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Let’s not turn this topic into “Bash Manikavasagam” thread (not that this clown doesn’t deserve it).

The real issue is Klang Sentral and at least in this matter I think Manikavasagam’s views are valid.

Aaron I think you are missing the point here. This is not about people not liking change. Suggest you fully understand the complexities of the issue before making posting.

Also please do not defend the PR government when they are wrong. If we keep defending them, it would be only a matter of time they will be equally corrupted as their predecessors. As I had mentioned before, talks are already started to emerge about the sudden change in the lifestyle of PR reps and council members in Penang, Selangor and Perak. If we don’t send a strong message now, the PR govts would be a carbon copy of BN in no time.

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When you inherited a system that needs a major overhaul , you do not expect the new machinery can to made to tip top efficiency overnight. You must recognise that the system is made up of people and to change the system you need to change mindset of people and this needs time.

There can never be the ” best ” of everything in this world. Even the best companies do have their failures as well. Yes, you want to see changes and the changes are there for you to see !
Transparent bidding at the local town councils is now being implemented and no more one-on one discussion. This are changes and for sure, you will not be able to see.

Caring and constant discussion with residents is another as shown by Hannah Yeo and Lau Weng San. Just care to look around and you can see the difference ! These are changes for sure.

Well, if you can please highlight the little napoleons , I am sure the PR govt will gladly accept the exposure.

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Plus, how many of us are really using buses to commute everyday? Let the frequent users decide whether or not the Klang Sentral is worth a cent, after a few months. Some people really love to grumble when they are not in the position to do so.

Some argue that businesses would be affected if the old Klang Bust Station is shut down, but have they ever wondered what is it that makes the traffic in Klang worse? Yup, personal vehicles. This means, people would still come to Klang to buy things. If they don’t use buses, they will use their own cars. And it’s not like there are no more buses to Klang. So don’t worry too much about that.

One thing is for sure, Klang Bus Station is severely congested. That’s the main reason they look for somewhere else. The new Klang Sentral is much more spacious and has all the space and room they might need for future development.

Furthermore, it is the midpoint between Bandar Klang and ever-developing Puncak Alam. It would be easier and closer to get on NKVE from there, which is a good thing for express bus operators. Look at KLIA when it was first built. Was it any closer to Subang Airport when they came up with the plan to build a new airport? No. Did the people protest? Of course, why wouldn’t they; that’s what they do. But only if you’ve looked deep into the plan, you would see the wisdom behind it. The same goes for this Klang Sentral.

People complain, and they will never get tired of it. But it is the responsibility of local leaders, together with developers, to think and come up with solutions. Klang Sentral is one good solution, so try to live with it.

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But certain statements like “kicking them out the next elections”. Come on, you’re telling me you want BN back in your state? I rather give the vote back to PR! Do you want people like Khir Toyo and Ahmad Ismail running the country?

This whole bus terminal thing can arguably be summed up into one statement: People don’t like change. Because change comes with uncertainties, and uncertainties mean stepping out of their comfort zone.

Also, this MP for Kapar seemed to be a very immature, irrational person. No further comment on that! Yes to Santiago, go with the public listing of the concessionaire for scrutiny.

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Kapar MP should be told that he wasn’t elected by Indians in Kapar. Indians form only 12% of the voters while the Malays form 50% and they gave him 12,000 majority just like the Malays in Padang Seria (Kedah) of Gobalakirishnan gave him almost 12,000 majority as well though both were parachute contestants. Yet he (Mike) is behaving as if he was elected by Indians alone and says his can only consult Hindraf as if the party didn’t invest in him, didn’t campaign for him and didn’t convince urban Malays to give him a place in Parliament. He is insensitive and acts like a samseng. No wonder Karpal Singh said today: “”People did not elect him in his personal capacity. He has no right to leave PKR and join any other party. His only other option is to resign so that the people in the constituency can decide what they want.” (NST)

He is talking about Indians blaming Tan Sri Khalid and PKR for “doing little”. I want to ask: who did more than Khalid? Tell me one MB who did more than what Khalid did? Only today was revealed in the Star that while Khir Toyo refused to meet Indian NGO, Tan Dri Khalid met them 17 times since March 08, took their suggestions on the budget and allocated funds for Tamil schools in Selangor. More can be read here: http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/16437/84/

He is saying he will only consult Hindraf because they “represent the Indian community.” I want to ask: what about the Malays? What about the Malays who voted fom him bcoz of PKR? What about the Pas supporters of Dr Rani (ADUN Meru in Kapar) who gave him 67% support in March 08? Do you know Indian voters in the whole of Kapar is less than the majority Mike received from the Kapar constituency? Yet he is behaving (like someone) who doesn’t understand where he came from. If he says he represents the Indians, who represents us? I voted for him bcoz of PKR. I campaigned for him. I left Kedah where I work for a multinational company to vote and take along my whole family. Now, who represents us? Hindraf? What about the Malay leaders who campaigned for him? Who spent money on him to win? He doesn’t need to consult them! I’m really angry at this puerile tantrums of Mike and his immaturity. If he thinks he was elected by Indians alone though Indians got a better deal in PKR and Selangor PR alliance, then we the Malays of Kapar who voted for him bcoz of his party want a new representative. He can go and join Hindraf or MIC as writte by Malaysiakini. Then we will see if he can win Kapar again on whichever ticket he stands. He will see dust. We feel insulted and rejected by a man whom we supported and gave all we could to elect him and yet has no kind words of our leaders and our people who gave him immesurable support. Does he think he can succeed with 12% Indian vote or what? We rejected a woman who used to fear us and we could manipulate easily to elect him so that he will represent both Indians and Malays and Chinese also, yet he talks as if we are non-exsistent, as if we didn’t contribute to him, didn’t vote for him, didn’t campaign for him, didn’t convince our old parents to give the “young man” a chance….

