The Kampung Buah Pala land in Gelugor was once owned by David Brown, a wealthy spice plantation owner during the early British colonial era in Penang who died in 1825.
Title to the land eventually reached one of his descendants, Helen Margaret Brown. For more information on David Brown and his descendants, go here and here.
Check out this copy of the Straits Settlement “Grant of Land” bestowing title to Helen Margaret Brown in 1938:
A lot has been said about the High Chaparral residents being “squatters” (setinggan). Many of them are actually descendants of workers brought in by the Brown family, who allowed them to live on the land.
On the reverse side of the Grant of Land, we can see the “sub-divided Lot 691 acquired by Crown for housing Trust – vested in Crown on 12.4.(1954?)”.
So where is the actual Housing Trust document? Isn’t the Penang Land Office supposed to have a copy? Why hasn’t the actual trust document been made public?
When the housing trust was dissolved in 1976, the land should have gone to the Federal Government.
So how did the previous Penang government alienate the land to the Penang State Government Officers Cooperative? How did they satisfy themselves that they had title to the land? State government leaders then have a lot to answer for.
Why didn’t the present administration, knowing the controversial circumstances surrounding the land following the promises made in the general election campaign, keep a sharp look-out on this land deal and double-check the actual land status before the transfer to the government officers cooperative was effected in March 2008? Was it merely an administrative matter that the present state government could do nothing about?
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“When the housing trust was dissolved in 1976, the land should have gone to the Federal Government.”
Finally, you are going somewhere with the trust thingy. After all the Hoo-Haa about the State being the so-called trustee.
Now, the only remaining question is why wasnt a suit brought by the villagers (as beneficiaries) against the trustee?
Solve this and u get a perfect picture.
And by the way Anil, to correct you,
The villagers doesnt own the land now and therefore are still setinggan/squatters. You should instead ask the question.. “Should the villagers be settinggan/squatters in the first place?”
You cannot keep arguing they are not setinggan/squatters coz under the law, they have no rights/interest over the land.
At least there’s some progress in the research.
What it all boils down to, in totally blunt terms, is this: Lim Guan Eng is a Chinaman and Sec-Gen of the DAP, a predominantly Chinaman party. Chinamen believe in DEVILOPMENT. They point at another island called Chingapore governed by another bunch of Chinamen and what they see is DEVEROPMENT & PLOGLESS! Highrise Flats, Condos, Malls, Cable-Car Rides, Disney-style Theme Parks. DEVEROPMENT VELLY GOOD! Bunch of quarrelsome Yindians huddled together for 200 years in the middle of Penang and still rearing cows and goats instead of buying their meat cellophane-wrapped in the supermarket… how can? Better they move out and let CONDOMINIUM take over – at least condo dweller pay more taxes.
I’ve been scrutinizing people’s comments in blogs and Malaysia Today. The ones who would like to see the cultural heritage of High Chaparral preserved are those who, like me, are not impressed by DEVILOPMENT & PROGRESS. Most of the Chinese commenters believe it would be good to see a CONDO where a crowded “squatter village” used to be – as long as the villagers are not cheated. If my dear father were alive, he’d probably opine that a new shopping mall looks better than a 200-year-old village. Vatudu? So many issues involved – ethics, aesthetics, and the freedom to choose between Starbucks and an old-fashioned tea-stall.
Anil,
Promises made are subject to the requirements of the state & prevailing laws…Plus you are asking the wrong people…..Koh Tsu koon & the federal government should be made responsible.
You can’t fault LGE & the present government. By simply passing the buck to the present government, they are victims too. One question : Why are these “squarters” paying TOL fees to the state government
What’s your agenda & objective? The welfare of selected few or the welfare of all Pennagites….What if Darshan, Hindraf & the gang can’t get what promised, then what????
Anil,
I am very disappointed in you haranguing the present state government as well as Penangites in general in preserving ramshackle relics that would serve no purpose to the public
I am not part of the government. However, no sane & neutral person shall be a party bend on creating publicities in the expanse of the People in general.
However, I have to agree that the present government should take up a proactive stance in studying all possible avenues including the evidences as you publish. However, I felt that the present government should be excused even if there is an oversight as proclaimed……I mean even if given the benefit of doubt
People,
The objective shall be a win win situation for all parties. The state government must not cough up too much money in order to save a ramshackle relics.
