Comments on: “Otak-tak-centre” approach to heritage conservation? http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/otak-tak-centre-approach-to-heritage-conservation/ Let justice flow like a mighty river Fri, 25 May 2012 02:14:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: looes74 http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/otak-tak-centre-approach-to-heritage-conservation/comment-page-1/#comment-13954 looes74 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:49:48 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=5962#comment-13954 I believe it would be a great boost to LGE government if the discussion and negotiation with UNESCO turns out to be a successful one. I believe it would be a great boost to LGE government if the discussion and negotiation with UNESCO turns out to be a successful one.

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]]> By: romerz http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/otak-tak-centre-approach-to-heritage-conservation/comment-page-1/#comment-13953 romerz Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:31:55 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=5962#comment-13953 Did anyone bother to ask those who are affected most? http://romerz.blogspot.com/2008/12/heritage-who-asked-those-affected-most.html Did anyone bother to ask those who are affected most?

http://romerz.blogspot.com/2008/12/heritage-who-asked-those-affected-most.html

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]]> By: Jason http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/otak-tak-centre-approach-to-heritage-conservation/comment-page-1/#comment-13945 Jason Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:45:37 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=5962#comment-13945 ^^^ Well said. They are always quick to condemn when something goes wrong, typical Penangites! GRR! How many of you live in the heritage enclave, has contributed to the listing of Georgetown under UNESCO or actively involved in restoring any of those pre war buildings? Personally, i don't see anything wrong with our dear CM trying to negotiate a win-win situation. It will be for the benefit of all Penangites. Btw, what makes you ppl think that all Penangites echo your views?! ^^^

Well said. They are always quick to condemn when something goes wrong, typical Penangites! GRR! How many of you live in the heritage enclave, has contributed to the listing of Georgetown under UNESCO or actively involved in restoring any of those pre war buildings?

Personally, i don’t see anything wrong with our dear CM trying to negotiate a win-win situation. It will be for the benefit of all Penangites. Btw, what makes you ppl think that all Penangites echo your views?!

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]]> By: Meow http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/otak-tak-centre-approach-to-heritage-conservation/comment-page-1/#comment-13930 Meow Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:25:15 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=5962#comment-13930 What is so wrong with discussion with UNESCO. Do you idiots still prefer the present government to bulldoze through every issues like the previous one? How many of you can tell me that Penangites are all for Heritage listing? Have the previous government asked us especially the people who lives in the city and the property owners before they applied and do they have solutions to preserve the city before the application? From what I heard they can't even seems to agreed on the areas to conserve. From what I know the people who talk most on conservation are the people who can make money from it,eg.architects,the so call specialist in heritage and people who lives outside the city. I am not against heritage listing but I just can't agreed with some of the people here who acted like they are the champion of the people. Come and tell me again when this issue affect your daily life especially when it hurts your pocket. What is so wrong with discussion with UNESCO. Do you idiots still prefer the present government to bulldoze through every issues like the previous one?

How many of you can tell me that Penangites are all for Heritage listing? Have the previous government asked us especially the people who lives in the city and the property owners before they applied and do they have solutions to preserve the city before the application? From what I heard they can’t even seems to agreed on the areas to conserve.

From what I know the people who talk most on conservation are the people who can make money from it,eg.architects,the so call specialist in heritage and people who lives outside the city.

I am not against heritage listing but I just can’t agreed with some of the people here who acted like they are the champion of the people. Come and tell me again when this issue affect your daily life especially when it hurts your pocket.

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]]> By: Myblog http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/otak-tak-centre-approach-to-heritage-conservation/comment-page-1/#comment-13920 Myblog Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:35:35 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=5962#comment-13920 Dear Anil, Agree with all you say.....it must be first the rakyat interest i.e. we must preserve our heritage. However we must cut them some slag. This is already done and if they can salvage the situation, good for us. But in future, all this type of fast track and unconsidered development in the heritage area must stop. In the same breath, I must say that sustainable development must be allowed to continue. Who says that in European countries like Germany, France etc there are no modern building side by side with older heritage ones. Take Berlin and Paris as an example. The difference is that they are carefully thought out and well planned taking into consideration always the heritage aspect first. Another point, modern Europe started a long time ago, they too have made their mistakes but they are careful since several decades. We are just starting to develop as a nation, the state government is new and inexperienced, still learning the ropes and get themselves acclamatised to the available information. Also there will be elements that on purpose hide information or simply refuse to help. All this taken into consideration, we need to cut some slack to the new government although it is excellent that we keep a tab on them. Just my 2 cents worth. Dear Anil,

Agree with all you say…..it must be first the rakyat interest i.e. we must preserve our heritage.

