Comment posted CM: Penang can’t afford to acquire High Chaparral land by lightbow.
Previous state govt sold so cheap. MACC should investigate this land deal and the Developer should think twice before pursuing this land scam. If BN want to be in the clean state, they should come forward and return the money back to the rakyat. Have they?
Teng Hock Nan even worse, calling Gerakan members not to say anything involving this problem. If Gerakan are sincere and religioulsy bound, they should come out and explain this deal . 3 million i think many of us can afford to buy also . This land deal is a rape of Penang economy.
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- Penang should be run on their own now … Make their own rules and built a new city . Im sure many investors will go to penang for holidays like Pattaya or Bali….
- If Koh Tsu Koon sell the land at 3million to a developer , who are these developers ? We need to get to the bottom of things , check out who were the directors involve ? 3 million for big land?
Is he a good businessman ? Why that time nobody stand up or queries this deal?
If it’s cover up without going through any protocol than Koh Tsu Koon must be held up and be investigate for some hidden agendas. he has to explain why is he selling at this price. What is he thinking? - The question is .. are Penangites willing to compensate the money for the fault and creation by the previous state govt? answer is NO WAY!
The Federal Govt not helping to solve Penang problem, why should the State Govt help the previous state govt problem.
This money belongs to the Penangites.
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sharath, you must be cold to say that . This guy story is so sad compare to Kugan but don’t said that the world does not care his side of stories , if nobody care about Kugan than DAP will not lose this guy who also fighting for justice and he died. You only see things at micro point when many of the young DAP chaps are fighting for Kugan indirect manner. If you are any help, join the party and (its struggle). Please look at the history of ICAC hong kong when many of the young guys were sacrificed like a lamb when the Police strike back.What do u mean not to accuse MACC unless you are too dumb to know that part of the edgy interrogation… I wish you read more books before you make such statement because there are things in life that don’t need a smart guy to know. Taking such a long time to investigate is a shame to the police force as they are known to be quick to arrest criminal at one time. look at the way they are handling this matter? they can even make a percentage figure out of the investigation – 60% solved.
We should be able to know who was in the building at this wee hours and who investigated him, do we know who?
- The house that Khir Toyo bought…
I believe Khir Toyo that his house cost 4 million. Any buyers for such a good market price? Many will jump to buy his house as some of the KLCC condo also already cost 2-3 million. This is worth buying. Khir toyo please sell your house as claimed as many investor are ready to buy up your mansion for this price. - Nusmetro Ventures: The Balik Pulau connection
17. And to all those unkind people out there now calling the KBP villagers “greedy” and “squatters”: I hope you have the good conscience to feel suitably ashamed at your ignorance. It is sometimes said that there, but for the Grace of God, go you and it might also help to remember that even after over 2008 years and the torture and killing of the best human ideal/exemplar, human ignorance and human cruelty still kills more human beings than any disease or pathogen or acts of God do.I think the evil Hindraf was playing the cruel tune and try to empathy the villagers for a course . The people was misled and many just don’t like the Hindraf , its not the squatters. The KBP leader head should not involve Hindraf in the first place, they should have ask LGE for solution.
- Guan Eng warns developer not to play hard ball
Stupied BN goons keep bombarding LGE for nothing when their own Najib and muhiyiddin also does not look clever at all in stirring the vessel out of economic crisis. look at BN control states, can you remember any of it ?? none of the states look good as compare to Penang. why focus everything in Penang, hey they forget about Nation duty ? High Chapparal issue does not need to be in the mainstream news anyway…. look at how our Malaysian politics , this matter is more important than the livelihood of the whole nation. Check your petronas money first , big swindling is happening . - Guan Eng warns developer not to play hard ball
nkkhoo u make more comments after one and another than anyone else and u just don’t have a short and intelligence statement to make. You talk like a Parrot and nothing clever coming out from you.U only condemning LGE but you don’t realize that your party BN are involve in the land deal and developer (also seems to be) theirs. Why not you tell your beloved party to compensate the indians RM 300K per family instead. Don’t you want the solution in the first place? why look at LGE when most penangites don’t agree to buy land that was sold so cheap in the beginning.