However, if you subscribe Anil’s view that a 3 months’ old government should be penalised for an oversight (yet to be proven), I have nothing to say……The choice are yours……
The present state administration was merely completing the alienation of the land to the cooperative started by the previous state government under Koh Tsu Koon. The question you should Anil, is why did the previous state administration alienate the land to the cooperative?
The Grant still does not accord any rights to the HC residents, it merely recorded it as granted to Helen Margaret Brown. Unless their names or the Trust are recorded on the grant and the quit rent was paid, their claim on HC is untenable. What about the Fed Court suit? What is it about? Nobody has reported on it?
Since this is not their land,whats the big fuss.Take the compensation and leave the place.Ask Wathy fellow to come back and challenge it. What a coward.Have no respect for him at all.and also get this Utha fellow to join BN and see what will happen to him.Damn stupid.
If the documents are legal enough for the decendents to claim rights to their land this will save everybody from hearing all kind of accusations and insults that it is all about race.
Lets hope some smart lawyers from Hindraf or Pakatan can follow up so everyone can get on with their lives!
Anil, it’s time for you to join Hindraf and fight for your RACE. You are not different from those from MIC and Hindraf, the only difference is that you are always hiding behind your keyboards in comparison with some MIC / Hindraf members who at least are bold enough to come forward. To me you are just a coward, get me, a coward.
Excuse me? I have been talking about issues rather than race. For your info, this blog has also highlighted the predicament of residents of Tanjung Bunga concerned about hill-slope development and the fishermen/tsunami victims of Penang – and they are mainly from other ethnic groups. – Anil
http://anilnetto.com/accountability/where-has-all-the-tsunami-money-gone/
I was there to hear the sort of things uttered by the lawyers. Calling Personal Assistants and Political Secretary – office boys does not make one more intellectual than others. I resent comments made by one NGO at Komtar saying “I have the right to be in the meeting because I am the NGO.” I think it is best one qualify statements before uttering such remarks. With temperature rising, don’t forget unseen hands could use this to declare an emergency for racial tension and you have no one but the Federal Government to talk to. Here, the federal govt had already said no. So where is your stand on this ? I think it is best the residents decide what is best and leave emotions at home.
Being combative like the Asst Secretary isn’t going to solve problems let alone provide solutions. The chronological of events are out. No blame game but exercising the CAT philosophy. I suggest all concerned parties do what is necessary to find a solution. Once solution can’t be found, do what is best for your community. Remember the faithful day and exercise your rights at the polling station. The days are gone where Hindraf dominates the issue. The issue is lame and the residents are suffering. I heard Darshan congratulated LGE for releasing the document. I bet he didn’t expect that to happen.
Friends one lesson learnt – if you want to be combative, please shout at the right tree. The tree here is not Pakatan. It is BN and you can always find their HQ to throw the tantrums. See whether they give a damm? After all, the Minister of Measurement is comfortably in KL and guess what – he is having his coffee and tea in an air cond room while residents’ future is ticking away. So more of the story of this – grow up. Don’t act like so-called Indran – 27 March 2008, they are responsible. Adun Rayer and MP Karpal are responsible. Excuse me, where were you for the past 3 years Lawyer Indran. MIC is no longer there for you to appear on TV? Thank goodness Lilian caught Indran playing his typical MIC wayang kulit. Grow up Indran – people’s life is at stake.
This is clear example of how Indians in this country have to put up with all these years. A sampler perhaps.
Had it been a pig abattoir in Kg. Sg Pala to be demolished would things turn out to be different. Had it been a Malay kampong? Would Lim Eng Guan speak the same language?
DAP while willing to quit Pakatan over a stinky pig hole, talks about law and reason over Kg Sg Pala. Showing true colors I see…..
Dear Anil
Lets hope the right people would look into this matter, fast. Let them go thru the documents and come up with solid justifications to revoke the agreements, which would turn High Chapparal into luxury condos.
Do you think the buyers could do something about this too, if they are concerned?
There is often quoted political statement going around blogs for some time:
Malays having problems, becomes national issue,
Chinese having problems, becomes Chinese issue, DAP, MCA, Gerakan go town with it.
Indians having problems, no issue!…
I think we can’t generalise it that way. There are many Malays etc who are also marginalised and whose problems are not highlighted, – Anil
Antares,
Ain’t your comments bothering on racism? To be fair to all parties, if we aren’t able to help in this situation, we should also try not to worsen the situation either.
