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		<title>By: iron</title>
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		<dc:creator>iron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kah Seng, you are right.

DAP promised us local council election and now they deny us the right.

And they blame the Fed for it.

With local council election no one, not even Lim Guan Eng, can push the PICC like they are doing.

And btw, the newspaper says (today) that the state gomen has met with a delegation from some business group to discuss the PICC, however everything was done closed-door style.

Can you find out what they have discussed, Kah Seng?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kah Seng, you are right.</p>
<p>DAP promised us local council election and now they deny us the right.</p>
<p>And they blame the Fed for it.</p>
<p>With local council election no one, not even Lim Guan Eng, can push the PICC like they are doing.</p>
<p>And btw, the newspaper says (today) that the state gomen has met with a delegation from some business group to discuss the PICC, however everything was done closed-door style.</p>
<p>Can you find out what they have discussed, Kah Seng?
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		<title>By: K</title>
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		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kah seng

You are right. I may also add that by not having local council elections, Pakatan also able to use the lucrative positions to reward its supporters and also as a channel to (allegedly) distibute contracts and concessions to its supporters and cronies.

I must say that they have learnt fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kah seng</p>
<p>You are right. I may also add that by not having local council elections, Pakatan also able to use the lucrative positions to reward its supporters and also as a channel to (allegedly) distibute contracts and concessions to its supporters and cronies.</p>
<p>I must say that they have learnt fast.
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		<title>By: Anthony Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iron,

I am not being personal but making a general statement using “SOME OF YOU without targeting any individual as there were a few people who mentioned the architect’s name and alleged they are inexperience or not qualified etc. 

When a person zeroed in on any particular name or person that means, that is the target you want to hit, right?

How can one quantify a person not qualify to do a job when it is very subjective? I have come to a general conclusion after going through what was posted in blogs for examples like Anil&#039;s, themalaysiainsider.com,, justice4otk etc.
 
By using such excuses to deprive the general public an access to a new public facility that have been long overdue is simply not fair.

If you feel that I am personally attacking you, it is the case of “siapa makan chili berasa pedas”. You have reach the point that you have enough been out pointed and you should not don’t simply tell me to “SHUT UP” and I feel that you ARE NOW GETTING PERSONAL!

You can say what you want but don’t mislead people to believe what you write in Anil&#039;s blog are gospel truth and you are the master of all trade.

If you want to attack people’s comments in other people’s blog then you are open to counter attack unless you have your own blog where people can only read what you want cough out about your unhappiness against the government, your rivals, bloggers etc without allowing people to comment on your blog, then that is your right. 

Anyway, you still have not answered some of my questions that I have countered what you have posted in Anil’s blog. Are you trying to throw smoke bombs to redirect the attention of the readers of Anil’s blog and by asking me to “SHUT UP”?

Lets be fair and be more understanding, sometimes when a project is initiated will make you happy but not others and vice versa.In this world it is filled with problems and we need to find the solutions to the problems not for individual but for the masses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iron,</p>
<p>I am not being personal but making a general statement using “SOME OF YOU without targeting any individual as there were a few people who mentioned the architect’s name and alleged they are inexperience or not qualified etc. </p>
<p>When a person zeroed in on any particular name or person that means, that is the target you want to hit, right?</p>
<p>How can one quantify a person not qualify to do a job when it is very subjective? I have come to a general conclusion after going through what was posted in blogs for examples like Anil&#8217;s, themalaysiainsider.com,, justice4otk etc.</p>
<p>By using such excuses to deprive the general public an access to a new public facility that have been long overdue is simply not fair.</p>
<p>If you feel that I am personally attacking you, it is the case of “siapa makan chili berasa pedas”. You have reach the point that you have enough been out pointed and you should not don’t simply tell me to “SHUT UP” and I feel that you ARE NOW GETTING PERSONAL!</p>
<p>You can say what you want but don’t mislead people to believe what you write in Anil&#8217;s blog are gospel truth and you are the master of all trade.</p>
<p>If you want to attack people’s comments in other people’s blog then you are open to counter attack unless you have your own blog where people can only read what you want cough out about your unhappiness against the government, your rivals, bloggers etc without allowing people to comment on your blog, then that is your right. </p>
<p>Anyway, you still have not answered some of my questions that I have countered what you have posted in Anil’s blog. Are you trying to throw smoke bombs to redirect the attention of the readers of Anil’s blog and by asking me to “SHUT UP”?</p>
<p>Lets be fair and be more understanding, sometimes when a project is initiated will make you happy but not others and vice versa.In this world it is filled with problems and we need to find the solutions to the problems not for individual but for the masses.
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		<title>By: Kah Seng</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kah Seng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can the Penang govt direct MPPP to build PICC?

