Comments on: Reflections on the Penang dragon boat tragedy http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/reflections-on-the-dragon-boat-tragedy/ Let justice flow like a mighty river Fri, 25 May 2012 02:14:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Anthony Tan http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/reflections-on-the-dragon-boat-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-37833 Anthony Tan Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:35:09 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18127#comment-37833 Iron, I may not get your drift but one thing is for sure you memory disk is outdated. Please read carefully what I have written and I will repeat: "MOST rich kids and I guess maybe about 95% of them would not take up Dragon boat but would pass their time with friends at Starbuck or internet cafes or such places." I had mentioned more venues than just "Starbuck" as above. Maybe you are from high above the middle income group that’s why you are so defensive. Maybe you have allowed your kid/s to have good life and to stand out among his/her peers (if you have any children). You must understand in today’s live at school is very different from those were the days, it is so competitive to score good grades to proceed to higher education. Time is an essence to most students. They have to divide the time for attending normal school hours, going for tuition, school sports practice, co-curriculum and other school activities. I think you hardly travel the road to the Teluk Bahang Dam, why don’t you take a motorcycle trip there and find out for yourself how many “blind corners” are there along the route? Have you ever met a face to face with near missed head-on with a tour bus or the ten-wheeled construction lorries at these “blind corners” that these BIG vehicles cuts into your path along the route? If we are talking about safety for the young school students, than why we are putting them in more risky venture? How many students have rich parents to give them a car to go for Dragon Boat activities at the Teluk Bahang Dam? Driving a car of course give them better protection than riding a motorcycle. I know this stretch of road well because my family house is in Batu Ferringhi and I grew up there. I used to take three changes of buses to go to Penang Free School or sometime I cycle all the way to school in the morning when I have afternoon school activities. That is in the seventies when the road was so peaceful. At that time, there were not many want to be F1 drivers on the roads and even cycling is safe! Thanks kahseng for concurring with me and you are is right, the density of population has increased many folds from Bagan Jermal , Tanjung To’Kong, Tanjung Bungah, Batu Feringgi, and Teluk Bahang but the roads have hardly widen to take the increase of traffic. My suggestions on using the bus will not only reducing road accidents risk but also to encourage a new generation of citizens in green environment awareness and in reducing road congestion. Lets’ continue with one of Penang heritage and be proud of The Dragon Boat rowing sports and make it safe for all. Iron,

I may not get your drift but one thing is for sure you memory disk is outdated.

Please read carefully what I have written and I will repeat:

“MOST rich kids and I guess maybe about 95% of them would not take up Dragon boat but would pass their time with friends at Starbuck or internet cafes or such places.”

I had mentioned more venues than just “Starbuck” as above. Maybe you are from high above the middle income group that’s why you are so defensive. Maybe you have allowed your kid/s to have good life and to stand out among his/her peers (if you have any children).

You must understand in today’s live at school is very different from those were the days, it is so competitive to score good grades to proceed to higher education. Time is an essence to most students. They have to divide the time for attending normal school hours, going for tuition, school sports practice, co-curriculum and other school activities.

I think you hardly travel the road to the Teluk Bahang Dam, why don’t you take a motorcycle trip there and find out for yourself how many “blind corners” are there along the route? Have you ever met a face to face with near missed head-on with a tour bus or the ten-wheeled construction lorries at these “blind corners” that these BIG vehicles cuts into your path along the route?

If we are talking about safety for the young school students, than why we are putting them in more risky venture? How many students have rich parents to give them a car to go for Dragon Boat activities at the Teluk Bahang Dam? Driving a car of course give them better protection than riding a motorcycle.

I know this stretch of road well because my family house is in Batu Ferringhi and I grew up there. I used to take three changes of buses to go to Penang Free School or sometime I cycle all the way to school in the morning when I have afternoon school activities. That is in the seventies when the road was so peaceful. At that time, there were not many want to be F1 drivers on the roads and even cycling is safe!

Thanks kahseng for concurring with me and you are is right, the density of population has increased many folds from Bagan Jermal , Tanjung To’Kong, Tanjung Bungah, Batu Feringgi, and Teluk Bahang but the roads have hardly widen to take the increase of traffic.

My suggestions on using the bus will not only reducing road accidents risk but also to encourage a new generation of citizens in green environment awareness and in reducing road congestion.

Lets’ continue with one of Penang heritage and be proud of The Dragon Boat rowing sports and make it safe for all.