It is definitely sad to lose the tranquil pastoral area of Kampung Buah Pala. So much of Penang’s natural heritage has already been lost that you become resigned to this.
It would be ideal to see Kampung Buah Pala remaining an area for cattle and dairy activity, but only those involved in cattle rearing should be allowed on the land if at all it can be saved as a heritage site.
But I have my doubts as to whether the present villagers can claim a right to the land. It would be important to consider whether there was any trust created and who the beneficiaries are? Further one also has to consider whether such a trust can go on in perpetuity.
Antares
I have read your articles before. You strike me as a reasonable person who writes well, but tarring all chinese with a single brush is a low blow what with that condescending tease that goes with it. I am chinese and I am one of those who reject having development for development sake without taking into account of the environment. I know it, I have seen it in Port Dickson and its ugly. I have also read your articles defending Anwar, while I am not a fan of him I have to say in general I agree with your analyses. Put that context into the KBP issue and we have a potentially explosive situation which may contribute to Penang falling back into the hands of BN if we are not careful. I am for solving the problems not for the problems to be dragged on and on and getting muddied in the process and no one knows what the issue is in the first place. I also wish for the present state government to handle the matter within the boundaries of the law as I do not wish to see the kind of cowboy tactics that goes into handling of public matters by the previous administration. We can all help by not adding to the fire but by finding a solution.
In this instance I blame the CM for not tackling the issue quickly and decisively.
It clearly shows the present BN govt are real culprits.This is how they haved fooled the non-malays, especially the indians for 50 years…
As such the kg buah pala’s case is another episode…
Hindraf and the PKR, and of course the present Penang govt under the leadership of mr. lim guan eng have done a very good job to takle this case so far.THEY WILL SUCCED. Teach the BN govt a very good lesson and bring all the culprits for any wrongdoings to the court of law.KOREK SAMPAI LUBANG…
My full blessing for all those who are undertaking this case to a win situation to avoid demolition of kg. buah pala and therby preserving it as a HERITAGE LAND…
Lastly to say MR. Toh Su Koon is a DUMP, WHAT TYPE OF THRUTH HAS HE TOLD THE AFFECTED VILAGERS REGARDING THE STATUS OF THE LAND WHILE HE WAS IN POWER he should explain to all malaysians NOW.I AM VERY SURE HE WONT DO IT BECAUSE HE IS A COWARD… I am very sure he is trembling from his toe to feet by now. The great MIC whom are representing the indian community under Samy Velu is tightipped about the kg. buah pala.s case in which poor indians are involvled. WHY? Will the indians in this country have faith with (MIC BN Govt)? These are 1 of the facts why there need a change in the leadership in MIC, not the PM.
DARN!! Why is this becoming a racial issue?
Dont we all know the state governance are trying to tackle the issue & solving the problem, soonest.
For the villagers , the case settled only unless States acquire the land & not compromising position. Is this fair?
There is also compensation right?
Yes, this should NOT be turned into a racial issue. The issue is one of justice and accountability. – Anil
feleaz,
Please don’t make this more of race issue than it has already been exploited by some parties! Your criticism on Anil for not jumping onto the wagon is UNCALLED for! Shame on you! Thank goodness there are still neutral bloggers like Anil. Keep up the good work, Anil.
Some of the comments by the pro chinese bloggers are racist to the core .Indian votes are needed next round so dont to be too happy to wack them now that u are in power.
Malaysian still couldn’t get their head out of the ground to see that not everything is about color of the skin. If you start to use skin color as your argument it will turn into a race issue but if you try to solve the issue than you might come up with an acceptable solution or solutions. Please hear all sides stories before we draw conclusion because we are judging based on facts that are not verified. To all you that try to benefit from this shame on you that you are trying to benefit from rakyat’s misery and fear.
Forget about the 200years history of the Kampung Buah Pala land. Just read today’s nst article, “Kpg Lorong Buah Pala Koh: Give chronology of pledges”, as far as KSK is concerned this High Chaparral issue started only after DAP made what ever promises during the last election. To him nothing had existed before that. Yet another ex minister being attacked by selective amnesia syndrome or what?