Yes, by fiat, because we don&#039;t have local election!

The ability to control local councils and their revenues is perhaps the biggest reason why DAP, PKR, and PAS are not pushing hard for local election.

That&#039;s why we need local elections - to strip the state government of too much power, and keep them our humble servants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can the Penang govt direct MPPP to build PICC?</p>
<p>Yes, by fiat, because we don&#8217;t have local election!</p>
<p>The ability to control local councils and their revenues is perhaps the biggest reason why DAP, PKR, and PAS are not pushing hard for local election.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why we need local elections &#8211; to strip the state government of too much power, and keep them our humble servants.
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		<title>By: iron</title>
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		<dc:creator>iron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 05:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless you can prove that we have all become architects overnight, please stop your senseless and baseless libeling that we oppose the PICC because of we don&#039;t get business, Anthony Tan.

If you ran out of sensible arguments you can shut up. Personal attack and insinuation on our motives won&#039;t make you a better person.

But then, what else can you do, Anthony Tan, other than personal attacks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless you can prove that we have all become architects overnight, please stop your senseless and baseless libeling that we oppose the PICC because of we don&#8217;t get business, Anthony Tan.</p>
<p>If you ran out of sensible arguments you can shut up. Personal attack and insinuation on our motives won&#8217;t make you a better person.</p>
<p>But then, what else can you do, Anthony Tan, other than personal attacks?
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		<title>By: Anthony Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iron, are you confusing yourself? 

At one point you are saying LGE is forcing MPPP to spend RM50 million on PICC is a waste of funds and it is going to be another white elephant.

Now you give some suggestions for MPPP to build something to your personal expectation of an international five stars convention/exhibition centre which you had earlier claimed and do have any confidence it will succeed as there is no market for such facilities for even a small one. 

Can you have a clear mind which direction you are heading to?

Please bear in mind with a RM50 million for PICC,  you are like asking for a BMW 7 series to be delivered when we have a budget for a Myvi.

By the way, PISA is sitting on 25.74 acres site and built at the cost of RM110 million at that time. It is now privatised to Penevents with its BOARD OF DIRECTORS, Chairman Dato&#039; Syed Mohd Bin Syed Murtaza, Managing Director/CEO Mr. Ong Ban Seang formally from PDC manager for tourism Promotion and Executive Director Mr. Wong Mun Hoe former Assemblyman from Gerakan. For more information on Penevents logon: http://www.penevents.com.my

Does anyone of you have any idea to share with us what is annual income (ROI) of PISA with the RM110 million investment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iron, are you confusing yourself? </p>
<p>At one point you are saying LGE is forcing MPPP to spend RM50 million on PICC is a waste of funds and it is going to be another white elephant.</p>
<p>Now you give some suggestions for MPPP to build something to your personal expectation of an international five stars convention/exhibition centre which you had earlier claimed and do have any confidence it will succeed as there is no market for such facilities for even a small one. </p>
<p>Can you have a clear mind which direction you are heading to?</p>
<p>Please bear in mind with a RM50 million for PICC,  you are like asking for a BMW 7 series to be delivered when we have a budget for a Myvi.</p>
<p>By the way, PISA is sitting on 25.74 acres site and built at the cost of RM110 million at that time. It is now privatised to Penevents with its BOARD OF DIRECTORS, Chairman Dato&#8217; Syed Mohd Bin Syed Murtaza, Managing Director/CEO Mr. Ong Ban Seang formally from PDC manager for tourism Promotion and Executive Director Mr. Wong Mun Hoe former Assemblyman from Gerakan. For more information on Penevents logon: <a href="http://www.penevents.com.my" rel="nofollow">http://www.penevents.com.my</a></p>
<p>Does anyone of you have any idea to share with us what is annual income (ROI) of PISA with the RM110 million investment?
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		<title>By: Anthony Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After doing some background search on the unhappiness of some people on the PICC project on why some of you did not like to see the PICC to take off is because some of you don’t like the appointed architect company for your own reasons. 

If it is business rivalry, than one has to understand the works of nature that sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. Worst still in Malaysia, cronyisms are order of the day and different political parties have their own sets of cronies.

As in this PICC project, many had claimed cronyisms is in play and the project been given out without tender but no one has any evidence to support such claims. You have any evidence, please make a report to MACC and the Police who are ever ready to nail LGE, so what are you all waiting for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After doing some background search on the unhappiness of some people on the PICC project on why some of you did not like to see the PICC to take off is because some of you don’t like the appointed architect company for your own reasons. </p>
<p>If it is business rivalry, than one has to understand the works of nature that sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. Worst still in Malaysia, cronyisms are order of the day and different political parties have their own sets of cronies.</p>
<p>As in this PICC project, many had claimed cronyisms is in play and the project been given out without tender but no one has any evidence to support such claims. You have any evidence, please make a report to MACC and the Police who are ever ready to nail LGE, so what are you all waiting for?
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		<title>By: iron</title>
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		<dc:creator>iron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 08:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulation, Anil !