NKkhoo, r u twister? u sound like you are going to heaven in a first class ticket. grow up!
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I think the CM is not pointing specifically to the villagers but rather the people working behind it. He didn’t say it is ‘the villagers’. Feel I should point this out because I am the one who took the video and there was no mention of ‘the villagers’ but instead, he gave a general statement. The villagers are tensed as it is so it is unkind to blame them solely for not being able to discern. There are so many parties working behind this, the legal guys, the politicians, the activists etc and not only the villagers.
Anil,
Can the Penang govt. acquire the land by force without paying compensation to the owners as Uthayakumar claimed?
I think Anil should put up the official press release in Lim Kit Siang’s website. The press conference is too brief. Pls consider doing so for a clearer picture.
The question is .. are Penangites willing to compensate the money for the fault and creation by the previous state govt? answer is NO WAY!
The Federal Govt not helping to solve Penang problem, why should the State Govt help the previous state govt problem.
This money belongs to the Penangites.
Ok, Guan Eng, we get the picture. Don’t be so cheong hee about friends and enemies.
So, to buy the land back. Now let’s see. If swamp land was worth that much in the nineties, not forgetting inflation…. where’s the calculator, Anil?
Actually, it was sold in 2005 for just RM3.2 million. – Anil
Anil
U keep harping that the land is sold in 2005 for a few million cheap bucks. However, u NEVER EVER specify that that few million cheap bucks is an undervalue transaction. Under the law, the compensation payable is on MARKET VALUE. Hence, do not misled others into thinking its anything less than RM10 million.
Based on market value, PERSONALLY (and without incurring any legal obligatons on my side) I estimate the value of 6.5 arce of prime land anything between RM30 million to RM100 million (although LGE dun even dare to estimate).
We hope that the Hindraf leaders will not sell their souls to BeEnd. Have they ever do some researches into this issue? Why aims the gun at YAB LGE and company, when this mess was created by the backdoor listed minister and company in 2007? The Hindraf leaders should go after the backdoor listed minister instead of getting the wrong person (YAB LGE). We urge the Hindraf leaders to stay cool and think properly over this issue over and over again.
Previous state govt sold so cheap. MACC should investigate this land deal and the Developer should think twice before pursuing this land scam. If BN want to be in the clean state, they should come forward and return the money back to the rakyat. Have they?
Teng Hock Nan even worse, calling Gerakan members not to say anything involving this problem. If Gerakan are sincere and religioulsy bound, they should come out and explain this deal . 3 million i think many of us can afford to buy also . This land deal is a rape of Penang economy.
Where is Koh Tsu Khoon and Teng Chang Kim? They should be hauled up to explain why the land was transferred to a private company when the history of the land has been all the while known to be inhabited by squatters?
why blame the present govt as it was koh tsu koon who sold the land dirt cheap. Hindraf should not expect all penangites to pay for just one community. it will only set a precedent for other community to threaten the govt.
Exactly, Anil, 3.2 million. My example was with reference to the rumours of how much was paid for the swamp land which KLIA is built on.
The recurring theme seems to be selling for a pittance and buying at a king’s ransom with our money. With judgement in hand, maybe the hope is to force a buy back on the state government and make a tidy profit without lifting a finger, since the controversy is unlikely to attract any takeover interests.
As we are all well aware, anything is possible in this country, and for 3.2 million, instead of proceeding with what was originally planned, putting the present state government in a quandry might seem just as desirable to some.
Why does LGE always have a sarcastic slant to his speeches and statements? Always giving that smile that mocks. And always blaming BN. We know he’s right in blaming BN, but enough already. Time to fix what’s broken, not keep pointing fingers. He can’t even enforce our Penang traffic laws after one-and-half years in office. I’m starting to think that I’ve made a bad call in voting for DAP if this is the kind of answers and governance we get.