Justice and accountability?… tell the big mouth Darshan to act like a lawyer. Lashing away at the steps of Komtar doesn’t make him righteous…
Equaliser on July 10th, 2009 at 4.35pm
…Had it been a pig abattoir in Kg. Sg Pala to be demolished would things turn out to be different. Had it been a Malay kampong? Would Lim Eng Guan speak the same language?…….
If I were to be racist, my question would be, “will there ever be a pig abattoir in Kg. Sg Pala?” and “Had it been a Malay kampong, will the last bn govt ever touch the land, let alone sell the land to developer?”
So let’s not backtrack and make a racial issue out of it.
> Many of them are actually descendants of workers brought in by the Brown family, who allowed them to live on the land.
Does it make it right for them to demand these lands? That makes them no different from the UMNO Malays, who demand “ketuanan” over this country just because their ancestors sat on this land first.
Antares,
Please let me remind you that Malaysia is not a socialist state. It is a country with a capitalist form of democracy which should respect the rule-of-law and a socialist form of justice but NEVER at the expense of the rule-of-law (no matter how deserving)!
We all gripe and cuss at the undemocratic UMNO/BN fellas and their lack of adherence to the rule-of-law then we come out and make High Chaparral sound like it is the epitome of good against evil. It is not!
Whilst I truly sympathize with the residents of Kg Buah Pala and their plight, turning this into a racial issue will do nothing more than set those who dream of a fair Malaysian Malaysia back! And the only thing that those seeking a Malaysian Malaysia have to continue the fight with from a high moral ground is the championing of the rule-of-law (no matter how distorted it had become under UMNO/BN).
Until and unless we can bring back the rule-of-law and hold all those who would break the law accountable, we would all be marginalized, not to mention the Indians of Kg Buah Pala and throughout the country!
Understand that unless you are an UMNO/BN member supporting the warlords, we are all marginalized! Malays, Chinese, Indians, Ibans, Dayaks, etc. Also understand that we all want to break free from the UMNO/BN yoke but making a stand at the High Chaparral against those who are on your side is counter-productive.
The fact of the matter is somewhere along the chronology of time, a trust was broken. But remember this, for non-charitable trusts under our trust laws, a trust (no matter how good it’s original intentions were), only last “a generation and 21 years after that”! This is the law!
The fact of the matter is under current Malaysian laws, the current residents of Kg Buah Pala are squatters, occupying homes which does not have planning approval, intent of the original owners of the land notwithstanding.
Accept that the reality of the present residents of Kg Buah Pala have no ‘locus standi’ and having no legal grounds, why the harsh ultimatums? Why not the sympathy angle? Hindraf got this entirely wrong I’m afraid and sorry to say. Penangites will not let the High Chaparral be turned into another concrete mass but arrogance that they are owed a home are making those who sympathize ‘turned-off’.
Personally I sympathize with your cause but I’m reminded that I can only talk if I stand on the right side of the rule-of-law. To me this is a difficult situation without us non-residents getting involved and make things more complicated.
Dalbinder,
The above should explain why I chose not to be involved with this issue you are fighting for. In short, you are barking up the wrong tree and you are alienating the very people who are on your side but working behind the scenes to find a solution!
Think not as an Indian and more a Malaysian (with respect for the rule-of-law) and we have a country to win.
Leave the emotions aside. Emotions serves no purpose in present day Malaysian politics. It changes nothing and only bring counter emotions into play which is not needed!
Antares, I’m disappointed that you chose to see this problem with racially tinted glasses. I had expected more from a person who showed such wisdom in the past!
If only we all could step back and let the present Penang Government find the solution. Why are we so impatient towards a fresh term LGE government, when we had tolerated an unfair UMNO/BN government for 52 years?
Be fair.
Kg Buah Pala residents have gone overboard and misled by certain parties, especially Hindraf who tried to instigate their feeling, act like the ethnic hero.
Look at the way some of the committee and Chairman of the residents, Thamaraj and the secretary, if not mistaken, what they said in yesterday paper.
“HOW MUCH STATE GOVT HAVE TO PAY THE DEVELOPER IS THE STATE GOVT PROBLEM. THEY JUST WANT THE STATE GOVT TO GIVE THE LAND TO THE RESIDENTS.” C’mon, talk like State Govt or Penang’s tax payers owe villagers in Kg Buah Pala lot of money? and must give them the land.
This is arrogant and outrageous statement.
