaura-is-new-botanic-garden-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-52297 Sean Wed, 21 Jul 2010 05:29:58 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=21885#comment-52297 Is there no scope for volunteering? Many biology/ecology/environmental graduates in the UK start their careers that way. Perhaps Tengku Idaura could identify some small projects that could be established by volunteers. I'd worry otherwise that there might be something of a chicken-and-egg situation: the place will be no good without the right people and the right people won't want to work there because the place is not the best. Is there no scope for volunteering? Many biology/ecology/environmental graduates in the UK start their careers that way. Perhaps Tengku Idaura could identify some small projects that could be established by volunteers. I’d worry otherwise that there might be something of a chicken-and-egg situation: the place will be no good without the right people and the right people won’t want to work there because the place is not the best.

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