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]]> By: kahseng http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/reflections-on-the-dragon-boat-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-37808 kahseng Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:34:53 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18127#comment-37808 There's nothing prestigious, wasteful or pampering about arranged bus transport for group outings. It is more economic and fuel efficient for groups too. If you have recently driven through Tanjung Bungah, Batu Feringgi, and Teluk Bahang, you will realize the tremendous increase in high-speed traffic in the last 10 years, from an explosion of population up to Batu Feringgi. Rapid Penang buses perhaps can do the job if equipments can be stored on site. Let the team decide. If the traffic is too dangerous, as many parents will soon realize, there will just be a drop in participation. There’s nothing prestigious, wasteful or pampering about arranged bus transport for group outings. It is more economic and fuel efficient for groups too.

If you have recently driven through Tanjung Bungah, Batu Feringgi, and Teluk Bahang, you will realize the tremendous increase in high-speed traffic in the last 10 years, from an explosion of population up to Batu Feringgi.

Rapid Penang buses perhaps can do the job if equipments can be stored on site. Let the team decide. If the traffic is too dangerous, as many parents will soon realize, there will just be a drop in participation.

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]]> By: Iron http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/reflections-on-the-dragon-boat-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-37788 Iron Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:52:02 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18127#comment-37788 Not all rich kids waste their time in Starbucks. Not all poor kids go row dragon boats. Teluk Bahang is far, yes, the winding road is dangerous, true, but "bus service" is a little bit too much. You want to pamper our kids like our government pampers (certain) privileged people? For crying out loud, our kids are already pampered enough. They don't need to walk 10 miles in 3 feet of snow to school, and back ... oh wai... wrong country. :) But anyway, you get the drift. Not all rich kids waste their time in Starbucks.

Not all poor kids go row dragon boats.

Teluk Bahang is far, yes, the winding road is dangerous, true, but “bus service” is a little bit too much.

You want to pamper our kids like our government pampers (certain) privileged people?

For crying out loud, our kids are already pampered enough.

They don’t need to walk 10 miles in 3 feet of snow to school, and back … oh wai… wrong country. :)

But anyway, you get the drift.

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]]> By: looes74 http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/reflections-on-the-dragon-boat-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-37783 looes74 Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:17:00 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18127#comment-37783 Iron, I think we should stop finger pointing as it's not helping anybody. As far as I am concerned, it's an accidence. The state government has agreed to have an independent inquiry. However, inquiry's objective is for betterment & improvement New World Hotel collapsed in Singapore in 1984. Since then, strict regulations have been imposed. Yet, it can't prevent another accident that shocked Singapore. Nicoll Highway collapsed Iron, Ah so, stop construction! People do drop dead from playing badminton. So how, ban here ban there. We should uncover the truth, recommend solutions & improvement & move on with life Even Wee Ka Siong, BN fella, called public not to blame the state government. Iron,
I think we should stop finger pointing as it’s not helping anybody. As far as I am concerned, it’s an accidence. The state government has agreed to have an independent inquiry. However, inquiry’s objective is for betterment & improvement
New World Hotel collapsed in Singapore in 1984. Since then, strict regulations have been imposed. Yet, it can’t prevent another accident that shocked Singapore. Nicoll Highway collapsed

Iron,
Ah so, stop construction! People do drop dead from playing badminton. So how, ban here ban there. We should uncover the truth, recommend solutions & improvement & move on with life
Even Wee Ka Siong, BN fella, called public not to blame the state government.

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]]> By: looes74 http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/reflections-on-the-dragon-boat-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-37778 looes74 Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:43:02 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18127#comment-37778 FenceSitter, You are right about badminton! Several ministers dropped dead while playing badminton.... FenceSitter,
You are right about badminton! Several ministers dropped dead while playing badminton….

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]]> By: kahseng http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/reflections-on-the-dragon-boat-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-37767 kahseng Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:41:04 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18127#comment-37767 The potential scenarios of motorcycle accident travellilng to Telok Bahang is very real and should be avoided. Make group buses available instead. The potential scenarios of motorcycle accident travellilng to Telok Bahang is very real and should be avoided. Make group buses available instead.