From this, clearly those so called representatives or committee are erely act ignorance. Yes, PR rep could have promised to help them settle the land issue during GE but if the residents really want to settle the issue, do you think you should act so arrogant in the entire episode? Threathening State Govt, protesting and etc.
If want State Govt to help you, why can’t sit together and work out properly with the authorities and instead using threathening language, raise racial issue.
Now, legally Kg Buah Pala village have to be demolished due to the court order. That is very clear unless the villagers file an appeal. Yet if the Chairman and the committee still act so arrogant and confrontationally, as if they still own the land. If the village really have to demolish soon, lesser peoples will shed tears on the villagers.
Look at what happen on repeal of Rent-Control Act more than a decade ago. The number of peoples suffered definitely many times more than the villagers in Kg Buah Pala, but if the law had been passed , one have to find way to deal with it. Lot of peoples have been forced to leave the rented houses which they have stayed there for few generations. At that time, no compensation at all. So, why nobody hoo haa at that time?
My view is that since all civil servants are the coop members, LGE can’t be seen to be fighting the whole administration; unless we want to see the total collapse of the Penang admin. Obviously the snr staff engineered the transfer (there is so much $ to gain for every member). So now, how do you fight every member of your staff?
Vote out DAP, but not PKR and PAS in next election to teach LGE a hard lesson.
It is shocking the way Pakatan supporters here lash out at Anil for daring to speak out agiasnt LGE and PR.
Arent you guys forgetting that it was LGE and Anwar who made the promise to save the village ? Isnt that the only critical issue here ? Whether KSK started the issue or cheated the villagers is another matter that is while important, is not an urgent one that should concern the CM now.
However looking at the declassified documents, they do not stand up to LGE’s claims and his past (and numerous ) claims about “land scams” just proved to be the case of the boy who cried wolf. So I wouldnt want to hold my breath.
NKKHOO
Eh?????? Anwar was said to have been in the kampng and promised to fight for them? So vote PAS in only. And you know something – vote Gerakan Back – you are crazy!
K, do you have any evidence shown LGE promise to save the village? If your statement just base on hearsay. Then better keep your mouth shut.
But that is besides the issue.
Even if PR govt did promise to help the villagers, do you think the action taken by Kg Buah Pala residents esp. its Chairman and committee reflect they really need State Govt to save them?
They are digging their own grave and lead the villagers going down with them as well. Am really pitying the villagers but certainly not the Chairman and committee.
Am still wondering if Chairman and committee of KG Buah Pala really want to save the village.
Yesterday, they even have the time and money to produce 20,000 dvd to show the promise made by PR during election campaign and try to discredit the state govt.
Yes, they may want to show a point here but don’t you think their priority is to work with the authorities and get back the land for the entire villagers since they have lost a fight in the court, rather than spend time to discredit the state govt? Furthermore, State govt didn’t just sit in the office and do nothing about the case. PR govt with DCMs YB Ramasamy and YB Mansor have tried to help them.
Hey, if you all remember our ex-PM also promised Penangites Monorail and Outer Ring Road during election and even announced to the entire nation.
It was also came from ex-PM own mouth.
Now, both have been scrapped. Do you see Penangites burning DVD, everyday condeming BN govt and etc.
We have to be realistic. If Kg Buah Pala’s residents expect State Govt to forge out millions to help the villagers. State Govt will not only lost the vote of 23 families and the Hindraf votes but thousands of Penang Tax Payers as well. PR govt not only responsible to residents in Kg Buah Pala alone but the rest of Penangites as well, whether it’s Malay, Indian or Chinese.
If the Chairman and committee continue with their arrogant act as if Penang Tax Payers owe them millions.
Would sadly say Kg Buah Pala’s residents do not deserve any help from the state govt.
People, is LGE doing anything to save the village or he only have one way – letter writing to PM?
make promises within means, not making promises then rule and cannot deliver.
Wisdom123,
Like I mention before to Anil, Subject to the requirement of the State of Penang. What would be you best solution of resolving the issues without forking out the money. Belong to Penang’s taxpayers.
Anil’s exposure of this document only provide an avenue for Kampung Buah Pala of contesting for the claims of the High Chapparal. However, remember the pronouncement of the judgement in favour for the developer by Federal Court.
