Comments on: Land conversion: Special circumstances? http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/land-conversion-special-circumstances/ Let justice flow like a mighty river Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:47:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Anil Netto http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/land-conversion-special-circumstances/comment-page-1/#comment-130365 Anil Netto Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:38:11 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16798#comment-130365 I meant what I said. I meant what I said.

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]]> By: Ian http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/land-conversion-special-circumstances/comment-page-1/#comment-130359 Ian Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:17:19 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16798#comment-130359 Just that I would like to know if you are prone to exaggerating. Sometimes, people claim to know thousands of people when in actual fact, they just know hundreds. Point is this, are you exaggerating about that as well as the controversies behind LGE's administration? What we readers want is a fair analysis of his administration. Exaggeration doesn't help one bit when you are looking to be credible as a person looking for justice. Am I right or am I wrong? Just that I would like to know if you are prone to exaggerating. Sometimes, people claim to know thousands of people when in actual fact, they just know hundreds.

Point is this, are you exaggerating about that as well as the controversies behind LGE’s administration? What we readers want is a fair analysis of his administration. Exaggeration doesn’t help one bit when you are looking to be credible as a person looking for justice. Am I right or am I wrong?

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]]> By: Ian http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/land-conversion-special-circumstances/comment-page-1/#comment-130352 Ian Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:51:16 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16798#comment-130352 You accused the present state government of plundering and raping the state and its people. Boy, have you one shred of evidence before you let loose your mouth? I'm sure the MACC ... of UMNO will be glad to obtain the evidence from you. And where were you when Gerakan went ahead and sold land to companies which build the concrete jungles that is standing tall in the island at the moment? My bet is that you were in one of the fancy concrete tree hanging by a branch waiting for some fruits to fall into your hand. You sound as if we shouldn't be aiming high to be like cities of Hong Kong or Singapore. By your standard, we should be idyllic like Pulau Tioman, everything naturally. Man, you sure love coconuts now don't you. Selangor's mega-project? Can you give details of the mega-projects that you are referring to?... Come now, don't linger... do touch on Kedah and Kelantan. I'm sure you'll twist and turn like you are so fond of when it comes to telling one-sided stories. You accused the present state government of plundering and raping the state and its people. Boy, have you one shred of evidence before you let loose your mouth? I’m sure the MACC … of UMNO will be glad to obtain the evidence from you.

And where were you when Gerakan went ahead and sold land to companies which build the concrete jungles that is standing tall in the island at the moment? My bet is that you were in one of the fancy concrete tree hanging by a branch waiting for some fruits to fall into your hand.

You sound as if we shouldn’t be aiming high to be like cities of Hong Kong or Singapore. By your standard, we should be idyllic like Pulau Tioman, everything naturally. Man, you sure love coconuts now don’t you.

Selangor’s mega-project? Can you give details of the mega-projects that you are referring to?…

Come now, don’t linger… do touch on Kedah and Kelantan. I’m sure you’ll twist and turn like you are so fond of when it comes to telling one-sided stories.

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]]> By: Anil Netto http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/land-conversion-special-circumstances/comment-page-1/#comment-130348 Anil Netto Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:43:39 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16798#comment-130348 Yes, I have taken it a few thousand times ... what's the problem with that? Yes, I have taken it a few thousand times … what’s the problem with that?

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]]> By: Ian http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/land-conversion-special-circumstances/comment-page-1/#comment-130345 Ian Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:31:30 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16798#comment-130345 Woah! This blog is fast becoming an anti-LGE club. Well done Anil! As usual, not a squeak on the extension of PLUS toll concession that will tax the poor people of Penang for longer still. All that matters is LGE is selling Penang land to private companies as though it has never ever happened before. Where ... were you guys when Gerakan was giving up land for peanuts? And lastly, Anil... you've taken few thousands of ferries according to your reply last time. How can I take you seriously from now on? Woah! This blog is fast becoming an anti-LGE club. Well done Anil!

As usual, not a squeak on the extension of PLUS toll concession that will tax the poor people of Penang for longer still. All that matters is LGE is selling Penang land to private companies as though it has never ever happened before.

Where … were you guys when Gerakan was giving up land for peanuts?

And lastly, Anil… you’ve taken few thousands of ferries according to your reply last time. How can I take you seriously from now on?

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]]> By: daniel http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/land-conversion-special-circumstances/comment-page-1/#comment-35254 daniel Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:27:09 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16798#comment-35254 My friend shew me a piece of land at Padang Tembak. He stayed there until was force to move out. The Land believed been sold to (an Umno leader) before the 308 General Election. But since PR taken over the administration, the deal put on hold. Anybody can confirm this? My friend shew me a piece of land at Padang Tembak. He stayed there until was force to move out. The Land believed been sold to (an Umno leader) before the 308 General Election. But since PR taken over the administration, the deal put on hold.

Anybody can confirm this?

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]]> By: K http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/land-conversion-special-circumstances/comment-page-1/#comment-35239 K Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:14:56 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16798#comment-35239 Alonso Thanks for speaking on the behalf of the LGE Fan Club. I think the DAP cheerleaders seem to have the neo-con policy that "You are either with us or against us". FYI, we are not against LGE (I voted for him in the GE) but we are opposed to dictatorship and political shenaniganism. Is questioning LGE is a crime ? I shudder and think what will happen if one day DAP get to rule the country. They will probably have Secret Police to haul dissidents like us to some dark, dank prison and lock us for life. Welcome to Penang...The Land of Developement Above People and Condos, Apartments and Townhouses. Alonso

Thanks for speaking on the behalf of the LGE Fan Club.