Yes, very cheong hey in repeating ‘friends and enemies’. Only dumb people who think they are smart does that. Smart people say it once.
“KB on June 30th, 2009 at 11.45am
Anil,
Can the Penang govt. acquire the land by force without paying compensation to the owners as Uthayakumar claimed?”
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Can any government therefore come and take away your land by force without paying compensation? Are you suggesting Penang gov to do just that?
Whoops, quandary.
Personnally I think Hindraf had been asking for too much.They should not hold the PR for ransom.Go ahead and vote for BN and let’s see would it get any better next general election.
If Koh Tsu Koon sell the land at 3million to a developer , who are these developers ? We need to get to the bottom of things , check out who were the directors involve ? 3 million for big land?
Is he a good businessman ? Why that time nobody stand up or queries this deal?
If it’s cover up without going through any protocol than Koh Tsu Koon must be held up and be investigate for some hidden agendas. he has to explain why is he selling at this price. What is he thinking?
Wat to do……..more & more to dig on BN’s past bad & mistakes. One after another. Good for him to be sacarstic & annouce it to the public. Please dont hide..reveal. there are many more rakyat still unaware of this concequences & still blame PR playing blame game.
just like the Hindraf , thinking the land scam can be resolved overnight. R they out of thier mind, pointing finger at LGE. Go demonstrate at Gerakan office or the UMNO’s MIC. Best Najib’s.
LGE can never stop reveal all this FAULTS, as there are so much more to reveal on the past BN/UMNO/Gerakan. It is thier action, that Penanghites suffer losses. PLEASE LGE…do keep us update with more.
Perakians envy you. We now have an MB who BOAST BIG, talk BIG, spit more. Gloomy years ahead for Perakians.
sick of LGE sarcasm
Anil,
Please highlight what would be the estimated amount to pay NOW if Penang Govt is to acquire the land. Don’t harp on the previous RM3.2 million. Also, do highlight what would be the worst case scenario if the Penang Govt taking the step as suggested by Hindraf.
Can any government therefore come and take away your land by force without paying compensation?
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Yes. The current government can do that. (Stronger if you control Federal government). They can come out with a law in parliament to nationalize the asset.
But do that at their owns peril, because it is as good as saying bye-bye to the future FDI. I won’t be surprised if they do that, many foreign factory will start to pack their bag and head towards other country.
As said, we welcome friends – real friends that understand the issues. Not one who goes around with a mobile phone, writing seditious remarks … for this I give top marks to LGE. He prevails
Yes, i agree, why not haul out the Gerakan heads – Dr Koh, Dr Teng, etc, etc and question them abt the ISSUE. Yes, vote them back to the office in the next GE and see more cases like these to happen.
I feel it is most unfair that some people just put all the blame on LGE as if he is the one who causes all the mess.
Imagine i “****” and i expect u to wipe my bottom, how abt that?
From what i see, not all the Penang people wanted the Pg govt to fork out millions of Ringgit to buy back the land ???
That is why LGE and his current state gov and all other PR held states should never stop digging out all the wrong doings of the past done by BN.
This is so that while the current gov try their level best to undo the wrongs, the line must be drawn clearly otherwise BN or Hindraf (as in this case) will take the opportunity to put the blame on current state gov which has nothing to do with it in the first place.
The same piece of land today will easily cost RM58million.
I don’t think the state government can afford this.
If the voters had kicked out Dr Koh’s administration in 2004, I don’t believe this cheap land sale would have materialised.
Land, once sold, cannot be taken back without just, market price compensation and the due process of law.
I don’t want the state government to be an arrogant tyrant.
Aiyoo people….
The land was sold to the Penang senior government officers cooperative and would be developed by an UMNO linked company.