Wisdom123,
What makes you thing that villagers would win this time even with this present of evidence. Have you forgotten Nizar’s case? If LGE proceeds with what Hindraf & Darshan’s recommendation & lost, then what next? Millions of dollars compensation….Plus imposing punitive penalties on LGE government…….I bet with my last dollar that these clowns would wiggle out of it, leaving LGE & Cos…..Facing the music
Wisdom123,
If that happens, I guarantee that LGE would lose the election……..
People,
It’s always about the money….Even the Kampung Buah Pala’s folks……Should all parties seek for win win solution??????? One can win all the time……
I say if LGE wanna caveat the land, force Numentero to build public housing, compensate those villagers with money & public housing……Get a PR exercise for LGE….
My apologies to you Wisdom123…..Wrong target…..It’s meant for those detractors who have been complaining without understanding the issues…..
Hope you accept it?
D bottom line here is alleged land fraud. D trust land was transfered in dubious manner and it was (allegedly) confirmed by Guan Eng , Ramasamy & Karpal Singh. It seems tat DAP is no better than the BN govt. By rite they shud logde report to the police and MACC and take the previous BN and the developers to task, but it is not being done. LGE & CO must remember tat they need the same people to vote for them. In short, LGE is doomed to be the shortest term CM of Penang if he dont walk his talk.
The Kampong Buah Pala villagers have been acused of being greedylah, aggressivelah, stupid lah, arrogantlah and what not by some idiots in this and some other blogs.
These villagers have been struggling for decades to get rights to their land by many appeals to BN govt in Penang. Finally, Koh Tsu Koon almost buried them in March last year. Now Lim Eng Guan is putting the final nail into the coffin.
Watch out! Remember Khir Toyo and his handling of Kg Jawa issue. Khir Toyo can say good bye to his political career now!
If race is the issue here, than Hindraf should forever reject BN for making the Indians 3rd class citizen (thats what the indians feel as translated by their 18 points demand). We the Chinese Malaysians is made 2nd class and forever we will reject BN. (Here I emphasised 1st, 2nd and 3rd class by the way political material are worded…first malay, 2nd chinese and 3rd indians). If you want a truly 1Malaysian (not 1Malaysia), than make sure to vote in PR and we the rakyat will be the ultimate king maker.
A good piece of legal research..
http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/24239/84/#jc_writeComment
See, without the hoo-haa.. the lawyers / activists representing the villagers may take such steps to make it clear the options available to the govt.. instead of protesting and threatening..
So the end result is still the same, an investigation is needed for a reversal of the transaction under the NLC.
All this screaming for and against the Penang State Government. The PR administration has apparently responded very weakly in this affair, and in attempting to capitalise on that, Gerakan has decided to jump on the bandwagon to find fault but forgets that the situation was of their own doing when the BN state government was in power. So people should make up their minds who they are supporting and why one should not legitimately criticize a political coalition that one supports.
If that political coalition is mature in it’s vision, it will look at criticism as a healthy democratic element and NOT something to be suppressed. To be in public office and to be criticized is a natural phenomena. Those in public office should NOT expect NOT to be criticized. They should realize they are NOT perfect. To silence criticism is a repressive action in line with authoritarian and despotic government. Is that what we want? Then CAT has no meaning.
Moreover, the PR has to be more mature and progressive in its thinking regarding the Kg. Buah Pala issue. If the State Government finds it legally impossible to acquire the land in question, then can it not deal with the developers in a different way? Is it unable to demand that housing be provided in the same location for those unwilling or unable to move from their present location. If this involves land that is productively being farmed, can this not be preserved for better environmental conservation? Penang has already lost so much of its agricultural land to so-called development that brings more problems socially, economically and environmentally. Do we want more of this unproductive depletion of our quality of life here in the form of pollution, haze, stress, crime and more? Thank you for your contribution to the increase in greenhouse gases, rising sea-levels, climate change and the emergence of new strange diseases like AH1N1 flu!
Thank you Anil, for talking about issues. Wonder how many people understand what that means?
Overall, it appears that neither the former nor the latter Penang State government has in fact made noticeable efforts to consult the ‘rakyat’ before imposing so-called development on them. They only seem to focus their efforts on vote collection but without concrete justification as to why we should give them our votes.
I read a news report somewhere where Lim GE mentioned he never promised the residents that he would solve this issue for them. However, as a state leader and a elected representative, he would not absolve himself from this.