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]]> By: Anthony Tan http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/reflections-on-the-dragon-boat-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-37766 Anthony Tan Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:24:41 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18127#comment-37766 Most people taking up Dragon Boat rowing are from the Georgetown and south of it are from the middle and lower income group. Can you picture the distant and the cost to Teluk Bahang (it is a bit further than Teluk Bahang) in your mind, Danny? Do the state government have a budget to provide free bus transport for the schools students to go for their training at the Dam? MOST rich kids and I guess maybe about 95% of them would not take up Dragon boat but would pass their time with friends at Starbuck or internet cafes or such places. The state government should be happy that some young Penangites are taking some wholesome activities like Dragon boat rowing as a sport and should encourage more to do so.This is to keep them from picking up undesireable activities take would grow into a social problem in the future. If the people in Dragon Boat are made to travel on motorcycle two or three time a week, could you see the risks of taking the distant and the winding road? Could you, YB please check the number of accidents record that had occured from Tg To'kong to Teluk Bahang annually? I think the road accident risks is higher than open water dragon boat training in comparision. Whatever it is, open water is NOT RECOMMENDED but any better choice? Most people taking up Dragon Boat rowing are from the Georgetown and south of it are from the middle and lower income group. Can you picture the distant and the cost to Teluk Bahang (it is a bit further than Teluk Bahang) in your mind, Danny?

Do the state government have a budget to provide free bus transport for the schools students to go for their training at the Dam?

MOST rich kids and I guess maybe about 95% of them would not take up Dragon boat but would pass their time with friends at Starbuck or internet cafes or such places.

The state government should be happy that some young Penangites are taking some wholesome activities like Dragon boat rowing as a sport and should encourage more to do so.This is to keep them from picking up undesireable activities take would grow into a social problem in the future.

If the people in Dragon Boat are made to travel on motorcycle two or three time a week, could you see the risks of taking the distant and the winding road?

Could you, YB please check the number of accidents record that had occured from Tg To’kong to Teluk Bahang annually?

I think the road accident risks is higher than open water dragon boat training in comparision. Whatever it is, open water is NOT RECOMMENDED but any better choice?

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]]> By: O http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/reflections-on-the-dragon-boat-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-37757 O Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:14:18 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18127#comment-37757 Which MB are you referring to? ... Hey! Latest news from Perak, Malays in the kampungs are coming out by the tens of thousands to support DSAI. I think the illegal CM is scared stiff, what say you Gerakan K? Cheers. Which MB are you referring to? …

Hey! Latest news from Perak, Malays in the kampungs are coming out by the tens of thousands to support DSAI. I think the illegal CM is scared stiff, what say you Gerakan K?

Cheers.

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]]> By: Limko http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/reflections-on-the-dragon-boat-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-37756 Limko Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:05:41 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18127#comment-37756 To Gerakan K, Don't confuse the issue by dragging in the culture thing!, I am only following your logic because of accident that ended with deaths, therefore dragon boat should be banned. Similarly, driving should be banned since more deaths occurred over the years, if going by your logic. To Gerakan K,

Don’t confuse the issue by dragging in the culture thing!,
I am only following your logic because of accident that ended with deaths, therefore dragon boat should be banned. Similarly, driving should be banned since more deaths occurred over the years, if going by your logic.

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]]> By: Iron http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/reflections-on-the-dragon-boat-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-37751 Iron Mon, 25 Jan 2010 01:39:32 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=18127#comment-37751 There are, as usual, a lot of key ingredients <b>missing</b> from Danny Law's statement. Those of us who read the Chinese newspapers have read about those "missing items" which, in one way or another, force the dragon boat teams to use other areas, such as the one in the McCallum site, as training sites. Danny Law is still doing everything he can to deny everything. I am not saying that he is the main reason for the tragedy, but without Danny Law's *maneuvers*, many dragon boat team wouldn't have to go to dangerous waters, such as the one at McCallum, to train, in the first place. The things Danny Law is doing is not better than the doings of some BN politicians, and IMHO, he should step down, in order to allow the PR government to redeem itself. There are, as usual, a lot of key ingredients missing from Danny Law’s statement.

Those of us who read the Chinese newspapers have read about those “missing items” which, in one way or another, force the dragon boat teams to use other areas, such as the one in the McCallum site, as training sites.

Danny Law is still doing everything he can to deny everything.

I am not saying that he is the main reason for the tragedy, but without Danny Law’s *maneuvers*, many dragon boat team wouldn’t have to go to dangerous waters, such as the one at McCallum, to train, in the first place.

The things Danny Law is doing is not better than the doings of some BN politicians, and IMHO, he should step down, in order to allow the PR government to redeem itself.

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