I think the DAP cheerleaders seem to have the neo-con policy that “You are either with us or against us”.

FYI, we are not against LGE (I voted for him in the GE) but we are opposed to dictatorship and political shenaniganism.

Is questioning LGE is a crime ? I shudder and think what will happen if one day DAP get to rule the country. They will probably have Secret Police to haul dissidents like us to some dark, dank prison and lock us for life.

Welcome to Penang…The Land of Developement Above People and Condos, Apartments and Townhouses.

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]]> By: kah seng http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/land-conversion-special-circumstances/comment-page-1/#comment-35233 kah seng Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:36:00 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16798#comment-35233 The self defence below by LGE is murky because it seems to confuse or re-define privately-owned leasehold land as the same as freehold land. That is of course patently untrue. "On the PHH issue, I had explained that Pulau Betong assemblyman Muhammad Farid Saad had asked whether there had been any land conversions to freehold status for government land for development purposes during the period from April 2008 to June 2009. There was no government land converted to freehold status as PHH is no longer state or government land, but owned 51% by YTL Hotel & Properties Sdn Bhd(YTL H&P) with PDC holding only 49%." http://www.dapmalaysia.org/english/2009/nov09/lge/lge1040.htm That is, * because it started as 51% controlled by private sector, * then the leasehold land had become "private" land, * So when the government converts this privately-owned leasehold (but ultimately government-owned land) to privately-owned freehold, * it does not count as government converting government-owned leasehold to privately-owned freehold land. Confused? Hope I am wrong. If I am not wrong, this sounds like authoritarian language contortion and a dangerous sign for Penang and Malaysia. --- OK, now PDC has 50%. But without management control, it is still a junior partner. Further, does Penang government really own 100% of PDC? PDC's annual report does not help inform us (it only goes on about its investments). See http://www.pdc.gov.my/page.cfm?name=news Moreover, did PDC invest directly, or through one of its property subsidiaries, like this one? http://www.pdcpremier.com.my/Index.php or these ones http://www.pdcpremier.com.my/Subs.htm --- I am not anti-development. But development must come with transparency and accountability. Let's declassify that other Exco and PDC discussion minutes on PHH and PDC deal. The self defence below by LGE is murky because it seems to confuse or re-define privately-owned leasehold land as the same as freehold land. That is of course patently untrue.

“On the PHH issue, I had explained that Pulau Betong assemblyman Muhammad Farid Saad had asked whether there had been any land conversions to freehold status for government land for development purposes during the period from April 2008 to June 2009. There was no government land converted to freehold status as PHH is no longer state or government land, but owned 51% by YTL Hotel & Properties Sdn Bhd(YTL H&P) with PDC holding only 49%.” http://www.dapmalaysia.org/english/2009/nov09/lge/lge1040.htm

That is,

* because it started as 51% controlled by private sector,
* then the leasehold land had become “private” land,
* So when the government converts this privately-owned leasehold (but ultimately government-owned land) to privately-owned freehold,
* it does not count as government converting government-owned leasehold to privately-owned freehold land.

Confused? Hope I am wrong. If I am not wrong, this sounds like authoritarian language contortion and a dangerous sign for Penang and Malaysia.

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OK, now PDC has 50%. But without management control, it is still a junior partner.

Further, does Penang government really own 100% of PDC? PDC’s annual report does not help inform us (it only goes on about its investments). See http://www.pdc.gov.my/page.cfm?name=news

Moreover, did PDC invest directly, or through one of its property subsidiaries, like this one? http://www.pdcpremier.com.my/Index.php
or these ones http://www.pdcpremier.com.my/Subs.htm

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I am not anti-development. But development must come with transparency and accountability. Let’s declassify that other Exco and PDC discussion minutes on PHH and PDC deal.

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]]> By: Alonso Fulat http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/land-conversion-special-circumstances/comment-page-1/#comment-35218 Alonso Fulat Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:03:06 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16798#comment-35218 i think LGE is 1000 times better than the ... former CM. i have more respect for ... than the former CM from gerakan.... i think LGE is 1000 times better than the … former CM.

i have more respect for … than the former CM from gerakan….

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]]> By: Alonso Fulat http://anilnetto.com/governance/accountability/land-conversion-special-circumstances/comment-page-1/#comment-35217 Alonso Fulat Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:55:30 +0000 http://anilnetto.com/?p=16798#comment-35217 hey anti LGE people, my advice is go to MACC and lodge a report if there is any abuse of power by his administration. i am sure MACC will be more than happy to receive any report regarding LGE ... otherwise, just shut up if you guys cant prove anything. you guys are... bitching around about small issue but the real issues like PKFZ? sudah lupa ke? what is 8 million compared to 4 billion? anyone? Anil? K? or Ong Eu soon? Line clear? answer lah. hey anti LGE people,

my advice is go to MACC and lodge a report if there is any abuse of power by his administration.

i am sure MACC will be more than happy to receive any report regarding LGE …

otherwise, just shut up if you guys cant prove anything.

you guys are… bitching around about small issue but the real issues like PKFZ? sudah lupa ke?

what is 8 million compared to 4 billion? anyone? Anil? K? or Ong Eu soon? Line clear?

answer lah.

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