However we must cut them some slag. This is already done and if they can salvage the situation, good for us. But in future, all this type of fast track and unconsidered development in the heritage area must stop.

In the same breath, I must say that sustainable development must be allowed to continue. Who says that in European countries like Germany, France etc there are no modern building side by side with older heritage ones. Take Berlin and Paris as an example. The difference is that they are carefully thought out and well planned taking into consideration always the heritage aspect first.

Another point, modern Europe started a long time ago, they too have made their mistakes but they are careful since several decades. We are just starting to develop as a nation, the state government is new and inexperienced, still learning the ropes and get themselves acclamatised to the available information. Also there will be elements that on purpose hide information or simply refuse to help. All this taken into consideration, we need to cut some slack to the new government although it is excellent that we keep a tab on them.

Just my 2 cents worth.

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]]> By: true-leaders.com http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/otak-tak-centre-approach-to-heritage-conservation/comment-page-1/#comment-13917 true-leaders.com Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:05:45 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=5962#comment-13917 The smartest thing to do is to sit down and talk this over with UNESCO, with the developers and come up with a solution, yes a win-win-win solution for the good of Penang and her people. What is so wrong with that? The smartest thing to do is to sit down and talk this over with UNESCO, with the developers and come up with a solution, yes a win-win-win solution for the good of Penang and her people.
What is so wrong with that?

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]]> By: lolking http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/otak-tak-centre-approach-to-heritage-conservation/comment-page-1/#comment-13907 lolking Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:17:03 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=5962#comment-13907 stupid penang people... no wonder penang still a kampung stupid penang people… no wonder penang still a kampung

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]]> By: @dam http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/otak-tak-centre-approach-to-heritage-conservation/comment-page-1/#comment-13898 @dam Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:48:02 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=5962#comment-13898 I can't agree with it. Again, I want to see Penang develop like Hong Kong and Singapore. We don't need that tens of thousands of prewar houses. It is not the same if these houses are all still strong and beautiful. Majority of them are just waiting to fall apart. They are an ugly side in the town, some not all though. So, unless UNESCO force Penang to spend all their funds on restoration effort for the houses...I rather see them disappear than standing there waiting for the natural elements to bring it down. A few rows left should be good enough to tell the world we have prewar houses!!! I can’t agree with it.
Again, I want to see Penang develop like Hong Kong and Singapore.
We don’t need that tens of thousands of prewar houses.
It is not the same if these houses are all still strong and beautiful.
Majority of them are just waiting to fall apart.
They are an ugly side in the town, some not all though.
So, unless UNESCO force Penang to spend all their funds on restoration effort for the houses…I rather see them disappear than standing there waiting for the natural elements to bring it down.
A few rows left should be good enough to tell the world we have prewar houses!!!

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]]> By: merlin2001 http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/otak-tak-centre-approach-to-heritage-conservation/comment-page-1/#comment-13884 merlin2001 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:30:57 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=5962#comment-13884 By the way the moon is smiling gloriously tonight at your ineptness. All you CM and member go take a long good look. It may never happen again in your lifetime. By the way the moon is smiling gloriously tonight at your ineptness.
All you CM and member go take a long good look. It may never happen again in your lifetime.

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]]> By: Han2 http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/otak-tak-centre-approach-to-heritage-conservation/comment-page-1/#comment-13883 Han2 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:30:48 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=5962#comment-13883 The problem with LGE is that he took on some of his colleagues from his party in Penang with baggage and skeletons in the cabinet! These are incompetent administrators... just look at the tennis fiasco. LGE need to get pros to help him manage the state, period. The problem with LGE is that he took on some of his colleagues from his party in Penang with baggage and skeletons in the cabinet! These are incompetent administrators… just look at the tennis fiasco. LGE need to get pros to help him manage the state, period.

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