KB on June 30th, 2009 at 11.45am
Anil,
Can the Penang govt. acquire the land by force without paying compensation to the owners as Uthayakumar claimed?
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Respect the rule of laws, but rule by your own laws.
LGE shall be more vocal on this issue, not simply pointing fingers to other people again.
Does state government can reverse the ex-state government decision under the framework of laws?
If NO, LGE please explain the reasons to rakyats.
Correction: Respect the rule of laws, not rule by your own laws.
HINDRAF!! What are they??? Threats??? You think the people owe you?? Have some sense or whether they have the brains.Calling yourself as malaysian but always mentioning INDIANS as your origin.
All these unanswered land deals lead back to the doorstep of Koh Tsu Koon who has not even seen fit to utter a word on this.
He was, after all, the CM when all this took place.
Gerakan members should reflect on their choice of leaders.
LGE should learn how to say things like professionals do. He can demonstrate sarcasms but in subtle forms and not behave like the Bee-N hooligans. He should also check his body language. Don’t get overboard. Find the killer statement and say it no more than twice. The first time is to hit the nail on its head and the repeat is for emphasis. “Differentiating friends from enemies and truth from lies” is a good killer statement. Saying it over and over again dilutes the impact. After one and a half years he should have polished such oratory skills. Work on it, LGE – it’s never too late. At least you are still better than a lot of those Bee-N goons. But don’t bask in glory as you are the one-eyed Jack in the kingdom of the blind.
Respect the Rule of Law.
Yes, CM LGE, you are absolutely right there.
So what is stopping you?
In the legal rulebook, FRAUD is clearly against the Rule of Law.
Under the Housing Act 1950 the land that is KBP was land held in trust for the villagers/residents of that village. The Federal Government took over the role of trustee at independence and as legal trustee, it had no right to dispose the land without first getting the consent of the beneficiaries under that trust, i.e. the villagers of KBP.
So shouldn’t the Penang state government be supporting the villagers in a legal suit against the original Alliance/BN Federal Government trustee for criminal breach of its trusteeship duties?
And the way I see it, leadership is different from friendship. Leadership is about knowing right from wrong and having the courage to do the right thing, no matter what, and irrespective of any existant ties of friendship.
“Imagine Power To The People” John Lennon.
Penang should be run on their own now … Make their own rules and built a new city . Im sure many investors will go to penang for holidays like Pattaya or Bali….
the state government can allocate low cost house for the families? How many families are living in each house? how many low cost houses for the 200k that compensate by developer?
low cost house? the problem is.. there’s no land’s left.
Till today we have not seen the trust document by the Brown family. Since Waytha is in UK have he tried to trace the Brown family? All i have seen is we are talking about something that seems do not exist i.e. the trust document. If at all it exist then the villagers would have won the case in the courts. As for holding DAP for the promises they made during the election, has the BN delivered all the promises they made for the last 52 years? Just look at HINDRAF during the rally promises every Indian to receive USD 1 million till today there has not been any progress (only progress is more indian party and NGO is being formed), then Udayakumar claimed that he was ill treated in Kamunting, how could a person who has hairline fracture on four of his toes walk? The same guy requested for asylum status from the UK government by claiming that Malaysian government is trying to kill him couple of years back and he was deported back to malaysia since the UK government were not convinced then. Now he is off to UK to seek for treatment wherelse the people who he intigated to go against LGE are left behind. All of us have work hard to put a roof over our family and the KG Buah Pala folks are still trying to take a free ride on their so call forefathers squater land for another century. Similar fate have befallen hundreds of indian family when the estates that they have been working for generations were sold off during the 80′s with little or no compensation. i consider these folks are very lucky that they are being offered compensation which by any standard is quite substantial. So stop pushing your luck. For everyones information Tamilians heritage is not some cow herders… but are great builders, linguist and one of the earliest civilisation so read your history properly before you claim something that is not true.