One &quot;enemy&quot; blog is carrying your article !

http://justice4otk.blogspot.com/2010/01/penang-under-lim-guan-eng-from-anil.html

Looks like Lim Guan Eng has shot himself in the foot really bad this time. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulation, Anil !</p>
<p>One &#8220;enemy&#8221; blog is carrying your article !</p>
<p><a href="http://justice4otk.blogspot.com/2010/01/penang-under-lim-guan-eng-from-anil.html" rel="nofollow">http://justice4otk.blogspot.com/2010/01/penang-under-lim-guan-eng-from-anil.html</a></p>
<p>Looks like Lim Guan Eng has shot himself in the foot really bad this time. <img src='http://anilnetto.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: iron</title>
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		<dc:creator>iron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LGE is no Mahathir. As much as I dislike that old (man), I still to admit that Mahathir is smart.

Lim Guan Eng? So sorry.

No one can understand why Lim Guan Eng appoint an architect who has no prior experience on Exhibition Center to design PICC.

One needs to understand that a Convention Center is not the same as a warehouse.

A warehouse is a building with four walls, with a loading bay.

A Convention / Exhibition center is much MUCH more than a warehouse. One has to have some idea what a convention center is used for to appreciate the complication in designing such a building.

And it is not the building itself.

The surrounding area must also offer supportive function in order to make the convention center a success.

A convention center must situated in an area where it is pedestrian friendly. Which means, the convention goers has the option to walk into the Convention center from hotels nearby.

There must also be a lot of parking places where convention goers can park their cars.

Kitchen area within the convention center must also be adequate, as well as green rooms, security conduits for VVIP visitors, et cetera.

The design by that architect chosen by Lim Guan Eng is simply not up to par.

The convention center itself is too small.

And the surrounding area for PISA simply doesn&#039;t provide enough supportive amenities to make the convention center a success.

Sorry, LGE, you have failed miserably in this PICC thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LGE is no Mahathir. As much as I dislike that old (man), I still to admit that Mahathir is smart.</p>
<p>Lim Guan Eng? So sorry.</p>
<p>No one can understand why Lim Guan Eng appoint an architect who has no prior experience on Exhibition Center to design PICC.</p>
<p>One needs to understand that a Convention Center is not the same as a warehouse.</p>
<p>A warehouse is a building with four walls, with a loading bay.</p>
<p>A Convention / Exhibition center is much MUCH more than a warehouse. One has to have some idea what a convention center is used for to appreciate the complication in designing such a building.</p>
<p>And it is not the building itself.</p>
<p>The surrounding area must also offer supportive function in order to make the convention center a success.</p>
<p>A convention center must situated in an area where it is pedestrian friendly. Which means, the convention goers has the option to walk into the Convention center from hotels nearby.</p>
<p>There must also be a lot of parking places where convention goers can park their cars.</p>
<p>Kitchen area within the convention center must also be adequate, as well as green rooms, security conduits for VVIP visitors, et cetera.</p>
<p>The design by that architect chosen by Lim Guan Eng is simply not up to par.</p>
<p>The convention center itself is too small.</p>
<p>And the surrounding area for PISA simply doesn&#8217;t provide enough supportive amenities to make the convention center a success.</p>
<p>Sorry, LGE, you have failed miserably in this PICC thing.
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		<title>By: Anthony Tan</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iron,

Have you forgotten the third option? You threw me the challenge and I am waiting for your answer.

Don&#039;t continue to be negative, give some constructive solution to the problem. LGE is not to satisfy you alone and you must remember you were not the only one that put him there as CM. LGE has to satisfy all other Penangites that had voted him in, that includes me.

Please wait and let see if there are enough support to STOP the PICC. If there is, LGE has no choice but to stop the project or he will face the consequences of being kick out of Penang. 

So why not you go out and secure enough numbers to stop the project that you hated so much and be heard loud and clear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iron,</p>
<p>Have you forgotten the third option? You threw me the challenge and I am waiting for your answer.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t continue to be negative, give some constructive solution to the problem. LGE is not to satisfy you alone and you must remember you were not the only one that put him there as CM. LGE has to satisfy all other Penangites that had voted him in, that includes me.</p>
<p>Please wait and let see if there are enough support to STOP the PICC. If there is, LGE has no choice but to stop the project or he will face the consequences of being kick out of Penang. </p>
<p>So why not you go out and secure enough numbers to stop the project that you hated so much and be heard loud and clear?
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