He did not attend any ceramah where this topic was brought up.
It must have promised by some other PK if indeed there was any promised made.
Nowadays lies are just simply tossed about.
If they are repeated often enough, people will believe they are true.
People,
It seems you guys have forgotten Nizar’s case. Especially it’s also very very clearly cut that Nizar is still legitimate MB. Especially one renounce ex-judge commented on this case & found it to be in favour with Nizar
Nobody seems to ask if Darshan & the gangs proceed with this & lost. What’s next?
People,
Have you watched Master & Commander? Jack Aubrey, the Captain decided to sail to Galapagos Island. He had promised to his long time friend, the Surgeon, Stve Mataurin that Steve can explore the island with his heart content. However, then came the revelation that the Privateer, Acheron has inflicted terror on English Whalers by taking over the ship & its precious goods.Jack Aubrey decided to proceed the manoeuvres without setting foot on Galapagos Islands. That infuriated Steve.
Steve mentioned about the broken promise by Jack Aubrey. Jack responded that promises are subject to requirement of the service. Steve mention that to pursue Acheron, one need to circumvent the long thin Island, suggesting that he can walk briskly across. But Jack insisted against……
Is Jack a tyranty? Is Jack stubborn? Not listening to reasons…..Especially to a certain extent Steve is true in his arguments
People,
It’s not easy being the state government where the federal government is from the opposite party. Hence, one got to be careful of all actions taken. One can’t afford to make mistake. At times, one got to take colateral damage
Some Kampung Buah pala folks are too stubborn to accept any other solutions….Hence, it’s difficult to help them in helping themselves.
Glancing at the document. Seemingly good idea. However, one got to very pragmatic when comes to situation. At times, High Chapparal folks got to go means got to go…..
Perhaps, it’s a blessing in disguise
Anil,
Remember the old testament where some Isrealites moaning over what good they would have become if they live in Egypt.
But then, after all hardship, Isrealites finally got a better….A Land flowing with milk & honey
Sometimes, one has to let go…..Don’t you think!
kakipulau
Critise is all talk and NATO. In the end is no action. What solution you are offering to the villagers?
You are just another Green like Brown of Green party of australia. They can critise because they are not the the government and does not want to be in the government. If you are talk about greenhouse, then U should talk to UMNO – the Federal Government.
As for development, you should objects to the DA plans when the developers wanted to built highrise and not when the plans are already approved.
The sad thing here is that LGE and his incompetent exco are far more concerned about absolving themselves of blame than actually solve the problem.
Despite all the talk, the solution he offered the villagers is exactly the same as what KTK did. He just telling them “Take the money and get out of the way”.
I am very sure that, based on LGE’s track record, he would have done exactly the same as KTK’s govt had the issue cropped out during his tenure. Pakatan would be telling the villagers that they must make way for development and not to listen to BN. Unfortunately, Hindraf is right LGE and Pakatan are margainalizing the villagers as they are Indians.
This is the 1st critical test for LGE and he has failed miserably.
Again, this issue only strengthens the feeling among Indian community is that Pakatan and DAP has betrayed the community after benefitting from their votes in GE 12.
Well, we will teach you a lesson in GE13.
Mr.Anil,
Thanks a lot for highlighting the background of the Kg.Buah Pala land issue regards to its title and ownership. Why are nobody talking about the hijack of housing trust? Why LGE government endorsed the sale initiated by the previous BN government? DAP government is practicing double standard when come to meet indian issues. I agree with HINDRAF views on this issue. Dont blame HINFRAF and find fault with them. DAP and LGE make use of HINDRAF (Makkal Sakthi) only
to woo Indian votes to win the election and nothing more. Let us see him and his government in near futue 13 GE.Long live Makkal Sakthi and Indians.
Ever heard of that priority which says “first things first?
Or, that other one which says “stupid is as stupid does”?
You can choose the destination to good government or continue with more of the same farce.
That choice and destination is entirely up to YOU as the wise citizens who can choose to apply your focus and power based on those two sayings.
So which one is it going to be I wonder that will impact upon and determine what happens in that GE13. Smile.
“Imagine Power To The People” John Lennon.
All the KTK apologists here should reflect on the fact that their master does not even have the decency to provide an accountability to the people of Penang in respect of the many land scams.
Shame! Shame! Shame!