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Dear all,

Based on all comments posted, I can derive the following conclusions:

1) The Future Bus Terminal is 15 minutes away from the present one
2) There is a severe congestion in the present terminal
3) Most who protested vehemently are traders at the present bus terminal

Edwin has proposed the bus terminal to be 1 or 2 kilometres. Er, that means the state government got to build another bus terminal. Which points back to what happens to the new bus terminal? Another white elephant! Perhaps, Edwin is proposing State government to do a Keynesian. Selangor only has the total revenue of 1.5 Billion. Hmm………
Poor traffic management by Traffic Police and MPK? Well, I don’t wanna pretend to be an expert on this matter since I am no Klang resident. However, I would like hear Edwin’s recommendation on how to resolve this very issue.

Dear People,
I can only agree with Charles Santiago’s suggestion of publicly disclose the concession agreement. I believe Khalid the Selangor MB would do so willingly. With Open arms and legs if not the non disclosure clause (Oops, that’s my assumptions, of course. If not, Khalid , please disclose). Hehe if non disclosure thingy is Big Big problem, the only thing Khalid can do is to leak information. Some leftover copies of official documents in the male toilet perhaps. However, when the mainstream press ain’t independent unlike United Kingdom, I am seriously afraid it won’t go far. Perhaps, that would give Federal Government the opportunity to hang Khalid over the OSA.

Aiyah Anil,
Whatever policies required to be implemented. Be it in town, state, federal level. It must be win win. IT MUST COVER ALL GROUNDS. Not just the traders and surrounding residents. A Compromise! You can’t please anybody.
Hence, though Teng fella’s statement’s very outrageous, I truly emphatised with Teng instead of Charles and Manika fellas on this matters. What are the real issues?

1) Traders’ protests – High rental. Good, state government see ways and means of reducing and subsidising the rental for first few months. And revert to the present rental when business is good. People, remember here, when the present one made defunct, all buses would go to the new ones. Those traders would still get their business

2) Poor commuters would have to pay higher fares. Well, why not having limited feeder services from present to new one. If possible, state government, local council and the public can fund them. Voila, it solves the problem of

a) Having the new one fully utilised
b) Yeah, business would drop a little in the present. But still can smoothen the impact

3) Study traffic management within the affect area. Make necessary improvement. Aaargh….That’d be a bombshell. Whose jurisdiction?

a) Ministry of Transport – That Ong Tee Keat fella. Hey, you, don’t divert on the PKFZ thingy

b) Ministry of Corporatisation (whatever) – That Nor fella

c) Mistry of Local Government – Ong Ka Chuan, the defeated MCA deputy president candidate

d) State government – Ronnie Liu’s problem (Local government Exco),Hassan Ali (That PAS fella, Public Amenities and Infrastructure Exco)

e) MPK – Local council

People, that’s extremely important. Let me remind you on the freehold thingy implemented by Perak State Government. What did Najib say about freehold thingy? Hehehe! If the state government or local council try to be Hiro, oops, People’s Hero just like Manika fella and kenna blocked by federal government. Be it Ong Tee Keat, Nor fella or Even Ong Ka Chuan (Local government). Hey hey hey! There would be great great show! I love good show man!

The Conclusions are :

1) Lets talk things over
2) Cover all corners and all grounds.
3) It must be a WIN WIN. Everybody would be happy
4) Keep all your dirty laundries in house

Regards,
looes74

Oh, by the way, years ago, Johore bus terminal was shifted from the city centre to Larkin. Also 15 minutes from the city centre. Yeah, people complain. And then………………Silent…………God, I love Johore MB and those exco members. I love how that Singapore government handle those Singaporeans on all issue. Hehe, one PAP MP nearly lost his seat over the temple issue. Guest what! Shamugan and the Grand old man, LKY come to the rescue. I shook hand with that PAP MP. Nice Assoc Prof. A devout christian

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We were happy at first to get feedback from Selangor speaker Teng Chang Khim (who is also an ADUN in Klang) as well as MP Charles Santiago.

TRANSIT supports the call to make the concession agreement public so that Selangor residents will be able to see the CAT principles put into practice.

TRANSIT also asks that the government and wakil rakyat become more considerate when it comes to public transport – plans to improve public transport must be holistic and complete, not ad hoc and temporary.

In a nutshell, TRANSIT supports the construction of new terminals and enhanced public transit, and does not support the relocation of public transport terminals from urban town centres.

Our proposal for the Klang area is to have 3 terminals on a north-south axis. The 3 terminals would give access to the 3 highways (NKVE, Federal, KESAS) for travel east through the Klang Valley towards KL. These 3 terminals would be connected by a north-south, “Banting-Klang-Meru” Bus Rapid Transit system and also link to the KTM Komuter service.

As Muhammad Sha’ani pointed out earlier, there is a total lack of effort to ensure that our efforts to improve public transport are complete and holistic. Plans are incomplete and services are poorly marketed, the needs of the customer are misunderstood and good ideas are ignored.

Regards,

Moaz Yusuf Ahmad
on behalf of TRANSIT

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